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RIGHT DECISION HAS BEEN MADE

holly100 Avatar
8y, 1w agoPosted 8 years, 1 week ago
Official sacked over Baby P case

Baby P died after suffering months of abuse
An independent report into the Baby P case has issued a "damning" and "devastating" verdict, Children's Secretary Ed Balls said.

Sharon Shoesmith, head of children's services at Haringey Council, has been removed from her post, he confirmed.
Haringey Council leader, George Meehan, and cabinet member for children and young people, Liz Santry, resigned ahead of the report.
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8y, 1w agoPosted 8 years, 1 week ago
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#2
Maybe now there will be people who actually "care" working in Harringey.
#3
glad to see some with getting done for a change !
#4
That'll help get in more staff..................brb my my goats got away...........

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#5
I wonder how much these people knew about this case before it came to a sad end?
#6
Predikuesi
Maybe now there will be people who actually "care" working in Harringey.



lets hope so predi - they try too much being ' politically correct ' in all departments instead of getting the job done - - regardless of their race colour - gender etc

lets put the kids first
#7
now the scum that did it should be put in with the other inmates to get their punishment
#8
While the council were obviously negligent in doing their job, at the end of the day its the mother who was ultimately to blame and her two companions. The focus seems to have shifted in the media away from her and onto the council.
#9
melissa75
While the council were obviously negligent in doing their job, at the end of the day its the mother who was ultimately to blame and her two companions. The focus seems to have shifted in the media away from her and onto the council.


very true!
#10
I don't quite understand as she wasn't even charged with murder was she?
#11
It won't make any lasting difference, but at least the public have someone else they can direct their ill informed hatred at.
#12
melissa75
While the council were obviously negligent in doing their job, at the end of the day its the mother who was ultimately to blame and her two companions. The focus seems to have shifted in the media away from her and onto the council.


this was a tricky case for police - they couldnt make a murder charge as they dont know who actually murdered - poor love died of injuries inflicted on him - this is why it was a joint charge -

the judge has to give them life sentences - and serve them

as for saying social services were obviously negligent -

this baby would be alive today if an ignorant highly paid official had listened to an informed social worker and the police

i will repeat - the baby would have been in an adoptive or foster home - alive - if they had took notice

the ultimate ones to blame are the 3 monsters in jail -
#13
holly100
this was a tricky case for police - they couldnt make a murder charge as they dont know who actually murdered - poor love died of injuries inflicted on him - this is why it was a joint charge -

the judge has to give them life sentences - and serve them

as for saying social services were obviously negligent -

this baby would be alive today if an ignorant highly paid official had listened to an informed social worker and the police

i will repeat - the baby would have been in an adoptive or foster home - alive - if they had took notice

the ultimate ones to blame are the 3 monsters in jail -


well said i truly believe everyone knows that the mother is ultimately to blame but these people are put in place to save the children whose parents dont give a fig .as this mother was not very protective or maternal towards the little one was she and so the service failed him.right up to the end .even 60 visits was not enough so maybe we should have them all retrained so they will know what to look for
#14
Hi, not really read in to this case. But why do people refer to him as baby P and not is name?
#15
melissa75
While the council were obviously negligent in doing their job, at the end of the day its the mother who was ultimately to blame and her two companions. The focus seems to have shifted in the media away from her and onto the council.


First sensible post I've seen on here regards this topic.

People are so quick to jump on the media's interpretation of events, enshrining it as gospel. No one on here can say that the correct decision has been made or otherwise, without being presented with the true facts, and certainly not what is published in most of the tabloid media.

For me, this whole thing stinks of a scapegoat scenario - someone aside from the perpetrators seemingly must be ultimately responsible - it's the world we live in unfortunately.
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Right decision has not been made.

Another enquiry, more rules.

Won't change anything, except nobody in their right mind would want to be a child social worker, so I predict acute shortage very soon....and then where will that leave vulnerable children on the register?

Unless you employ private dectectives for all families on child protection, to check up on everything they tell you, these things will happen. Neither the police or social workers can do this.

It might come as a shock to some people but there are some downright evil, manipulative parents out there. No legislation or rules will ever be able to stop child murder taking place.

So the only answer is, any child that is considered at risk, must be removed. Lets abolish child protection, just have instant action.

Now where do the kids go to...foster parents?

Another fact, acute shortage of foster parents.

There is no big queue of nice people to take these children.

That is why councils spend millions advertising for foster parents and putting pics of kids in papers. I have been a foster parent for over 10 years and I have heard too many horror stories. I have also seen many children returned to families because issues have been dealt with.

Social workers are dedicated professionals and it is a thankless task, even more so now.
#17
iglimpse - repped - good post.

I think what many people on here feel is needed is CCTV in every household.
#18
Interesting article in the Guardian - well done Sun readers - you knew how to make a mess of it.

Reforms have been imposed at the expense of protecting children
The overhaul of children's services that followed the Victoria Climbié case made child protection work even harder, says Liz Davies


A baby dies, a million Sun readers sign a petition and a government swiftly exploits a new platform to further its Every Child Matters agenda, which separates prevention from protection and focuses on children as at risk of being a trouble to society, rather than as victims of child abuse.

Central to this policy is state surveillance of children's lives through the mass accumulation of data about them. Social workers are required to conduct detailed assessments of children and their families on the basis of concerns, rather than harm, and spend most of their time entering the information onto computer databases.

Those of us who have studied the demise of child protection systems since the mid-90s and the neglect of children at high risk of abuse have predicted tragedies again and again.

Lord Laming's statement that he was struck by the robustness of the foundation on which current children's services are based demonstrates how out of touch he is with the impact of his own recommendations, which have led to serious flaws in current practice. Laming, who chaired the Victoria Climbié inquiry, is to review the implementation of his recommended reforms but what is urgently needed is a multi-agency panel of child protection experts to examine professional practice post-Climbié.

The Baby P case demonstrated the exact same dynamic that Lisa Arthurworrey found herself implementing in responding to Victoria Climbié's carers when she followed the family support model so vigorously promoted by government.

Arthurworrey said she thought child protection was only for emergencies and, despite numerous indicators of child abuse at the point where she began to work on this case, child abuse investigation was sidelined as a result.

The Victoria Climbié inquiry led to a raft of new reforms which the children's secretary, Ed Balls, so confidently said have significantly strengthened the framework for safeguarding children. Much depends on the definition of the word safeguarding, but it has to be recognised that these reforms have been imposed at the expense of protecting children from harm.

Social work assessments now take priority and require completion within strict timescales. While these processes, rather than child protection
investigations, go into action, there is high risk of children remaining
unprotected and perpetrators being hidden from professional view.

Most reporting of the Baby P case refers to his name being on the child protection register yet last April, on Laming's recommendation, this register was abolished and child protection professionals lost their most important child protection procedure.

The register statistics, particularly related to sexual and physical abuse, had already fallen dramatically as government targets forced authorities to drive the numbers down. Every device was used to remove children's names, such as them being already in care or of an age to supposedly "take care of themselves".

Balls will no doubt try to convince us that a child who is the subject of a child protection plan is just the same thing as registration - when it clearly is not.

Some authorities have retained the alert system to hospitals and police identifying children at high risk of harm, but in others this vital alarm bell no longer rings.

IT consultants have replaced the specialist child protection manager role as custodian of the register and what was a highly guarded list is now far more widely accessible within the database systems. Abusers will have little difficulty in gaining sensitive information about vulnerable children.

Agencies failed to work together to protect Baby P, but it was Laming's report that recommended police should focus on criminal investigation, which diverted police attention from the joint investigation with social workers of significant harm.

It was surely this policy shift that led to Haringey whistleblower Nevres Kemal being alone as a social worker investigating a case of child sexual abuse based mainly on children's statements.

Very few child abuse referrals begin with evidence of crime. Social workers need to work closely with the police at every stage of a child protection investigation not just at the clear moments when a crime may have been committed. Whether the police remained involved throughout the many incidents of injury to Baby P or solely intervened at moments of "crime" requires close scrutiny.

Laming in his review will surely have to admit that recommending the abolition of the register, the change in police role and the database for every child in the UK, has undermined the use of reliable, tried and tested child protection systems and overturned practice built steadily on inquiry recommendations since the 70s.

He should be praising those authorities that have gone against the tide and kept a secret child protection register or retained specialist child protection social work teams to prioritise investigation of abuse conducted jointly with the police.

• Liz Davies is senior lecturer in children and families social work at London Metropolitan University
#19
Ofsted ridiculed on Newsnight last night.......no one was there from them to defend the fact that they got good rating, then this week lo and behold Ofsted have said they were given wrong info.

Well when you are only ticking boxes, mistakes are bound to happen. Beggars belief.

Skill, experience and instinct ae the most important qualities required when working with children.

My14yr old sings in a choir which occasionally gets onto radio 4 for some performances, once every 2 years maybe . We hsave now been told that we must obtain a medical certificate from our GP to say that he is fit to perform...!. Brother is a GP and this is classed as non NHS work so they can charge anything from £5-35, entirely up to them. This certificate must be obtained EVERY SIX MONTHS. I am sure my GP will not charge that much but some will. . They appear to be taking parents out of the equation, just in case they are starving their kids to geet them to become famous. OMG the world has gone mad.
#20
Civic EG6
Hi, not really read in to this case. But why do people refer to him as baby P and not is name?


The ironically named "child protection act" will not allow any personal data to be made public, only those directly involved in the case are privy to such information(at least in theory).

I work in the care industry and the worst of all this is sadly not an isolated case, and usually it is the people who have little or nothing directly to do with the cases that get axed. It is everyone's responsibility to have the courage to act. Unfortunately it seems to me at least, those people placed in positions of authority only have the ability to answer the questions on the application forms, to a better degree than those strong enough, wise enough and committed to doing the right thing, no matter what the personal cost.

You must be the change you want to see in the world.

Mahatma Gandhi

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