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School children on 'pupil premium' could get priority admission to schools under new plans

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That's right just another kick in the face for those who do well at school and get on in life, why not hey, they are easy targets... so not only (if like us you are a normal working family) are you… Read More
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2y, 10m agoPosted 2 years, 10 months ago
That's right just another kick in the face for those who do well at school and get on in life, why not hey, they are easy targets...

so not only (if like us you are a normal working family) are you taxed to high heaven, screwed over by every new policy, never qualify for anything good...

now you children are screwed over for a decent school... bottom of the pile...

Hello, is that the admissions board.... yes I have a normal child from a working family who would like a school place please...

their response?

bottom of the pile sir!
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2y, 10m agoPosted 2 years, 10 months ago
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Whilst I agree that it looks and sounds bad, Pupil Premium is based on just more than people who do little with their lives. Part of Pupil Premium is Ever 6, which are pupils who have been on Free School Meals in the last 6 years. This means that if you were unfortunate enough to fall on hard times, but have since recovered, you are still classed as Pupil Premium kids and will get the priority access.

Also, a little known part of Pupil Premium are pupils who have parents who are in the Armed Forces; again, people who are working as hard as the rest of us, but are classed into Pupil Premium through that fact.

I don't have an opinion, but I thought I would throw that into the mix before the usuals start to spout their usual rubbish.
banned#3
You should be happy. X)
#4
Oh dear helping the underprivileged how evil of them!

what is the world coming to when those in need are given assistance to try and help them do well, its soooo unfair, if I on my 55k a year salary working at the daily mail have to pay travel costs because little Jack didn't get a place at a local school then so should a minimum wage zero hours worker on benefits or a DLA claimant, there are food banks they can go to if they can't afford the costs of public transport etc, they should have thought about such things before they had children if they can't afford them its not rocket science to figure out if your employer will go into administration in 6 years time leaving you redundant or that you would develop M.E.


/sarcasm off.
#5
My old neighbours kids get free meals and pupil premium. They never bring in cakes when asked, bottles and jam jars for the school fairs but both boys spend £1 a day on monster energy drinks. I bet they don't contribute to trips but still go anyway + non uniform money. The eldest child 23+ has been in prison more times than you've had Hot Deals - He's a full time car thief/arsonist. The youngest is well known as a little heller - started off stealing scooters and skateboards, and was recently suspended after paramedics were called to the school for his handy work on another unsuspecting boy. The mother (feckless and morally challenged - a great role model) has just been in the papers for not sending them to school.

but hey at least he gets 1-1 tuition paid for by the pupil premium (probably to hold him back from other children and stop him from stealing) so that seams to be working well for him and free meals so he doesn't just live off red bull all day.
#6
I don't see why this is a problem. Is it fair for a child who doesn't choose which family he is born into to, to be put down because of it?
Maybe, just maybe the child has potential but doesn't have the necessary means at home to fulfil his full potential. This scheme will help them surely? Obviously it is not going to work magic on some children, and to most it might not even make the slightest difference, but if they get a place in a half decent school which they wouldn't have normally due to this scheme, and they want to do well for themselves then that "disadvantaged" child could become a successful adult. The funding if used correctly can also be put towards improving the school so that because of that one disadvantaged child other pupils will benefit from it so may have a ripple effect. Some of these kids may not be getting the support or help needed at home to give a **** about themselves, but if the school at least shows some signs of interest in them, the attention can be life changing for their confidence or prospective. They don't have rich mummy & daddy at home to come back to, who if they say i don't like my school the parents can afford to pull them out and place them in a better one.
So yes, if your child doesn't fall into the disadvantaged category and due to this doesn't get the original place they want in a particular schools at least (hopefully) they have the type of family at home who will fill the gaps where the school cant, and you should be happy that because your child isnt classed as disadvantages, another child who is will benefit from it.

Oh and by the way, We are also a "normal" (as you put it) working family, i don't see this being a problem. Like i said, if my child is not going to get as much help as they should at their school, that's where i or my partner come in, and I'll be very happy if his place has gone to someone whose parents wouldn't do the same.

Edited By: Aiden1512 on Jul 27, 2014 08:42: Added info
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Aiden1512
I don't see why this is a problem. Is it fair for a child who doesn't choose which family he is born into to, to be put down because of it?
Maybe, just maybe the child has potential but doesn't have the necessary means at home to fulfil his full potential. This scheme will help them surely? Obviously it is not going to work magic on some children, and to most it might not even make the slightest difference, but if they get a place in a half decent school which they wouldn't have normally due to this scheme, and they want to do well for themselves then that "disadvantaged" child could become a successful adult. The funding if used correctly can also be put towards improving the school so that because of that one disadvantaged child other pupils will benefit from it so may have a ripple effect. Some of these kids may not be getting the support or help needed at home to give a **** about themselves, but if the school at least shows some signs of interest in them, the attention can be life changing for their confidence or prospective. They don't have rich mummy & daddy at home to come back to, who if they say i don't like my school the parents can afford to pull them out and place them in a better one.
So yes, if your child doesn't fall into the disadvantaged category and due to this doesn't get the original place they want in a particular schools at least (hopefully) they have the type of family at home who will fill the gaps where the school cant, and you should be happy that because your child isnt classed as disadvantages, another child who is will benefit from it.

Oh and by the way, We are also a "normal" (as you put it) working family, i don't see this being a problem. Like i said, if my child is not going to get as much help as they should at their school, that's where i or my partner come in, and I'll be very happy if his place has gone to someone whose parents wouldn't do the same.

I am not entirely sure you understand the issue, it is not about helping these kids, pupil premium is already in full swing, it is about 'your' child being refused a place at a local school because the school can now turn him down because he is not disadvantaged...

Don't be fooled that it is anything other than that, when you come to choose another school for your children you will have zero chance of getting your preferred school, probably not even the top 3 choice...

That is what is wrong, they are using the pupil premium as a cover, imagine if schools were allowed to do this for wealthy kids, there would be a uproar
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Aeschylus
Aiden1512
I don't see why this is a problem. Is it fair for a child who doesn't choose which family he is born into to, to be put down because of it?
Maybe, just maybe the child has potential but doesn't have the necessary means at home to fulfil his full potential. This scheme will help them surely? Obviously it is not going to work magic on some children, and to most it might not even make the slightest difference, but if they get a place in a half decent school which they wouldn't have normally due to this scheme, and they want to do well for themselves then that "disadvantaged" child could become a successful adult. The funding if used correctly can also be put towards improving the school so that because of that one disadvantaged child other pupils will benefit from it so may have a ripple effect. Some of these kids may not be getting the support or help needed at home to give a **** about themselves, but if the school at least shows some signs of interest in them, the attention can be life changing for their confidence or prospective. They don't have rich mummy & daddy at home to come back to, who if they say i don't like my school the parents can afford to pull them out and place them in a better one.
So yes, if your child doesn't fall into the disadvantaged category and due to this doesn't get the original place they want in a particular schools at least (hopefully) they have the type of family at home who will fill the gaps where the school cant, and you should be happy that because your child isnt classed as disadvantages, another child who is will benefit from it.

Oh and by the way, We are also a "normal" (as you put it) working family, i don't see this being a problem. Like i said, if my child is not going to get as much help as they should at their school, that's where i or my partner come in, and I'll be very happy if his place has gone to someone whose parents wouldn't do the same.

I am not entirely sure you understand the issue, it is not about helping these kids, pupil premium is already in full swing, it is about 'your' child being refused a place at a local school because the school can now turn him down because he is not disadvantaged...

Don't be fooled that it is anything other than that, when you come to choose another school for your children you will have zero chance of getting your preferred school, probably not even the top 3 choice...

That is what is wrong, they are using the pupil premium as a cover, imagine if schools were allowed to do this for wealthy kids, there would be a uproar

I do understand. Like i said if my son doesn't get a place in my preferred school due to him not being classed as disadvantaged, i wouldn't mind. If the school he does get admitted to don't offer him the same help and support my preferred school would, I will help him fill the gaps. And if due to this another "disadvantaged" child gets help, I'm happy as then at least there is a good reason for my son not getting a place, At least then another child is given the chance to succeed.
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Aeschylus
imagine if schools were allowed to do this for wealthy kids, there would be a uproar[/quote]
Also I imagine before pupil premium was brought into effect wealthy kids did get top priority, that is the whole reason they've brought it in. Obviously somewhere schools were not as willing to admit a disadvantaged child and would give the place to a wealthy child who is more likely to succeed and drive up the schools tests score stats, Now they cant, And i'm glad. The kids didnt choose to be born into a disadvantaged family, so they should be given a chance to change their life by going to a better school.


Edited By: Aiden1512 on Jul 27, 2014 09:07
#10
I got a weird idea, how about all the money for schooling is spent for the benefit of ALL children - not just a select few. We've now got free meals for younger KS1 children from september but sod the rest of them - whether they need/want it or not. They could have used the same amount of money to feed ALL children of all years by rotating the meals weekly per year.
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Sounds like the OP is angry his/her children are not treated better than others, your kids should think themselves lucky they have caring parents who go out to work hard and can provide. it in no way gives you or your children priority though,

Those from a less privileged background, need a helping hand, after all how can you ever blame the child?

Also whats the "Normal Child" supposed to mean?

Try coping with a child with disabilities and then see what goes into getting that child a place in a specialist school with very little help from any authority pfft Normal Child, lucky you.


Edited By: haritori on Jul 27, 2014 18:04
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haritori
Sounds like the OP is angry his/her children are not treated better than others, your kids should think themselves lucky they have caring parents who go out to work hard and can provide. it in no way gives you or your children priority though,

Those from a less privileged background, need a helping hand, after all how can you ever blame the child?

not that at all. most people believe that people should be treated fairly and equally, regardless of where they are from, what this rule does is say... the more disadvantaged you are the better school you will get...

now lets flip that

the less disadvantaged you are the better school we will give you (not including private education)

you think that is fair, 99% of people would say no, so if it is not fair to do it for the more advantaged, then.....

and obviously normal is subjective, and as far as I am aware I believe if you child is disabled they get first choice and rightly so?

Edited By: Aeschylus on Jul 27, 2014 18:06
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Aeschylus
haritori
Sounds like the OP is angry his/her children are not treated better than others, your kids should think themselves lucky they have caring parents who go out to work hard and can provide. it in no way gives you or your children priority though,

Those from a less privileged background, need a helping hand, after all how can you ever blame the child?

not that at all. most people believe that people should be treated fairly and equally, regardless of where they are from, what this rule does is say... the more disadvantaged you are the better school you will get...

now lets flip that

the less disadvantaged you are the better school we will give you (not including private education)

you think that is fair, 99% of people would say no, so if it is not fair to do it for the more advantaged, then.....

and obviously normal is subjective, and as far as I am aware I believe if you child is disabled they get first choice and rightly so?

My son had to go before panel where he was assessed to see if he was "disabled" enough to attend a special unit at the school of our choice we luckily he was, otherwise he could of been sent 30 miles to another school to cover his needs, we didn't get any choice really.

As for the situation you are describing, its not perfect is it, but......

id rather less fortunate children get priority because those of a better background will have home and family support in place which i would argue far more important than the actual in school education, most criminals are not criminals because of the low quality schooling, and there are some pretty highly qualified shelf stackers out there..
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haritori
Aeschylus
haritori
Sounds like the OP is angry his/her children are not treated better than others, your kids should think themselves lucky they have caring parents who go out to work hard and can provide. it in no way gives you or your children priority though,

Those from a less privileged background, need a helping hand, after all how can you ever blame the child?

not that at all. most people believe that people should be treated fairly and equally, regardless of where they are from, what this rule does is say... the more disadvantaged you are the better school you will get...

now lets flip that

the less disadvantaged you are the better school we will give you (not including private education)

you think that is fair, 99% of people would say no, so if it is not fair to do it for the more advantaged, then.....

and obviously normal is subjective, and as far as I am aware I believe if you child is disabled they get first choice and rightly so?

My son had to go before panel where he was assessed to see if he was "disabled" enough to attend a special unit at the school of our choice we luckily he was, otherwise he could of been sent 30 miles to another school to cover his needs, we didn't get any choice really.

As for the situation you are describing, its not perfect is it, but......

id rather less fortunate children get priority because those of a better background will have home and family support in place which i would argue far more important than the actual in school education, most criminals are not criminals because of the low quality schooling, and there are some pretty highly qualified shelf stackers out there..

I have nothing but the utmost sympathy when it comes to schooling for disabled children, with have a specialist school where I live and it is very in demand, and it quite frankly disgusts me that they don't provide more places, we know people who have been fighting for years to try to get a place..

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