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Rob Will - an innocent man on Death Row?

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banned5y, 11m agoPosted 5 years, 11 months ago
Whether your pro or anti death penalty, it's worth looking at http://www.freerobwill.org/ simply because there is a fair chance this guy is innocent.

If you have time, read the case and the events that unfolded that night. He's literally come to the end of the line in terms of appeals but there is something about this case that doesn't sit right with me.

I actually disagree with the death penalty (not because I'm a left wing liberal, but because I believe people should pay a debt back to society) so simply asking for the death penalty in Texas to be disbanded isn't my point with this. If he committed this crime knowing the state he was in (Texas) gave the death penalty for capital offenses then justice must take it's course, whether we agree or not with the punishment.

But Rob Will may be innocent. And he certainly hasn't had a fair trial thus far. A young man, obviously of many talents 'could' be innocent of this crime.

If you have the time, please read his story.

P.S. Either way, having read Rob Will's website in it's entirety, one thing grabbed me that he said:

"I’m thriving in this Hell—What are you doing out in the “free-world” where the possibilities of living a fulfilling life are endless?"
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banned5y, 11m agoPosted 5 years, 11 months ago
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#1
Texas has a very poor record with regard to 'death-penalty' cases in general and this is another case that serves to highlight this :(
banned#2
fungimala
Texas has a very poor record with regard to 'death-penalty' cases in general and this is another case that serves to highlight this :(


Agreed, Texas has a dire judicial system with the governor of the time simply going with that vast majority of the south to maybe get a presidential election.

Rick Perry is a bit of a prat, and so was Bush.
If this guy did it, then so be the punishment, but surely we can't sit back and let this happen if he is innocent?



Edited By: JonnyTwoToes on Jan 08, 2011 19:02
banned 1 Like #3
Lardy liberal left-wing do gooder!!!
#4
rick perry will never pardon him so its a lost cause imho
#5
master_chief
Lardy liberal left-wing do gooder!!!
oO Sorry who ?
Certainly not the Texas Governor - have you any idea whatsoever what their judicial history is ?
#6
barky
rick perry will never pardon him so its a lost cause imho


The Integrity unit in texas is making some headway but progress is slow and long overdue,
banned#7
barky
rick perry will never pardon him so its a lost cause imho


Jack Smith has been on Texas Death Row for 34 years. Justice served swift I think not!

Those with a morbid/non-morbid fascination can find a lot of information HERE

Last words etc.

Most people admit they did it. There is probably only 3 who I consider to have a case on innocence.

It would be a shame if Rob Will makes that 4.
#8
JonnyTwoToes
barky
rick perry will never pardon him so its a lost cause imho


Jack Smith has been on Texas Death Row for 34 years. Justice served swift I think not!

Those with a morbid/non-morbid fascination can find a lot of information HERE

Last words etc.

Most people admit they did it. There is probably only 3 who I consider to have a case on innocence.

It would be a shame if Rob Will makes that 4.


Where do you get the 3 from ? And are you qualified to determine their guilt ?
#9
fungimala
JonnyTwoToes
barky
rick perry will never pardon him so its a lost cause imho
Jack Smith has been on Texas Death Row for 34 years. Justice served swift I think not!Those with a morbid/non-morbid fascination can find a lot of information HERELast words etc.Most people admit they did it. There is probably only 3 who I consider to have a case on innocence.It would be a shame if Rob Will makes that 4.
Where do you get the 3 from ? And are you qualified to determine their guilt ?

wasnt it texas which executed jeff wood even though he didnt actually murder anyone or handle the murder weapon?
banned#10
bossyboots
Am trying to find out on what the evidence was that convicted him - been reading through but can only see the stuff proving he didnt do this


He had the gun that killed Hill (the police man) when he was arrested.
BUT he said the guy who killed him threw him the gun.

The biggest issue is that the policeman he is said to have killed radioed in and said he had one of the criminals in custody. In Texas, this means he is cuffed and in the back seat of the car.
Rob Will was sentenced to death because he apparently killed Police man Hill in the woods with seven shots.
Not sure you can do this hand cuffed?
banned#11
fungimala
JonnyTwoToes
barky
rick perry will never pardon him so its a lost cause imho


Jack Smith has been on Texas Death Row for 34 years. Justice served swift I think not!

Those with a morbid/non-morbid fascination can find a lot of information HERE

Last words etc.

Most people admit they did it. There is probably only 3 who I consider to have a case on innocence.

It would be a shame if Rob Will makes that 4.


Where do you get the 3 from ? And are you qualified to determine their guilt ?


No, not my opinion, just the opinions of those asked by the patrons of Texas to examine (postmortem) the executed offenders they now think may have a case.

Keep this on topic - life is far too important than to be degraded by opinionated garbage.
banned#12
barky
fungimala
JonnyTwoToes
barky
rick perry will never pardon him so its a lost cause imho
Jack Smith has been on Texas Death Row for 34 years. Justice served swift I think not!Those with a morbid/non-morbid fascination can find a lot of information HERELast words etc.Most people admit they did it. There is probably only 3 who I consider to have a case on innocence.It would be a shame if Rob Will makes that 4.
Where do you get the 3 from ? And are you qualified to determine their guilt ?


wasnt it texas which executed jeff wood even though he didnt actually murder anyone or handle the murder weapon?


Not done the research of Jeff Wood but guilt by Law of Parties is commonly served in Texas.
You're at the scene of the crime? You're guilty as the one pulling the trigger!

Kenneth Foster and Mauriceo Brown is a prime example. Foster was on death row for a while before being commuted to life. He drove a car. That's his crime.
banned#13
Whilst Rob Will has been in the Polunsky unit, he has stood up for human rights.

Quite upsetting video, but I urge people to view it if they can:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8716964652850308461#
#14
Personally, I've long thought that anyone using Adobe Flash for a text box on a website should be put to death, so I'm quite okay with this.
banned#15
bossyboots
JonnyTwoToes
Whilst Rob Will has been in the Polunsky unit, he has stood up for human rights.

Quite upsetting video, but I urge people to view it if they can:
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8716964652850308461#


Havent clicked the video - but when you say he has stood up for human rights - do you mean that of the prisoners


It's a difficult one BB as prisoners on the Polunsky unit should no human rights (IMO).
Rob Will has only ever talked and stood up for other prisoners. Even in a recent book, he spoke about other prisoners other than himself.

If he did it, case closed. No reason for me to ask for this one chap to have any superior treatment to any other DR inmate whom committed the crime.

What are your thoughts so far?
banned 1 Like #16
dxx
Personally, I've long thought that anyone using Adobe Flash for a text box on a website should be put to death, so I'm quite okay with this.


Don't be shallow.
#17
So are you a member of 'The Innocence Project' Jonny or is it a case of the Empty vessels make most noise syndrome ? Do you lobby the Governor of Texas ?
banned#18
bossyboots
JonnyTwoToes
bossyboots
JonnyTwoToes
Whilst Rob Will has been in the Polunsky unit, he has stood up for human rights.

Quite upsetting video, but I urge people to view it if they can:
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8716964652850308461#
" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[url=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8716964652850308461#


Havent clicked the video - but when you say he has stood up for human rights - do you mean that of the prisoners


It's a difficult one BB as prisoners on the Polunsky unit should no human rights (IMO).
Rob Will has only ever talked and stood up for other prisoners. Even in a recent book, he spoke about other prisoners other than himself.

If he did it, case closed. No reason for me to ask for this one chap to have any superior treatment to any other DR inmate whom committed the crime.

What are your thoughts so far?


Find the case fascinating. Been reading quite a lot about him as seems to be so much about this guy on the net. Also clicked that earlier link and read some of the last statements given and gave me shivers.


Yeah, I guess it brings it home.

There is one guy who is now considered to be innocent through the Texas judiciary system realising postmortem that THIS GUY didn't kill his kids.

At the time, the abuse he gave is his last words to his ex wife were probably perceived to be justification of his crime. In hindsight, he was right and the venomous rant at his ex was kind of justified?

Todd Willingham if anyone is curious.
banned#19
fungimala
So are you a member of 'The Innocence Project' Jonny or is it a case of the Empty vessels make most noise syndrome ? Do you lobby the Governor of Texas ?


Please do not cheapen this post.

No, I am not a member of the innocence project. My original post explains my stance on this.
I am against the DP but if you commit a crime where it is sanctioned to be a punishment then you need to live by it.

My only point here is to say that I feel Rob Wills may be innocent. Being an avid follower of people on death row (only because my ex was has a phd in criminology and I found her points of interest to be benign), I know that 99% are guilty as charged. The problem arrises with those who are innocent.
#20
oh how they campaigned for Kenny Richey to be freed, the innocent man on death row blah blah blah.....

And hes turned out to be an absolute scumbag whos never out of prison now.
banned#21
makershaker
oh how they campaigned for Kenny Richey to be freed, the innocent man on death row blah blah blah.....

And hes turned out to be an absolute scumbag whos never out of prison now.


In all fairness, is that a comparable argument?
Just because one man is guilty means everyone on death row must be?

With no offense meant, that is exactly the attitude of the American South that preludes these chaps into a consequential death sentence.

It's natural to hate. Probably harder to get past the hate and understand injustice?
#22
JonnyTwoToes
fungimala
So are you a member of 'The Innocence Project' Jonny or is it a case of the Empty vessels make most noise syndrome ? Do you lobby the Governor of Texas ?


Please do not cheapen this post.

No, I am not a member of the innocence project. My original post explains my stance on this.
I am against the DP but if you commit a crime where it is sanctioned to be a punishment then you need to live by it.

My only point here is to say that I feel Rob Wills may be innocent. Being an avid follower of people on death row (only because my ex was has a phd in criminology and I found her points of interest to be benign), I know that 99% are guilty as charged. The problem arrises with those who are innocent.


How do you know this ? Would it surprise you to find out that out of 40 convictions based on DNA evidence in Texas the Integrity Unit secured release of 18 wrongly-convicted individuals ?
That hardly substantiates your claim that 99% are 'guilty as charged' does it ?
Please don't cheapen this thread - on that note - I'm out (_;)
banned#23
fungimala
JonnyTwoToes
fungimala
So are you a member of 'The Innocence Project' Jonny or is it a case of the Empty vessels make most noise syndrome ? Do you lobby the Governor of Texas ?


Please do not cheapen this post.

No, I am not a member of the innocence project. My original post explains my stance on this.
I am against the DP but if you commit a crime where it is sanctioned to be a punishment then you need to live by it.

My only point here is to say that I feel Rob Wills may be innocent. Being an avid follower of people on death row (only because my ex was has a phd in criminology and I found her points of interest to be benign), I know that 99% are guilty as charged. The problem arrises with those who are innocent.


How do you know this ? Would it surprise you to find out that out of 40 convictions based on DNA evidence in Texas the Integrity Unit secured release of 18 wrongly-convicted individuals ?
That hardly substantiates your claim that 99% are 'guilty as charged' does it ?
Please don't cheapen this thread - on that note - I'm out (_;)


Gee. Sorry you feel to personalise this thread. It's not about you, or me. It's about people living 23 hours behind bars on death row that maybe innocent.
The "I'm out" comment justifies your posts so far.

I'm not here to talk about me or you. I've followed the judicial system in the US for many years, especially in Texas. If you want to jump into this thread to try and make a personal point, please don't. We may be on the same side here.

DNA has only recently been admitted as being evidence in Texas. The TDCJ site explains all this in detail. You only need to look at those convictions from death to life to understand DNA plays a major role.

Anyway, can we stay on topic without having to put forward our own agenda?
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great thread, will read up on rob will later,seems as though the texas judicial system is in the pits..

http://www.deathrow.at/welcometohell/rubac.html
#25
JonnyTwoToes
fungimala
JonnyTwoToes
fungimala
So are you a member of 'The Innocence Project' Jonny or is it a case of the Empty vessels make most noise syndrome ? Do you lobby the Governor of Texas ?


Please do not cheapen this post.

No, I am not a member of the innocence project. My original post explains my stance on this.
I am against the DP but if you commit a crime where it is sanctioned to be a punishment then you need to live by it.

My only point here is to say that I feel Rob Wills may be innocent. Being an avid follower of people on death row (only because my ex was has a phd in criminology and I found her points of interest to be benign), I know that 99% are guilty as charged. The problem arrises with those who are innocent.


How do you know this ? Would it surprise you to find out that out of 40 convictions based on DNA evidence in Texas the Integrity Unit secured release of 18 wrongly-convicted individuals ?
That hardly substantiates your claim that 99% are 'guilty as charged' does it ?
Please don't cheapen this thread - on that note - I'm out (_;)


Gee. Sorry you feel to personalise this thread. It's not about you, or me. It's about people living 23 hours behind bars on death row that maybe innocent.
The "I'm out" comment justifies your posts so far.

I'm not here to talk about me or you. I've followed the judicial system in the US for many years, especially in Texas. If you want to jump into this thread to try and make a personal point, please don't. We may be on the same side here.

DNA has only recently been admitted as being evidence in Texas. The TDCJ site explains all this in detail. You only need to look at those convictions from death to life to understand DNA plays a major role.

Anyway, can we stay on topic without having to put forward our own agenda?


How do you know that 99% are 'guilty as charged' ? Please stay on topic.
banned#26
jackvdbuk
great thread, will read up on rob will later,seems as though the texas judicial system is in the pits..


http://www.deathrow.at/welcometohell/rubac.html


Texas is about a million miles behind any other judiciary system - I think the fact that only 25% of Americans own a passport (the vast majority being in California and New England) says it all.

I have been the subject to years of abuse on a site called UrbanGrounds. I thought it was a joke to begin with until I realised these rednecks were serious.

Only venture over there if you have:

a) a hard chin and you're not offended by being called a Euroweenie (yes, we are all one state according to the deep south!)
b) An attitude that you think different coloured people deserve to walk on the same side of the pavement
b) A Flux Capacitor to get back to the modern day!
#27
Wow JTT you have been quite prolific on this topic. I am aware of the intricacies of this subject but feel that you can only really end up in either the, 'for' or 'against' camp with this one. I don't think there's space for indecision, you are either pro-life or not ... Discuss.
banned#28
KILL HIM NOW!
banned#29
fungimala
master_chief
Lardy liberal left-wing do gooder!!!
oO Sorry who ?


OP!
banned#30
nereides
Wow JTT you have been quite prolific on this topic. I am aware of the intricacies of this subject but feel that you can only really end up in either the, 'for' or 'against' camp with this one. I don't think there's space for indecision, you are either pro-life or not ... Discuss.


Ha, ha... love the discuss idea.
I'm anti death penalty. But I feel EVERYONE should be anti killing innocent people?
To see court appointed lawyers falling asleep on the front bench whilst their defendants get sentenced to death is somewhat funny* (*funny being very unfunny by the way!)

Did you know the court appointed lawyer in the case of Rob Will recanted word for word a previous defense he made? No changes (apart from the names of the defendant).

That sound a little odd?
banned#31
RFC
KILL HIM NOW!


George Bush?
1 Like #32
JonnyTwoToes
nereides
Wow JTT you have been quite prolific on this topic. I am aware of the intricacies of this subject but feel that you can only really end up in either the, 'for' or 'against' camp with this one. I don't think there's space for indecision, you are either pro-life or not ... Discuss.
Ha, ha... love the discuss idea.I'm anti death penalty. But I feel EVERYONE should be anti killing innocent people?To see court appointed lawyers falling asleep on the front bench whilst their defendants get sentenced to death is somewhat funny* (*funny being very unfunny by the way!)Did you know the court appointed lawyer in the case of Rob Will recanted word for word a previous defense he made? No changes (apart from the names of the defendant).That sound a little odd?

recanted?? doesnt that mean withdrew? do you mean repeated?
#33
You don't seem to have answered JTT - What leads you to know that 99 % are guilty as charged[b][/b] ? You can't throw random statistics about without substantiating them as this weakens your ability to strengthen your point of view. hth (_;)

Edited By: fungimala on Jan 08, 2011 20:52
banned#34
barky
JonnyTwoToes
nereides
Wow JTT you have been quite prolific on this topic. I am aware of the intricacies of this subject but feel that you can only really end up in either the, 'for' or 'against' camp with this one. I don't think there's space for indecision, you are either pro-life or not ... Discuss.
Ha, ha... love the discuss idea.I'm anti death penalty. But I feel EVERYONE should be anti killing innocent people?To see court appointed lawyers falling asleep on the front bench whilst their defendants get sentenced to death is somewhat funny* (*funny being very unfunny by the way!)Did you know the court appointed lawyer in the case of Rob Will recanted word for word a previous defense he made? No changes (apart from the names of the defendant).That sound a little odd?


recanted?? doesnt that mean withdrew? do you mean repeated?


Sorry Barky, you are correct - I've been looking at this all day! Yes, he repeated the same statement word for word of a previous convictee.
banned#35
plug him right into the mains :)
banned 1 Like #36
fungimala
You don't seem to have answered JTT - What leads you to believe that 99 % are guilty as charged ? You can't throw random statistics about without substantiating them as this weakens your ability to strengthen your point of view. hth (_;)


OK, (why am I bothering with this?) I have spent the past 6 years looking at every last statement and testimony of those executed on death row (Polunsky unit) Texas, since 1976.
With these and the other 36 states that condone the death peanlty 1200+ people have been put to death.

Without telling you ALL of the last words read, the vast majority acknowledge their crimes (about 900). Of the ones who don't acknowledge the crime, about 200 have evidence stacked against them so great that they are guilty beyond reprieve.
The remaining ones is what I am interested in.

So yes, 99% is a true figure. Please stay on topic!
#37
without wishing to stray too far from the point-2 nights ago I watched a film called "conviction"-a true story-and the ridiculous thing is,that under american law,the police can go back over cold cases from years ago when there was no DNA and use dna to get a conviction,but someone wrongly convicted in the past who wants their dna used to prove their innocence has to raise tens of thousands of dollars to hire a lawyer,a laboratory,get back to court,have their case reheard blah blah etc etc-seems crazy no? evidence is sitting in courthouses and police stations that can PROVE people in jail are innocent,but the police,courts and government departments dont see it as their job to help them prove their innocence,
banned#38
RFC
plug him right into the mains :)


You paying the bill?
banned#39
JonnyTwoToes
RFC
plug him right into the mains :)
You paying the bill?

are you saying the scots are mean !
#40
JonnyTwoToes
fungimala
You don't seem to have answered JTT - What leads you to believe that 99 % are guilty as charged ? You can't throw random statistics about without substantiating them as this weakens your ability to strengthen your point of view. hth (_;)


OK, (why am I bothering with this?) I have spent the past 6 years looking at every last statement and testimony of those executed on death row (Polunsky unit) Texas, since 1976.
With these and the other 36 states that condone the death peanlty 1200+ people have been put to death.

Without telling you ALL of the last words read, the vast majority acknowledge their crimes (about 900). Of the ones who don't acknowledge the crime, about 200 have evidence stacked against them so great that they are guilty beyond reprieve.
The remaining ones is what I am interested in.

So yes, 99% is a true figure. Please stay on topic!


Impressive. You ever thought of compiling a book or something about these guys?

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