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Road tax fine

stuart2k7 Avatar
6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
Hi
I just got a fine through the post, the fine was for having no road tax on 4th december.
I had just bought the car and was waiting for insurance documents come through so couldnt get road tax until they came, as soon as they did come i got road tax instantly so its not like i was evading it or anything.

My tax is dated for the 1/12/2009

Is it worth appealing for this at all seeing as it did take about 10 weeks to come through and I had no where to keep the car off the road.

What do you think?

Cheers.
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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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banned#1
I'd give it a go but have never done it myself so not sure how successful you'd be
#2
legally you're not allowed to drive the car away from where it was purchased unless it has road tax, this is why a lot of dealers will give you a week's free insurance so that it can be taxed. i wouldn't think you'd have a leg to stand on sorry
banned#3
You sound like most of the people who get stopped on Road Wars, Traffic Cops etc. Must try harder.

When you bought the car, you should, if you did the process correctly, have come away with a New Owner slip of paper (coloured green). This won't produce a logbook, but WILL allow you to tax the car, providing you have insurance and a valid MOT.

If you didn't have an insurance cover note, you would not be able to get the car taxed (Although some insurance companies will fax you a copy), and therefore SHOULD NOT HAVE DRIVEN THE CAR ON THE ROAD - or indeed, kept it off the road, unless you declared it as SORN'ed

It's black and white. I don't think you have a chance in hell of avoiding the fine, and I don't think you should either.
#4
No point in appealing, you have committed an offence, there is nothing to appeal against.
#5
Inactive
No point in appealing, you have committed an offence, there is nothing to appeal against.


+1.
You have absolutely no grounds for appeal.
#6
Sorry to say this but you will prbably have to pay the fine. The offence is failure to display a valid tax disc, which by your own admission you couldn't do, and you could actually land yourself in more trouble appealing it as you then effectively admitting to driving whilst untaxed, which also means any insurance (if you had taken any out at the time of picking up the car) would also be invalid.

Did you buy the car from a dealer - if so they shouldnt have let you take the car without them having seen the insurance docs and them taxing the vehicle for you.
#7
Thanks people looks like ill just have to cough the cash up :-(
#8
This is a diifficult one but I think you may be screwed, as we had a lot of contact with the dvla when we bought a second car, recently.

It had no tax, so was not legal to drive, yet we couldn't tax it woithout the v5, which they were not going to hand over the new keeper without the cash, which meant when we bought it, it was not legal to drive.

We had to get the insurance docs sd, go pay for it, leave it where it was off/road as you can't drive without tax, the only exception if it's taxed and you are waiting on a postal disc.

We then had to go back the next day and tax it.
#9
SORN or use new owner's slip.
#10
[QUOTE=cosmicdav3;7938432 , which also means any insurance (if you had taken any out at the time of picking up the car) would also be invalid.

.[/QUOTE]

Rubbish.
banned#11
tinkerbell28
This is a diifficult one but I think you may be screwed, as we had a lot of contact with the dvla when we bought a second car, recently.

It had no tax, so was not legal to drive, yet we couldn't tax it woithout the v5, which they were not going to hand over the new keeper without the cash, which meant when we bought it, it was not legal to drive.

We had to get the insurance docs sd, go pay for it, leave it where it was off/road as you can't drive without tax, the only exception if it's taxed and you are waiting on a postal disc.

We then had to go back the next day and tax it.


Disappointed in you tinkerbell (unless this is your husbands doing again?):

What paperwork should I look at?

If the seller does not have the car's V5 registration document, walk away. Accept no excuses about the V5 being 'in the post' or 'lying around somewhere'.

Really, there is no screwing happening - the OP committed an offence, and has no excuses or grounds for an appeal.
banned#12
Inactive
Rubbish.


Not quite. Depends on the insurance, but most do state quite clearly that the car must be MOT'd, taxed and roadworthy.
#13
vibeone
Not quite. Depends on the insurance, but most do state quite clearly that the car must be MOT'd, taxed and roadworthy.


Rubbish, the car must be roadworthy for insurance to be valid .

I have never come across any insurance policy that states that a car must be taxed or MOT'd to be valid.
#14
vibeone
Disappointed in you tinkerbell (unless this is your husbands doing again?):

What paperwork should I look at?

If the seller does not have the car's V5 registration document, walk away. Accept no excuses about the V5 being 'in the post' or 'lying around somewhere'.

Really, there is no screwing happening - the OP committed an offence, and has no excuses or grounds for an appeal.


No he HAD the v5, but he wasn't about to fill out the new keeper document and give us the MOT certificate without us paying.................


I know he has no grounds of appeal that is why we PAID for the car left it on his drive took the v5 slip and mot went and insured it, then went to get tax the next day THEN drove it away.

He won't go far he is quite a famous footballer anyway, it was his "cheap" run around whilst his epic ride got fixed in the garage, that is true BTW :p So I know where he lives and where he play mwahahahaha.
banned#15
Inactive
Rubbish, the car must be roadworthy for insurance to be valid .

I have never come across any insurance policy that states that a car must be taxed or MOT'd to be valid.


Would you like a copy of my insurance documents?! I can assure you if my car is not taxed, I'm not insured to drive it on the road. Clearly its still insured if parked etc, I'm not disputing that.

However, on the evidence in front of me, I am gonna have to resort to silly insults like you have, and declare you are talking rubbish.
#16
What day did the car become legally yours?
if before the 4th then send a letter back (appeal) stating this was not your vehicle till you paid on the 5th or whatever day you paid

Although, IF this was from the DVLA there is no actual appeal and you'd be wasting your money
be careful though, they usually then try and fine you afterwards for having a car with no sorn either.
banned#17
Inactive
Rubbish, the car must be roadworthy for insurance to be valid .

I have never come across any insurance policy that states that a car must be taxed or MOT'd to be valid.


MoT is a certificate to say your car is roadworthy, an insurance company won't take your word that the car was roadworthy when it vanished/crashed/burned to the ground, need proof :thumbsup:
#18
vibeone
Would you like a copy of my insurance documents?! I can assure you if my car is not taxed, I'm not insured to drive it on the road. Clearly its still insured if parked etc, I'm not disputing that.

However, on the evidence in front of me, I am gonna have to resort to silly insults like you have, and declare you are talking rubbish.


Don't be so aggressive or abusive.

If you knew anything at all, You'd know that all insurance companies have their own rules
some may not invalidate the insurance for bnot having tax or mot.
Neither is mentioned in my insurance

The same way that SOME insurance companies still allow driving of other cars you dont own on a 3rd party cover, yet other companies have now removed the clause that allows you to drive other cars.


However even IF it was invalidated, they would still pay out on a 3rd party claim, and the police wouldnt/couldnt prosecute as she had insurance and the insurance had not notified them that they had cancelled/invalidated the policy.
#19
vibeone
Would you like a copy of my insurance documents?! I can assure you if my car is not taxed, I'm not insured to drive it on the road. Clearly its still insured if parked etc, I'm not disputing that.

However, on the evidence in front of me, I am gonna have to resort to silly insults like you have, and declare you are talking rubbish.



So your MOT and Tax runs out, you cannot tax it without a valid MOT, you are now saying that you cannot drive it to an MOT Station, because it isn't insured.

I find that hard to swallow.

You must have some real tacky low cost insurer, I have never come across that one before.
#20
Inactive
So your MOT and Tax runs out, you cannot tax it without a valid MOT, you are now saying that you cannot drive it to an MOT Station, because it isn't insured.

I find that hard to swallow.

You must have some real tacky low cost insurer, I have never come across that one before.


I think you are allowed to drive it a sensible distance to a MOT station.
#21
karenhornby
DOn't be so aggressive or abusive.



Don't keep making the same post 3 times, we saw it the first time.:roll:
#22
the__mayster
I think you are allowed to drive it a sensible distance to a MOT station.


Without insurance?, I don't think so.
#23
Inactive
Without insurance?, I don't think so.


You didnt say anything about not having insurence.

You can own a car with insurence without tax and a mot.
#24
Providing you have a booking at an MOT station nearby you can drive it there without MOT or road tax. You will need insurance though
banned#25
sdoherty1000;7938728
Providing you have a booking at an MOT station nearby you can drive it there without MOT or road tax. You will need insurance though

road tax is the law
#26
the__mayster
You didnt say anything about not having insurence.

You can own a car with insurence without tax and a mot.


The thread was discussing insurance and if it is valid without road tax.;-)
#27
sdoherty1000
Providing you have a booking at an MOT station nearby you can drive it there without MOT or road tax. You will need insurance though


Correct +1
banned#28
I'm slightly confused now - too many people arguing, the same people arguing with me defending me etc etc.

There was no agression in my post - Inactive said I was talking rubbish, I said he was. I've had enough rows with Inactive to know when he is and isn't being aggressive thanks.

Back to the point, I'm with Zurich, but not the connect stuff - the stuff from a few years ago. I will check tonight regarding driving to a MOT station - as that is definitely legal, but you would need insurance, so I'm not sure how that would work with my policy.

Also Karen, if you managed to wake up and actually read my posts rather than just fail dismally to use basic forum software, I've not suggested ALL insurance policies are the same - in my first response to Inactive I even pointed out "not quite" - I wasn't suggesting he was totally wrong, I was suggesting "rubbish" was not a fair comment.
#29
lumoruk
road tax is the law


lumoruk is wrong on this one, as long as you have a booking at an mot station, you can drive to it without mot or tax, as obviously you cant get the tax without an mot!. you must have insurance though as that is not reliant on anything else
banned#30
tdogg
lumoruk is wrong on this one, as long as you have a booking at an mot station, you can drive to it without mot or tax, as obviously you cant get the tax without an mot!. you must have insurance though as that is not reliant on anything else


ah so you can


"Driving an untaxed vehicle to an MOT test

You can drive your vehicle to and from a pre-arranged test at an MOT test station as long as you have adequate insurance cover in place for the use of that vehicle.

This is also for vehicles being driven to and from a pre-arranged test at a Vehicle Inspection Check (VIC) test station, an approved weight testing station and reduced pollution test."

[http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_069671]
#31
Yes.
Go for it.
Good luck. :)
#32
Ask over at Pepipoo they will advise you correctly http://forums.pepipoo.com/
#33
you do have grounds to appeal, and most likely will succceed because i did, it happened to me 3/4 years ago where i got fined for having no road tax since my mot had failed, i backdated the road to tax to january even though the i was found out till febuary, i wrote a letter with appeal form and sent it, and the fine was dropped.
banned#34
You took a chance and lost. Pay up and stop whinging.
#35
deffo giveit a go, after all your tax is dated from the 1st and they are trying to do you for having no tax on 4th. so you have been honest and are obviously not on the fiddle as your fiine only came through long after the event when you have already bought it.just post them a copy of your tax disc and they should drop it.
#36
When did you acquire the vehicle and what date did you get the tax? Are you saying it took 10 weeks for your insurance to post you the paperwork?
#37
think he is saying the fine came 10 weeks later. so he had bought the backdated tax way before he knew of any fine.So not doing anything wrong really.
#38
lumoruk
MoT is a certificate to say your car is roadworthy,


Only at the time of testing.

You could drive away from an MOT Station with a pass and a brake light bulb blows, leaving the car un-roadworthy.

Yet you have a valid MOT in your hand.

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