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[helper] 5y, 10m agoPosted 5 years, 10 months ago
Hiya, this is really confusing, and i can't figure out how to work it out.

I currently work 18.5 hours a week, which is Wednesday PM, Thursday and Friday all day. My current salary is £8,600 a year.

I am applying to work school term time, and school hours, but am just wondering how i would actually work out, how many more days a week would i have to work to enable me to still recieve the same salary, if thats possible? I havent a clue how to work it out! x
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[helper] 5y, 10m agoPosted 5 years, 10 months ago
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banned 1 Like #1
Will you be working at the same place?
[helper]#2
Yer hun xxx
1 Like #3
That's what HR are for, each firm factor in different allowances
banned 1 Like #4
missgem
Yer hun xxx

The best thing to do is ask somebody who is already doing the job or ring the payroll department.

I worked in a school kitchen for a short time and I rang the payroll department to get it explained.

Good luck x x
[helper]#5
I think your not understand, or im just not explaining correctly. I currently work for the local authority, it is nothing to do with school term times, but i can apply to work school term time, due to the flexible working policy the local authority run.

As stated i currently work the above, and that is my salary for the year.

I would be staying in the same job, but applying to work term time only.

Which is 39 weeks of the year.

I would be wanting to start work at 8:30am and finishing at 3pm (which would be 6 hours aday if you take off 30 minutes for lunch) working the 3 days still which brings me to 18 hours.

I currently work 18.5 hours a week so that means i currently get £8.94 an hour.

x
[helper]#6
Think im gonna have to contact HR hahahaha its tricky aint it x
1 Like #7
You could do it any way you wanted! 6 hours on one day, 4 on the next, 4 on the next and 4.5 on the next... or 5/5/5/3.5... Any variation will still give you the same salary if you work the same amount of hours!
banned 1 Like #8
missgem
Think im gonna have to contact HR hahahaha its tricky aint it x

Yes it is very tricky.

They pay you less than the hour's you work during term time to pay for the time off during non-term times.
2 Likes #9
Term time = 39 weeks.....

What about non-term time as you work at the moment? 52 ?

If that's right, then you work 52 weeks x 18.5 = 962 hours, at £8,600 as you said = £8.94/hr

To work only 39 weeks and earn the same you'd have to still manage to work 962 hours, but spread over 13 fewer weeks...

i.e. you'd have to do 24.66 hours a week,

Call it 24, you'd have to do 3 x 8hour days, or 4 x 6hour days :)

But as has already been said, i'm not sure this would be entirely you're decision to make, THEY call the shots :)

x
1 Like #10
you work 18.5hrs x 52weeks= 962hrs
962 hrs divided by 39 weeks = 24.666 hrs per week you will have to work
best way to suit you
[helper]#11
SuperDan
Term time = 39 weeks.....

What about non-term time as you work at the moment? 52 ?

If that's right, then you work 52 weeks x 18.5 = 962 hours, at £8,600 as you said = £8.94/hr

To work only 39 weeks and earn the same you'd have to still manage to work 962 hours, but spread over 13 fewer weeks...

i.e. you'd have to do 24.66 hours a week,

Call it 24, you'd have to do 3 x 8hour days, or 4 x 6hour days :)

But as has already been said, i'm not sure this would be entirely you're decision to make, THEY call the shots :)

x


I can choose whatever hours or days i want haha i call the shots, lol! But i need to be sure what i want to do, so your working out sounds fabulous :o) the 4 6 hour days sounds perfect :o) xxxxx
1 Like #12
Ah I see why it's tricky! I didn't know you get a different amount according to the time of year etc! I think you need to give exact figures so that someone can help you as the "other" per hour salary is an unknown at the moment!
[helper]#13
SuperDan
Term time = 39 weeks.....

What about non-term time as you work at the moment? 52 ?

If that's right, then you work 52 weeks x 18.5 = 962 hours, at £8,600 as you said = £8.94/hr

To work only 39 weeks and earn the same you'd have to still manage to work 962 hours, but spread over 13 fewer weeks...

i.e. you'd have to do 24.66 hours a week,

Call it 24, you'd have to do 3 x 8hour days, or 4 x 6hour days :)

But as has already been said, i'm not sure this would be entirely you're decision to make, THEY call the shots :)

x


PS if i chose the 3 6 hour days instead, how much would i get a year then instead? xxxx
1 Like #14
Don't forget though it's also for the needs of the business and they may say that they don't want you to work more hours per day as it will suit them to have another person in doing the extra hours - that way they have extra cover
[helper]#15
Jumpingphil
Nearly there, just need to know how many days holiday do you currently get, and how many will you get after the change.
Will it be the same, less or more?


Well at the minute i get 14 days a year plus bank holidays, but im unsure when you choose to work term time, how this works out? do they knock that off the 39 weeks? as 14 days to me, is 5 weeks and a day and half xxx
[helper]#16
sn0ttyang3l
Don't forget though it's also for the needs of the business and they may say that they don't want you to work more hours per day as it will suit them to have another person in doing the extra hours - that way they have extra cover


I have a decent boss, so i dont think he would say no, but he could do, we shall see xxxx
banned 1 Like #17
missgem
Jumpingphil
Nearly there, just need to know how many days holiday do you currently get, and how many will you get after the change.Will it be the same, less or more?
Well at the minute i get 14 days a year plus bank holidays, but im unsure when you choose to work term time, how this works out? do they knock that off the 39 weeks? as 14 days to me, is 5 weeks and a day and half xxx

I think the only holidays you will get are when the tiddlywinks aren't in school.
1 Like #18
missgem
SuperDan
Term time = 39 weeks.....

What about non-term time as you work at the moment? 52 ?

If that's right, then you work 52 weeks x 18.5 = 962 hours, at £8,600 as you said = £8.94/hr

To work only 39 weeks and earn the same you'd have to still manage to work 962 hours, but spread over 13 fewer weeks...

i.e. you'd have to do 24.66 hours a week,

Call it 24, you'd have to do 3 x 8hour days, or 4 x 6hour days :)

But as has already been said, i'm not sure this would be entirely you're decision to make, THEY call the shots :)

x


PS if i chose the 3 6 hour days instead, how much would i get a year then instead? xxxx


If everything here is as simple as we're assuming that it is, if you choose either of the 3 x 8hour day or 4 x 6hour day weeks you'd be working 24 hours a week, and missing out on 26hours (which at current rate is the equivalent of ~ £232 a year or just under £6 a week [under your new 39week year]

That's assuming your 3x6 was a typo, if you ACTUALLY mean what happens if you choose to work 3 x 6hour days for 39 weeks then you'd be racking up a total of 702 hours in a year, which is 260 less than you currently work, so you could expect a salary deduction of around £2,300...
1 Like #19
The calculation made by SuperDan is good. With regard to holiday - you would be entitled to (at least) 5.6 times your average weekly hours as holiday. I am assuming you don't actually work in a school, where holidays are set. Bear in mind an employer can include statutory days in this figure. You would need to work out the average hours per week over the whole year, not just the 39 weeks. Also, most 'term time' situations would include one extra week for inset days, but as it's not actually a school, I'm guessing you won't want this to apply. You're asking for some serious flexibility from your employer. If you get what you want you are a very lucky person! I want to work where you work!!!!
1 Like #20
4*6 hour days means you are down £230 a year, just to point that out, if you did 3*6hours and 1*7hours you'd be up £118 a year, that's just a quick sum based on everyone elses numbers.
[helper]#21
FrootCake
The calculation made by SuperDan is good. With regard to holiday - you would be entitled to (at least) 5.6 times your average weekly hours as holiday. I am assuming you don't actually work in a school, where holidays are set. Bear in mind an employer can include statutory days in this figure. You would need to work out the average hours per week over the whole year, not just the 39 weeks. Also, most 'term time' situations would include one extra week for inset days, but as it's not actually a school, I'm guessing you won't want this to apply. You're asking for some serious flexibility from your employer. If you get what you want you are a very lucky person! I want to work where you work!!!!


I am lucky to be fair, i did work full time originally, 37 hours a week, then i changed to work 5 mornings only, 8am til 11:45am, then i changed to 2 n half days a week being as i am now wednesday afternoon and thursday all day and friday all day.

I did get granted a career break of upto 5 years off, as i was gonna have a 5 year break, and then my job would of remained opened for me to go back, but then i decided against it after they had granted it.

I was considering just leavin but then thought, im stupid if i do, ive been there 7 years and there so leniant with me, so id be a fool to give up an easy well paid job :o) xxxx
[helper]#22
See i only have childcare covered on wednesdays, thursdays and fridays, so can only really work them days still, but want to have term time off and work school hours being 8:30am finish at 3pm, so thats basically what i want to do, x
1 Like #23
missgem
See i only have childcare covered on wednesdays, thursdays and fridays, so can only really work them days still, but want to have term time off and work school hours being 8:30am finish at 3pm, so thats basically what i want to do, x


So you want to do three 6 hour days?
1 Like #24
Well then the BEST that you could expect is your salary to be reduced to £6300 a year, based on the hours you'll be working, compared to what you currently work.
[helper]#25
FrootCake
missgem
See i only have childcare covered on wednesdays, thursdays and fridays, so can only really work them days still, but want to have term time off and work school hours being 8:30am finish at 3pm, so thats basically what i want to do, x


So you want to do three 6 hour days?


Yup xxxx
[helper] 1 Like #26
SuperDan
Well then the BEST that you could expect is your salary to be reduced to £6300 a year, based on the hours you'll be working, compared to what you currently work.


Thankyou soo much Super Dan for all your hardwork and help :o) Nice to see decent people on here who are willing to help xxxxxx
1 Like #27
If that's the case you'll be grossing £6275. Try benefits checker (if applicable) to see if the drop in income would be topped up with benefits. Do you pay for your childcare?
[helper]#28
PS that would mean i would bring £80 less home a month which aint too bad x Seeing as my tax credits would probably increase. And FrootCake i do get help with childcare already xxxx

Edited By: missgem on Jan 16, 2011 21:24
[helper] 1 Like #29
Would like to thank everyone for their input, and helping me out, i really do appreciate all of your help xxxxxx
#30
missgem
Thankyou soo much Super Dan for all your hardwork and help :o) Nice to see decent people on here who are willing to help xxxxxx


You're welcome, but these are very crude estimates, so use them only as a guideline, i'm sure that there are a number of factors which will mess them up one way or another!
[helper]#31
SuperDan
missgem
Thankyou soo much Super Dan for all your hardwork and help :o) Nice to see decent people on here who are willing to help xxxxxx


You're welcome, but these are very crude estimates, so use them only as a guideline, i'm sure that there are a number of factors which will mess them up one way or another!


Ive just emailed HR so will let you all know tomorrow, if she understands me that is haaha x
#32
Jumpingphil
baffledsalmon
Ah I see why it's tricky! I didn't know you get a different amount according to the time of year etc! I think you need to give exact figures so that someone can help you as the "other" per hour salary is an unknown at the moment!
Where does that come from?
Well others seem to think it makes a difference? See above...
#33
missgem
PS that would mean i would bring £80 less home a month which aint too bad x Seeing as my tax credits would probably increase. And FrootCake i do get help with childcare already xxxx


I don't think that's right...

A £2,300 a year salary drop translates as 2300/12 = £192 a month.
[helper]#34
SuperDan
missgem
PS that would mean i would bring £80 less home a month which aint too bad x Seeing as my tax credits would probably increase. And FrootCake i do get help with childcare already xxxx


I don't think that's right...

A £2,300 a year salary drop translates as 2300/12 = £192 a month.


OO incorrect figure given salary is £8220 a year (upon checking my wage slip) i currently bring home £626 a month after tax, national insurance and unison xxx
#35
Yeah I worked it out as a near £200 drop a month, not £80.
[helper]#36
I got £80 because i divided dans figure of £6300 by 12 = £525 a month and i currently get £626 a month, so its £100 but i took £20 off to cover the decrease of tax and insurance, but i gave the incorrect figure of my annual salary sorry x
2 Likes #37
Also, for 2011 you won't pay ANY income tax unless you earn more than £7,475 in the year, whereas last year you'd have paid 20% on (£8,600 - £6,475<--this was last years tax threshold) = £425 :)

So, not including any national insurance deductions, your take home money
last year = £8,175
which = £8.49per hour

This year = £6,300
which = £8.97 per hour,

SO your new regime would actually be more EFFICIENT if these numbers work out :)
[helper]#38
Shes given me the calculation:

18/37 x 44.3852 / 52.1428 x £16,440 = What my annual salary would be (term time +1 week)

or

18/37 x 43.2421 / 52.1428 x £16,440 - What my annual salary would be (term time only)
#39
missgem
Shes given me the calculation:

18/37 x 44.3852 / 52.1428 x £16,440 = What my annual salary would be (term time +1 week)

or

18/37 x 43.2421 / 52.1428 x £16,440 - What my annual salary would be (term time only)


Have you done the maths?

For term time only I get £6632.62pa (£552pcm), but I'm not sure what the 43.2421 figure is, I had expected that to be nearer 39. If it was adjusted to 39, the figure would be about £600 lower still. Maybe I'm got post lunchtime dimness. What is the 43.2421? Has she included your holiday pay in that.... hmmm - that would make sense.


Edited By: FrootCake on Jan 17, 2011 14:58
[helper]#40
FrootCake
missgem
Shes given me the calculation:

18/37 x 44.3852 / 52.1428 x £16,440 = What my annual salary would be (term time +1 week)

or

18/37 x 43.2421 / 52.1428 x £16,440 - What my annual salary would be (term time only)


Have you done the maths?

For term time only I get £6632.62pa (£552pcm), but I'm not sure what the 43.2421 figure is, I had expected that to be nearer 39. If it was adjusted to 39, the figure would be about £600 lower still. Maybe I'm got post lunchtime dimness. What is the 43.2421? Has she included your holiday pay in that.... hmmm - that would make sense.



The term time +1 figure is 38 weeks off plus 1, as apparantley if you chose this you would have to work 1 of the "holiday weeks"

The other is having the full 39 weeks off, and not having to work 1,
and yup all include my holidays, of 28 plus 8 bank hols. x

She did state that come april when the tax changes,that i wouldnt pay any tax on the salary, as it would be below :o) so im now going to fill in the necessary forms and see what the boss says x

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