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Save our forests - petition

chalkysoil Avatar
5y, 10m agoPosted 5 years, 10 months ago
The government is planning a massive sell off of our national forests. They could be auctioned and fenced off, run down, logged or turned into golf courses and holiday villages.

We can't let that happen. We need to stop these plans. National treasures like the The Forest of Dean, Sherwood Forest and The New Forest could be sold off. Once they are gone, they will be lost forever.

A huge petition will force the government to rethink its plans. If we can prove how strongly the public are against this, they will have to back down. Please sign the petition now.

http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/save-our-forests
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5y, 10m agoPosted 5 years, 10 months ago
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1 Like #1
i can't see the woods for the trees!

:D

Edited By: bikerjodie on Jan 29, 2011 14:22
[mod]#3
signed
1 Like #4
signed and commented:
There is no need for a sell off; this is an ideological decision with which I strongly disagree.
#5
signed
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac209/bikerjodie/saveourtrees.png


Edited By: bikerjodie on Jan 29, 2011 14:31
2 Likes #6
Ive got 37,000 signatures right here now. I'd photocopy it for you, but I need some more paper.
1 Like #7
it doesnt matter what you do, no-one ever listens or cares, so why botther, the quicker this planet self implodes the better
#8
We live near the New Forest and the kids love it - just the freedom of all the open spaces.
SIGNED!
banned#9
Would you mind linking to the source that suggests covenants on the land will be disregarded and golf courses will be put in their place?
#10
signed
banned 1 Like #11
JonnyTwoToes
Would you mind linking to the source that suggests covenants on the land will be disregarded and golf courses will be put in their place?


On the website selling the land it says you won't get permission to put houses on the land or anything. Also people are paying stupid money for them but how do you make money from an acre of woodland? It's only a lease so they don't own the land and you can't do anything to it. Seems pointless to me.

Unless it's a logging company with hundreds of acres and they do sustainable logging.

http://www.woods4sale.co.uk/

Edited By: lumoruk on Jan 29, 2011 15:50
banned#13
lumoruk
JonnyTwoToes
Would you mind linking to the source that suggests covenants on the land will be disregarded and golf courses will be put in their place?


On the website selling the land it says you won't get permission to put houses on the land or anything. Also people are paying stupid money for them but how do you make money from an acre of woodland? It's only a lease so they don't own the land and you can't do anything to it. Seems pointless to me.

Unless it's a logging company with hundreds of acres and they do sustainable logging.

http://www.woods4sale.co.uk/



Exactly.
OP is scare mongering. You've been able to buy forest/woodland for decades.
There are covenants on the land that prohibit the build of permanent buildings.

The previous government were actually encouraging coppicing for those with woodland.
It's all good.

I'm fine with the privatisation of woodland.

OP, stop causing a fuss without being educated on the true facts.


Edited By: JonnyTwoToes on Jan 29, 2011 16:11
banned#14
Well they've gone past their 300,000 mark, I signed btw before I read this thread.
#15
thanks, 301128 of us have signed so far
#16
Signed. Strongly disagree with the sell off. Whatever funds the government are hoping to raise for this crime are miniscule in comparison to the worth of these forests to the country and people as a whole.

So why are they doing it? Hints ...... Forests attract wildlife. Bang Bang. Presents for the hunting set?
banned#17
WoolyM
Signed. Strongly disagree with the sell off. Whatever funds the government are hoping to raise for this crime are miniscule in comparison to the worth of these forests to the country and people as a whole.

So why are they doing it? Hints ...... Forests attract wildlife. Bang Bang. Presents for the hunting set?


Gee - that POV is as primitive as your avatar.
#18
JonnyTwoToes
WoolyM
Signed. Strongly disagree with the sell off. Whatever funds the government are hoping to raise for this crime are miniscule in comparison to the worth of these forests to the country and people as a whole.So why are they doing it? Hints ...... Forests attract wildlife. Bang Bang. Presents for the hunting set?
Gee - that POV is as primitive as your avatar.

Its not worked JTT. Try harder.
banned#19
WoolyM
JonnyTwoToes
WoolyM
Signed. Strongly disagree with the sell off. Whatever funds the government are hoping to raise for this crime are miniscule in comparison to the worth of these forests to the country and people as a whole.So why are they doing it? Hints ...... Forests attract wildlife. Bang Bang. Presents for the hunting set?
Gee - that POV is as primitive as your avatar.


Its not worked JTT. Try harder.


You seriously think these sell offs will be used for 'hunting'?
banned#20
JonnyTwoToes
You seriously think these sell offs will be used for 'hunting'?


Well government land is already used by gun clubs to shoot peasants (pheasants) and other wild game, just means these private land owners will be able to stop other people shooting on the land.

Edited By: lumoruk on Jan 29, 2011 16:32
#21
lumoruk
JonnyTwoToes
You seriously think these sell offs will be used for 'hunting'?
Well government land is already used by gun clubs to shoot peasants (pheasants) and other wild game, just means these private land owners will be able to stop other people shooting on the land.

As a matter of fact, yes I do think that is entirely possible. Much more difficult to enforce bans on private land.
banned#22
OK people, (god am I the only one with a brain on this forum?).

The vast majority of people entering into this capitalist ideal of buying decent woodland will simply earn money of the land by generating a successful business using the land itself.
Adventure parks, partnering schools for day trips etc will be the first thing on the agenda.

I do sometimes feel the peeps on here enjoy being so wrong all the time.
banned#23
WoolyM
lumoruk
JonnyTwoToes
You seriously think these sell offs will be used for 'hunting'?
Well government land is already used by gun clubs to shoot peasants (pheasants) and other wild game, just means these private land owners will be able to stop other people shooting on the land.


As a matter of fact, yes I do think that is entirely possible. Much more difficult to enforce bans on private land.


It's a lease of covenant land! JEBUS! Please get educated on the subject.
#24
I saw this on the news yesterday and the guy doing the report for bbc stated that the covenants attached to the sell of prohibited everything the op has mentioned. Havent looked too deeply into this tbh but I dont see how they can be "fenced off",when its a condition of purchase that current freedom to roam is maintained?
1 Like #25
So then JTT. Where are you thinking of investing in forests. Let us all know so we can pay you a visit and check that all is being managed properly.
banned#26
WoolyM
So then JTT. Where are you thinking of investing in forests. Let us all know so we can pay you a visit and check that all is being managed properly.


I was actually. Way before this story.
Via woodlands held in private hands, it seems the perfect present for a family.
Just waiting for the right time to be able to treat my family to a weekend of camping and nature.

I know the norm on here would be to buy the kids a panda pop whilst they sit in the corner of a pub on a sunday afternoon, but it takes all sorts and all that.....
#27
Good to see the Govt selling off more of these forests, as long as they are only used for affordable private housing its a great idea.Dog owners will just have to find somewhere else for their dogs to crap.

Edited By: Bully on Jan 29, 2011 16:51
banned 1 Like #28
Bully
as long as they are only used for affordable private housing its a great idea


lol wow at the ignorance of this post

Edited By: lumoruk on Jan 29, 2011 17:02
#29
This was on Radio 2 the other day, Scotland and Wales have already rejected it.
#30
lumoruk
Bully
as long as they are only used for affordable private housing its a great idea


lol wow at the ignorance of this post


:)
#31
barky
I saw this on the news yesterday and the guy doing the report for bbc stated that the covenants attached to the sell of prohibited everything the op has mentioned. Havent looked too deeply into this tbh but I dont see how they can be "fenced off",when its a condition of purchase that current freedom to roam is maintained?
Have a look at this article - quite interesting
The thing is that the consultation is about how to sell the land and what strictures, if any, should be imposed. 15% will be sold - that is already decided. The consultation is about getting rid of the rest and what sort of a supervisory role the Forestry Commission should have.
Of course woodlands, like houses, river-sides etc are in private hands and bought and sold everyday with covenants and leased and so on. At present less than a fifth of English woodlands are owned by the state as part of the Forestry Commission Estate. But the public land controlled by the Forestry Commission will have only the covenants that are imposed at the point of sale.

Q Will the new owners be obliged to manage the forests with consideration of future climate change, plant health, wildlife, biosecurity, forest services, flood control or any other long-term societal benefit?
A No. The slimmed down Commission will advise owners on plant health, biosecurity and research, but the consultation document suggests it will have no power to make people plant or fell anything, or to do anything other than what they want.
from Q&A: England forests sell-off

There is plenty of land to which the public should have access that is fenced off now, that's what all the Right to Roam stuff was about. Tons of public footpaths for instance are not maintained and have barbed wire obstacles.

It costs each tax payer less than 40p a year to maintain the FC and its estate as it is. I think that's a bargain and the sell off is political.
See this DEFRA youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXX4Gt2IyCI
where Caroline Spelman clearly states 'I need to explain that the Forestry Commission has a conflict of interest; it is both the regulator and the largest seller in the timber market and in this day and age, that simply can't continue.'
This is the nitty gritty.
#32
JonnyTwoToes
lumoruk
JonnyTwoToes
Would you mind linking to the source that suggests covenants on the land will be disregarded and golf courses will be put in their place?
On the website selling the land it says you won't get permission to put houses on the land or anything. Also people are paying stupid money for them but how do you make money from an acre of woodland? It's only a lease so they don't own the land and you can't do anything to it. Seems pointless to me.Unless it's a logging company with hundreds of acres and they do sustainable logging.[url=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.woods4sale.co.uk/
Exactly.OP is scare mongering. You've been able to buy forest/woodland for decades.There are covenants on the land that prohibit the build of permanent buildings.The previous government were actually encouraging coppicing for those with woodland.It's all good.I'm fine with the privatisation of woodland.OP, stop causing a fuss without being educated on the true facts.

So all those who signed the petition know nothing either?
Not a fuss - this is facts and YOU are the one who needs educating!
banned#33
HesFamily4
JonnyTwoToes
lumoruk
JonnyTwoToes
Would you mind linking to the source that suggests covenants on the land will be disregarded and golf courses will be put in their place?
On the website selling the land it says you won't get permission to put houses on the land or anything. Also people are paying stupid money for them but how do you make money from an acre of woodland? It's only a lease so they don't own the land and you can't do anything to it. Seems pointless to me.Unless it's a logging company with hundreds of acres and they do sustainable logging.[url= target=]http://www.woods4sale.co.uk/[/url]
Exactly.OP is scare mongering. You've been able to buy forest/woodland for decades.There are covenants on the land that prohibit the build of permanent buildings.The previous government were actually encouraging coppicing for those with woodland.It's all good.I'm fine with the privatisation of woodland.OP, stop causing a fuss without being educated on the true facts.


So all those who signed the petition know nothing either?
Not a fuss - this is facts and YOU are the one who needs educating!


Do grow up. Maybe capitals will help?

SHOW ME THE LINK THAT ALLOWS PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF LEASE TO GO AGAINST COVENANTS OF THE LAND.

(Sorry for shouting)
#34
- 307348 of us have signed so far!

thanks :)

Edited By: chalkysoil on Jan 30, 2011 00:13: 307348
#35
312395 signed so far. They are hoping to get up to 400000 signatures today.
Get signing and pass the link on to all of your contacts
#36
357135 :)

Edited By: chalkysoil on Feb 01, 2011 01:29: 357135
#37
what next?will they start cutting humans next,to make some space for them self?
#38
JonnyTwoToes
HesFamily4
JonnyTwoToes
lumoruk
JonnyTwoToes
Would you mind linking to the source that suggests covenants on the land will be disregarded and golf courses will be put in their place?
On the website selling the land it says you won't get permission to put houses on the land or anything. Also people are paying stupid money for them but how do you make money from an acre of woodland? It's only a lease so they don't own the land and you can't do anything to it. Seems pointless to me.Unless it's a logging company with hundreds of acres and they do sustainable logging.[url= target=]http://www.woods4sale.co.uk/[/url]
Exactly.OP is scare mongering. You've been able to buy forest/woodland for decades.There are covenants on the land that prohibit the build of permanent buildings.The previous government were actually encouraging coppicing for those with woodland.It's all good.I'm fine with the privatisation of woodland.OP, stop causing a fuss without being educated on the true facts.
So all those who signed the petition know nothing either?Not a fuss - this is facts and YOU are the one who needs educating!
Do grow up. Maybe capitals will help?SHOW ME THE LINK THAT ALLOWS PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF LEASE TO GO AGAINST COVENANTS OF THE LAND.(Sorry for shouting)

Go search for yourself, you might learn something!
You are obviously talking out of your backside!
#39
chalkysoil
- 307348 of us have signed so far!thanks :)

No probs - there really are some right prats on here!
[helper]#40
JonnyTwoToes
Do grow up. Maybe capitals will help?SHOW ME THE LINK THAT ALLOWS PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF LEASE TO GO AGAINST COVENANTS OF THE LAND.(Sorry for shouting)
Covenants can be changed - too much of our limited countryside is privately owned and off limits to the public. This will just make things worse.....

Edited By: gari189 on Jan 30, 2011 21:38

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