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What's the beef so many companies set up in Ireland, why don't they set up here in the UK? Send "tax" to EU or Ireland, which way is the bad guy? Bring back control. . The government/EU is the name,… Read More
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7m, 4d agoPosted 7 months, 4 days ago
What's the beef so many companies set up in Ireland, why don't they set up here in the UK? Send "tax" to EU or Ireland, which way is the bad guy? Bring back control.
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The government/EU is the name, the players are the appointed human beings, the game is the tax laws devised by people. Who are the players of the game?!
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/19/ireland-appeals-eu-order-to-collect-13bn-in-back-taxes-from-apple
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5 Likes #1
Government need to close all loopholes. I must admit if I could legally avoid tax I probably would.
1 Like #2
Read the title and started humming Michael Jackson "Bad"....
1 Like #3
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
#4
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
Bad game , a foul I would say as UK could undercut them with more avoidance?! Then spirals downward...tax free port.
We could have Ireland, NI, Scotland, England, Jersey, Isle of Man...play a game to tax avoidance footies, lol.

Edited By: splender on Dec 19, 2016 10:12
#5
drtongue
Government need to close all loopholes. I must admit if I could legally avoid tax I probably would.
You can, but big £s to ex-HMRC officials gone private (yes, that's right, a personal form of privatisation of a government public service) means you can do it super efficiently.
1 Like #6
Irish government are Catholic religious fundamentalists.

Apple are tax dodging sc um bags.

The EU is a dictatorship and despises democracy.


THEY ALL DESERVE EACH OTHER!
#7
Graham1979
Irish government are Catholic religious fundamentalists.
Apple are tax dodging sc um bags.
The EU is a dictatorship and despises democracy.
THEY ALL DESERVE EACH OTHER!

Grrrrr.... X)
3 Likes #8
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.

That same argument could have been said 300 years ago by slave masters, you can't absolve yourself of morality just because somewhere in the world gives you the opportunity to do so, we should all be guided by a moral compass
#9
Graham1979
Irish government are Catholic religious fundamentalists.
Apple are tax dodging sc um bags.
The EU is a dictatorship and despises democracy.
THEY ALL DESERVE EACH OTHER!
I wouldn't have put this myself but I can see your good reasoning but it is subejct to the definitions of the terms which vary between people, groups, societies and nations.
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shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
That same argument could have been said 300 years ago by slave masters, you can't absolve yourself of morality just because somewhere in the world gives you the opportunity to do so, we should all be guided by a moral compass
Somehow United Nations, European Community, UK have gone astray and forgotten the wrongs that they were supposed to balance (with the rights) since WW2.
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splender
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shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
That same argument could have been said 300 years ago by slave masters, you can't absolve yourself of morality just because somewhere in the world gives you the opportunity to do so, we should all be guided by a moral compass
Somehow United Nations, European Community, UK have gone astray and forgotten the wrongs that they were supposed to balance (with the rights) since WW2.


At the end of the day tho we are all individuals and with our thoughts we make the world.
#12
10-20% extra on Apple product prices otherwise (and thousands upon thousands of other companies from other EU countries, notably from UK).
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Trump is wishing upon a star for Apple to repatriate their profits. I wonder who may get the Apple dough first, Trump or EU?!
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shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
That same argument could have been said 300 years ago by slave masters, you can't absolve yourself of morality just because somewhere in the world gives you the opportunity to do so, we should all be guided by a moral compass
Somehow United Nations, European Community, UK have gone astray and forgotten the wrongs that they were supposed to balance (with the rights) since WW2.

At the end of the day tho we are all individuals and with our thoughts we make the world.
To some extent, true, but psychology says most humans just follow the consensus views so while they all make the world, the followers take advice from others who make the world the way it is.
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.

Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.
Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
It is that at the moment that groups of people are manipulated to counter other groups, old British motto, divide and conquor, dīvide et īmpera, but most are fooled into dog eat dog, if I work in poor conditions why shouldn't they, "wishing on others that they wouldn't like themselves, not realising "themselves" can be their children and grandchildren", cause they don't look beyond themselves.
1 Like #16
splender
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.
Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
It is that at the moment that groups of people are manipulated to counter other groups, old British motto, divide and conquor, dīvide et īmpera, but most are fooled into dog eat dog, if I work in poor conditions why shouldn't they, "wishing on others that they wouldn't like themselves, not realising "themselves" can be their children and grandchildren", cause they don't look beyond themselves.

I don't think anyone wishes anyting on anyone as such i think we are manipulated into knowing our place and led on with the false hope that we can better it and be one of them if we work harder and sacrifice ourselves to the £, but I don't think those at the top actually consider a small child from a poor background to be scum i think they are victims of their own mantra too and think the poor are self made.

I don't think the people who control wages, rent prices etc ever sit down and think about it, they never cost things out or they do so based on a floored image of how things were when they young without realising how much they have changed the world, how much each little change in policy creates a snowball effect that blocks social mobility.
#17
What's interesting here is that the UK seems to be willing to follow Ireland's example when it comes to corporation tax rates with the proposed cuts. Of course Ireland also benefits from single market access which companies will want from the U.K. too, hence they'll get it.

What it reinforces is how politics is increasingly subservient to big business.

We all see the economic turbulence on the horizon and the UK government is looking to reduce the tax burden on companies and high earners whilst doing nothing to boost public services.

There are two Britains emerging. You can see who is going to suffer.
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.
Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
It is that at the moment that groups of people are manipulated to counter other groups, old British motto, divide and conquor, dīvide et īmpera, but most are fooled into dog eat dog, if I work in poor conditions why shouldn't they, "wishing on others that they wouldn't like themselves, not realising "themselves" can be their children and grandchildren", cause they don't look beyond themselves.
I don't think anyone wishes anyting on anyone as such i think we are manipulated into knowing our place and led on with the false hope that we can better it and be one of them if we work harder and sacrifice ourselves to the £, but I don't think those at the top actually consider a small child from a poor background to be scum i think they are victims of their own mantra too and think the poor are self made.

I don't think the people who control wages, rent prices etc ever sit down and think about it, they never cost things out or they do so based on a floored image of how things were when they young without realising how much they have changed the world, how much each little change in policy creates a snowball effect that blocks social mobility.

Why do you call it false hope?
1 Like #19
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.

Would you say the same to a benefit cheat?
#20
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What's interesting here is that the UK seems to be willing to follow Ireland's example when it comes to corporation tax rates with the proposed cuts. Of course Ireland also benefits from single market access which companies will want from the U.K. too, hence they'll get it.
What it reinforces is how politics is increasingly subservient to big business.
We all see the economic turbulence on the horizon and the UK government is looking to reduce the tax burden on companies and high earners whilst doing nothing to boost public services.
There are two Britains emerging. You can see who is going to suffer.
Ireland are only doing what, possibly to a lesser extent, Netherlands, and Luxembourg have been doing for years. They learnt the trick from Switzerland which has offered 'tax protection' since pre Common Market times.

Oddly, it is quite possible that the best thing that could happen would be for all the EU countries to offer big companies the chance to avoid tax by becoming resident in them. That would shake the avoidance market up a bit. :D
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.
Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
It is that at the moment that groups of people are manipulated to counter other groups, old British motto, divide and conquor, dīvide et īmpera, but most are fooled into dog eat dog, if I work in poor conditions why shouldn't they, "wishing on others that they wouldn't like themselves, not realising "themselves" can be their children and grandchildren", cause they don't look beyond themselves.
I don't think anyone wishes anyting on anyone as such i think we are manipulated into knowing our place and led on with the false hope that we can better it and be one of them if we work harder and sacrifice ourselves to the £, but I don't think those at the top actually consider a small child from a poor background to be scum i think they are victims of their own mantra too and think the poor are self made.
I don't think the people who control wages, rent prices etc ever sit down and think about it, they never cost things out or they do so based on a floored image of how things were when they young without realising how much they have changed the world, how much each little change in policy creates a snowball effect that blocks social mobility.
Why do you call it false hope?


There was a cartoon on Facebook a while ago to show a classroom of kids how social mobility works, a waste paper bin was placed at the front of the class and all the students told to roll up a ball of paper and chuck it in the bin from their seats. So the kids at he front had no problems getting the paper balls into the but the kids at the back found it almost impossible.

Most kids are at the back of the class now and getting further and further away from the bin.
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.
Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
It is that at the moment that groups of people are manipulated to counter other groups, old British motto, divide and conquor, dīvide et īmpera, but most are fooled into dog eat dog, if I work in poor conditions why shouldn't they, "wishing on others that they wouldn't like themselves, not realising "themselves" can be their children and grandchildren", cause they don't look beyond themselves.
I don't think anyone wishes anyting on anyone as such i think we are manipulated into knowing our place and led on with the false hope that we can better it and be one of them if we work harder and sacrifice ourselves to the £, but I don't think those at the top actually consider a small child from a poor background to be scum i think they are victims of their own mantra too and think the poor are self made.
I don't think the people who control wages, rent prices etc ever sit down and think about it, they never cost things out or they do so based on a floored image of how things were when they young without realising how much they have changed the world, how much each little change in policy creates a snowball effect that blocks social mobility.
Why do you call it false hope?
There was a cartoon on Facebook a while ago to show a classroom of kids how social mobility works, a waste paper bin was placed at the front of the class and all the students told to roll up a ball of paper and chuck it in the bin from their seats. So the kids at he front had no problems getting the paper balls into the but the kids at the back found it almost impossible.
Most kids are at the back of the class now and getting further and further away from the bin.

So you're basing it on a Facebook cartoon?

Let's just take this example that life is about throwing paper in a bin. Yes it's easier if you're closer.

But then there will be those who have a natural talent and will thrive based on that, no matter how far from the bin they are.

Then you've got those who don't have natural talent and miss...but then they practice, and practice until they become as good as anyone, maybe even better. They thrive through hard work.

But the majority are simply going to say it's too far away, it's too hard, it's rigged and the bin is just 'false hope'. They'd rather play a game on their phone where they throw things in bins, or post cartoons on Facebook about 'woe is me'.

Calling it false hope is quitting before even trying.
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The really funny thing about all of this is its nothing new, been happening for decades and it was about 2013/ 2014 that the stories broke and what have the governments done to stop this. Not a thing, you have to wonder why the government hasn't closed the loop holes probably because all of the activist and tax moaning defects the stick from them. It's alright having low corporation tax rates it's just how you account for profits and can move them around that causes an issue.

Also remember every business whether they are a one person operation or a multi national will be paying as little tax as they can, that's their accountant job. And let's not start its unethical because we all know a business isn't ethical no matter what some will try to tell you, it's responsibilities are to its shareholders first and ethics second.
#24
treble99
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
Would you say the same to a benefit cheat?

Difference is a benefit cheat is cheating a company only following the tax rules massive difference.
1 Like #25
eslick
treble99
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
Would you say the same to a benefit cheat?
Difference is a benefit cheat is cheating a company only following the tax rules massive difference.

That depends on your definition as many companies find loopholes and gaps in regulations, example some people in Africa have two names they are allowed to use the fathers or mother's maiden name so can have i.d in both when they come here both i.ds are valid they can claim twice, isn't that them just taking advantage of a loophole?
#26
treble99
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
Would you say the same to a benefit cheat?
It is always better to tackle an issue on its own merits, it just does not work when one tries to resolve an issue by asking what about another issue as if the wrong suddenly becomes acceptable because there is another wrong. Deal with this issue first, corporate tax avoidance and then deal separately with the the benefit cheat by another team.
#27
Error440
eslick
treble99
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
Would you say the same to a benefit cheat?
Difference is a benefit cheat is cheating a company only following the tax rules massive difference.
That depends on your definition as many companies find loopholes and gaps in regulations, example some people in Africa have two names they are allowed to use the fathers or mother's maiden name so can have i.d in both when they come here both i.ds are valid they can claim twice, isn't that them just taking advantage of a loophole?

well I know more about tax law than benefit cheating :( yes its a loophole but then again I would say its still cheating as legally I suspect it shouldn't be allowed. Tax law is using the law, as it is sometimes that will get pushed to the limits and cases against companies and individuals will take place but I really hope that if someone is claiming benefits twice then they would be prosecuted.
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.
Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
It is that at the moment that groups of people are manipulated to counter other groups, old British motto, divide and conquor, dīvide et īmpera, but most are fooled into dog eat dog, if I work in poor conditions why shouldn't they, "wishing on others that they wouldn't like themselves, not realising "themselves" can be their children and grandchildren", cause they don't look beyond themselves.
I don't think anyone wishes anyting on anyone as such i think we are manipulated into knowing our place and led on with the false hope that we can better it and be one of them if we work harder and sacrifice ourselves to the £, but I don't think those at the top actually consider a small child from a poor background to be scum i think they are victims of their own mantra too and think the poor are self made.
I don't think the people who control wages, rent prices etc ever sit down and think about it, they never cost things out or they do so based on a floored image of how things were when they young without realising how much they have changed the world, how much each little change in policy creates a snowball effect that blocks social mobility.
Why do you call it false hope?
There was a cartoon on Facebook a while ago to show a classroom of kids how social mobility works, a waste paper bin was placed at the front of the class and all the students told to roll up a ball of paper and chuck it in the bin from their seats. So the kids at he front had no problems getting the paper balls into the but the kids at the back found it almost impossible.
Most kids are at the back of the class now and getting further and further away from the bin.
So you're basing it on a Facebook cartoon?
Let's just take this example that life is about throwing paper in a bin. Yes it's easier if you're closer.
But then there will be those who have a natural talent and will thrive based on that, no matter how far from the bin they are.
Then you've got those who don't have natural talent and miss...but then they practice, and practice until they become as good as anyone, maybe even better. They thrive through hard work.
But the majority are simply going to say it's too far away, it's too hard, it's rigged and the bin is just 'false hope'. They'd rather play a game on their phone where they throw things in bins, or post cartoons on Facebook about 'woe is me'.
Calling it false hope is quitting before even trying.

I refer you to my original post the false hope quote is from as you are not speaking the mantra that i was talking about.
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eslick
Error440
eslick
treble99
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
Would you say the same to a benefit cheat?
Difference is a benefit cheat is cheating a company only following the tax rules massive difference.
That depends on your definition as many companies find loopholes and gaps in regulations, example some people in Africa have two names they are allowed to use the fathers or mother's maiden name so can have i.d in both when they come here both i.ds are valid they can claim twice, isn't that them just taking advantage of a loophole?
well I know more about tax law than benefit cheating :( yes its a loophole but then again I would say its still cheating as legally I suspect it shouldn't be allowed. Tax law is using the law, as it is sometimes that will get pushed to the limits and cases against companies and individuals will take place but I really hope that if someone is claiming benefits twice then they would be prosecuted.


But its ok for a company to avoid tax as much as possible while also claming any government grants they can get and paying staff a poverty wage on zero hours when they know fullwell they will need benefits as well to get by.

And there's far more staff looking at benefit fruad then corporate fruad even tho the amount of cash lost is many times smaller.
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.
Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
It is that at the moment that groups of people are manipulated to counter other groups, old British motto, divide and conquor, dīvide et īmpera, but most are fooled into dog eat dog, if I work in poor conditions why shouldn't they, "wishing on others that they wouldn't like themselves, not realising "themselves" can be their children and grandchildren", cause they don't look beyond themselves.
I don't think anyone wishes anyting on anyone as such i think we are manipulated into knowing our place and led on with the false hope that we can better it and be one of them if we work harder and sacrifice ourselves to the £, but I don't think those at the top actually consider a small child from a poor background to be scum i think they are victims of their own mantra too and think the poor are self made.
I don't think the people who control wages, rent prices etc ever sit down and think about it, they never cost things out or they do so based on a floored image of how things were when they young without realising how much they have changed the world, how much each little change in policy creates a snowball effect that blocks social mobility.
Why do you call it false hope?
There was a cartoon on Facebook a while ago to show a classroom of kids how social mobility works, a waste paper bin was placed at the front of the class and all the students told to roll up a ball of paper and chuck it in the bin from their seats. So the kids at he front had no problems getting the paper balls into the but the kids at the back found it almost impossible.
Most kids are at the back of the class now and getting further and further away from the bin.
So you're basing it on a Facebook cartoon?
Let's just take this example that life is about throwing paper in a bin. Yes it's easier if you're closer.
But then there will be those who have a natural talent and will thrive based on that, no matter how far from the bin they are.
Then you've got those who don't have natural talent and miss...but then they practice, and practice until they become as good as anyone, maybe even better. They thrive through hard work.
But the majority are simply going to say it's too far away, it's too hard, it's rigged and the bin is just 'false hope'. They'd rather play a game on their phone where they throw things in bins, or post cartoons on Facebook about 'woe is me'.
Calling it false hope is quitting before even trying.
I refer you to my original post the false hope quote is from as you are not speaking the mantra that i was talking about.

You've said that the notion that we can better ourselves through hard work and sacrifice is 'false hope', but surely that's a self fulfilling prophecy.
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It's something thats stuck with me from reading Journey to the west. Because its true we make the world with our thoughts and re create demons too.
Although the book is about Buddhism and the demons created by man's thoughts and actions are real the idea is true, its karma if we treat others how we want to be treated then it will be so, if we think badly of others and behave badly it will be returned upon us, self fulfilling prophecies, we shouldn't surrender our thoughts to the status que we should always believe in better otherwise we will never get better just worse, more metaphorical demons causing woe.
It is that at the moment that groups of people are manipulated to counter other groups, old British motto, divide and conquor, dīvide et īmpera, but most are fooled into dog eat dog, if I work in poor conditions why shouldn't they, "wishing on others that they wouldn't like themselves, not realising "themselves" can be their children and grandchildren", cause they don't look beyond themselves.
I don't think anyone wishes anyting on anyone as such i think we are manipulated into knowing our place and led on with the false hope that we can better it and be one of them if we work harder and sacrifice ourselves to the £, but I don't think those at the top actually consider a small child from a poor background to be scum i think they are victims of their own mantra too and think the poor are self made.
I don't think the people who control wages, rent prices etc ever sit down and think about it, they never cost things out or they do so based on a floored image of how things were when they young without realising how much they have changed the world, how much each little change in policy creates a snowball effect that blocks social mobility.
Why do you call it false hope?
There was a cartoon on Facebook a while ago to show a classroom of kids how social mobility works, a waste paper bin was placed at the front of the class and all the students told to roll up a ball of paper and chuck it in the bin from their seats. So the kids at he front had no problems getting the paper balls into the but the kids at the back found it almost impossible.
Most kids are at the back of the class now and getting further and further away from the bin.
So you're basing it on a Facebook cartoon?
Let's just take this example that life is about throwing paper in a bin. Yes it's easier if you're closer.
But then there will be those who have a natural talent and will thrive based on that, no matter how far from the bin they are.
Then you've got those who don't have natural talent and miss...but then they practice, and practice until they become as good as anyone, maybe even better. They thrive through hard work.
But the majority are simply going to say it's too far away, it's too hard, it's rigged and the bin is just 'false hope'. They'd rather play a game on their phone where they throw things in bins, or post cartoons on Facebook about 'woe is me'.
Calling it false hope is quitting before even trying.
I refer you to my original post the false hope quote is from as you are not speaking the mantra that i was talking about.
You've said that the notion that we can better ourselves through hard work and sacrifice is 'false hope', but surely that's a self fulfilling prophecy.

The mantra people are taught is that they can move up to the top of the ladder via hard work and those at the bottom are there due to laziness, yet the evidence of life in this country shows that mantra to be a fallacy created by those who cream off the hard work and asperations of others.

Also define bettering ourselves as that is a concept that is not necessarily linked to money an social mobility.
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treble99
shauneco
Don't hate the player, Hate the game.
Would you say the same to a benefit cheat?
Difference is a benefit cheat is cheating a company only following the tax rules massive difference.
That depends on your definition as many companies find loopholes and gaps in regulations, example some people in Africa have two names they are allowed to use the fathers or mother's maiden name so can have i.d in both when they come here both i.ds are valid they can claim twice, isn't that them just taking advantage of a loophole?
well I know more about tax law than benefit cheating :( yes its a loophole but then again I would say its still cheating as legally I suspect it shouldn't be allowed. Tax law is using the law, as it is sometimes that will get pushed to the limits and cases against companies and individuals will take place but I really hope that if someone is claiming benefits twice then they would be prosecuted.
But its ok for a company to avoid tax as much as possible while also claming any government grants they can get and paying staff a poverty wage on zero hours when they know fullwell they will need benefits as well to get by.
And there's far more staff looking at benefit fruad then corporate fruad even tho the amount of cash lost is many times smaller.

yes as long as they follow the law none of them are breaking the law they are following it, if the law is wrong we need the government to address it but they have had plenty of time to fix it and as I said before they wont because it deflect from them.

no company is conducting fraud, you might not like it but benefits cheats are defrauding all of us who pay tax including the companies who also pay tax the tax that they are due. companies aren't defrauding us because we never had the tax anyway as they are following the tax law. of course if the law was to change and then the companies didn't follow it then they would be but as said if you follow the law then you are ok.
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Would you say the same to a benefit cheat?
Difference is a benefit cheat is cheating a company only following the tax rules massive difference.
That depends on your definition as many companies find loopholes and gaps in regulations, example some people in Africa have two names they are allowed to use the fathers or mother's maiden name so can have i.d in both when they come here both i.ds are valid they can claim twice, isn't that them just taking advantage of a loophole?
well I know more about tax law than benefit cheating :( yes its a loophole but then again I would say its still cheating as legally I suspect it shouldn't be allowed. Tax law is using the law, as it is sometimes that will get pushed to the limits and cases against companies and individuals will take place but I really hope that if someone is claiming benefits twice then they would be prosecuted.
But its ok for a company to avoid tax as much as possible while also claming any government grants they can get and paying staff a poverty wage on zero hours when they know fullwell they will need benefits as well to get by.
And there's far more staff looking at benefit fruad then corporate fruad even tho the amount of cash lost is many times smaller.
yes as long as they follow the law none of them are breaking the law they are following it, if the law is wrong we need the government to address it but they have had plenty of time to fix it and as I said before they wont because it deflect from them.
no company is conducting fraud, you might not like it but benefits cheats are defrauding all of us who pay tax including the companies who also pay tax the tax that they are due. companies aren't defrauding us because we never had the tax anyway as they are following the tax law. of course if the law was to change and then the companies didn't follow it then they would be but as said if you follow the law then you are ok.
If 65 million people all do what the companies do which is to stretch rights up against the law and assert what they do with civil rights lawyers, we are all doomed. Namely to reach right up to the point of civil disobedience. There are just so many things not yet codified into law and then there is a question of manpower enforcement and who are to pay, one-on-one policing ?

Edited By: splender on Dec 19, 2016 16:51

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