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5y, 9m agoPosted 5 years, 9 months ago
Does anyone have a child starting secondary school in September ?
If so ,is it March 1st that we find out what school they have got ?
cheers
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5y, 9m agoPosted 5 years, 9 months ago
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#1
First week in March. Could be anytime according to my paperwork !!! How exciting !!
banned#2
Yup first week in March. Already know my youngest's..... (Sibbling rule)
#3
emmaelise
First week in March. Could be anytime according to my paperwork !!! How exciting !!


Thanks hun , thought i would ask here rather than digging out paperwork :D.....are you waiting to hear too ? if so did yours take the 11 + , my daighter did and so nervous to see if she gets the school she wants !
#4
No they didn't do the eleven + at her school, but I am waiting with baited breath to find out. We live directly behind the school I want her to go to. But it isn't always a foregone conclusion that she will go to it. It really annoyed me when i discovered that any statemented child will get a place over her, even if they live in a different village !
#5
guv
Yup first week in March. Already know my youngest's..... (Sibbling rule)


Cheers , although i remember the cock up they made when was son was starting reception at the school my daughter was already in and on April fools day i got a letter allocating him to a different school , i was like wtf , phoned them and turned out it was there error and because i worked at that school at the time, they thought my daughter was me , as we have the same initials and its there catchment school also oO
#6
emmaelise
No they didn't do the eleven + at her school, but I am waiting with baited breath to find out. We live directly behind the school I want her to go to. But it isn't always a foregone conclusion that she will go to it. It really annoyed me when i discovered that any statemented child will get a place over her, even if they live in a different village !


That must be so frustrating for you .........my daughter has took the 11+ , but i know she would rather go to her 2nd choice , which i am still happy with tbh as i think most of her friends ( who didnt take the exam ) will be going there and she has been friends with them since pre school , oh well will find out this week , ........nerve wracking , lol
banned#7
emmaelise
It really annoyed me when i discovered that any statemented child will get a place over her, even if they live in a different village !


It goes in order of preference....

Statemented kids
Sibbling
Proximity

Seems fair to me. Unless you have lots of statemented kids (and they are getting few and fair between these days) and lots of sibbling families, you shouldn't have a problem and could easily appeal and win if you found out someone lived further away and got a place over you. Relax... I'll wager if you live right next to the school, the place is yours.


shopstilldrops
emmaelise
First week in March. Could be anytime according to my paperwork !!! How exciting !!



Thanks hun , thought i would ask here rather than digging out paperwork :D.....are you waiting to hear too ? if so did yours take the 11 + , my daighter did and so nervous to see if she gets the school she wants !


Yes, waiting to hear. We only put one school down which his elder brother goes to. Unless there are 300 other brothers who all live closer, he's in. We're not in the slightest concerned. Last year only about 7% of places were sibbling and we are relatively close.
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Here in Derbyshire children in the catchment area without siblings at the school get preference over those outside the area who already have children there. Offer day is 1st March, as we applied online we received an email on 1st March last year telling us what school we had got, and a confirmation letter was also posted out on the 1st March. A friend in a different local authority had also applied online but they had to wait for a letter, their authority didn't send emails out. Good luck, hope you get the school you want.
banned#9
derbyshireterrier
Here in Derbyshire children in the catchment area without siblings at the school get preference over those outside the area who already have children there.


Eh?

Who determines what a catchment area is? I think I understand what you are saying. Certainly here in London, catchment would be within the same borough. Not sure if that applies here. I think Sibbling rule overrides proximity even in that?
#10
guv
derbyshireterrier
Here in Derbyshire children in the catchment area without siblings at the school get preference over those outside the area who already have children there.


Eh?

Who determines what a catchment area is? I think I understand what you are saying. Certainly here in London, catchment would be within the same borough. Not sure if that applies here. I think Sibbling rule overrides proximity even in that?


In the sticks it can work a bit differently. There is only one high school within the catchment area for our village. Catchment area is designated by the LEA. Simply lines drawn on a map.

Edited By: stewby on Feb 27, 2011 17:28
#11
stewby
guv
derbyshireterrier
Here in Derbyshire children in the catchment area without siblings at the school get preference over those outside the area who already have children there.
Eh?Who determines what a catchment area is? I think I understand what you are saying. Certainly here in London, catchment would be within the same borough. Not sure if that applies here. I think Sibbling rule overrides proximity even in that?
In the sticks it can work a bit differently. There is only one high school within the catchment area for our village. Catchment area is designated by the LEA. Simply lines drawn on a map.

Exactly that, lines drawn on a map, so your "normal area school" is not necessarily your nearest. But no, sibling rule doesn't take priority. Those living in the normal area (whether they have siblings at the school or not) take priority over those outside with siblings already at the school. Different areas do it differently and I know we are not the same as most of the country.
#12
derbyshireterrier
stewby
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derbyshireterrier
Here in Derbyshire children in the catchment area without siblings at the school get preference over those outside the area who already have children there.
Eh?Who determines what a catchment area is? I think I understand what you are saying. Certainly here in London, catchment would be within the same borough. Not sure if that applies here. I think Sibbling rule overrides proximity even in that?
In the sticks it can work a bit differently. There is only one high school within the catchment area for our village. Catchment area is designated by the LEA. Simply lines drawn on a map.


Exactly that, lines drawn on a map, so your "normal area school" is not necessarily your nearest. But no, sibling rule doesn't take priority. Those living in the normal area (whether they have siblings at the school or not) take priority over those outside with siblings already at the school. Different areas do it differently and I know we are not the same as most of the country.


Sounds exactly same as Leicestershire.
#13
stewby
derbyshireterrier
stewby
guv
derbyshireterrier
Here in Derbyshire children in the catchment area without siblings at the school get preference over those outside the area who already have children there.
Eh?Who determines what a catchment area is? I think I understand what you are saying. Certainly here in London, catchment would be within the same borough. Not sure if that applies here. I think Sibbling rule overrides proximity even in that?
In the sticks it can work a bit differently. There is only one high school within the catchment area for our village. Catchment area is designated by the LEA. Simply lines drawn on a map.


Exactly that, lines drawn on a map, so your "normal area school" is not necessarily your nearest. But no, sibling rule doesn't take priority. Those living in the normal area (whether they have siblings at the school or not) take priority over those outside with siblings already at the school. Different areas do it differently and I know we are not the same as most of the country.


Sounds exactly same as Leicestershire.


and Notts :)
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derbyshireterrier
stewby
guv
derbyshireterrier
Here in Derbyshire children in the catchment area without siblings at the school get preference over those outside the area who already have children there.
Eh?Who determines what a catchment area is? I think I understand what you are saying. Certainly here in London, catchment would be within the same borough. Not sure if that applies here. I think Sibbling rule overrides proximity even in that?
In the sticks it can work a bit differently. There is only one high school within the catchment area for our village. Catchment area is designated by the LEA. Simply lines drawn on a map.


Exactly that, lines drawn on a map, so your "normal area school" is not necessarily your nearest. But no, sibling rule doesn't take priority. Those living in the normal area (whether they have siblings at the school or not) take priority over those outside with siblings already at the school. Different areas do it differently and I know we are not the same as most of the country.


Different here in Peterborough. First priority goes to those in care/foster homes and those who are disabled, then it's siblings and then finally catchment area.

Be easier if they all operated the same rules.
banned#15
Syzable


Different here in Peterborough. First priority goes to those in care/foster homes and those who are disabled, then it's siblings and then finally catchment area.

Be easier if they all operated the same rules.


I forgot about LAC... They are second on the priority list after Statemented kids in London
#16
just googled it but cant firure it out, so here's stupid question:

whats a statemented child?
banned 1 Like #17
magicbeans
just googled it but cant firure it out, so here's stupid question:

whats a statemented child?


LOL.... I think you need one MB!


Statement of educational needs..... (SEN)

(As it happens I was the SEN governor)

The extra care varies upon case and by severity ..... and how loudly the parents have shouted.

The kid has a legal status for provision according to whats on the statement. Obviously LEAs would rather that not be the case. So now, only kids with really severe learning difficulties will be considered.

My eldest is autistic. I shouted very very loudly. We got him into a pre nursery school that even by the time he left, they said there wouldnt be a chance in hell he'd get a place. Now... pffft not even a slim chance he'd be put forward.

Each year, there is a review of that statement. The help can increase or decrease depending on how things have gone. Mostly, it will be recorded as number of hours access will be granted for a support assistant. Currently my littlun is up to the second highest level. I would say we've been lucky, but luck doesnt come into it. You may have notced... I dont let things drop. They give in, in the end and say FFS just give him what he wants to get him to STFU.

I think that covers it.X)
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guv
magicbeans
just googled it but cant firure it out, so here's stupid question:

whats a statemented child?


LOL.... I think you need one MB!


Statement of educational needs..... (SEN)

(As it happens I was the SEN governor)

The extra care varies upon case and by severity ..... and how loudly the parents have shouted.

The kid has a legal status for provision according to whats on the statement. Obviously LEAs would rather that not be the case. So now, only kids with really severe learning difficulties will be considered.

My eldest is autistic. I shouted very very loudly. We got him into a pre nursery school that even by the time he left, they said there wouldnt be a chance in hell he'd get a place. Now... pffft not even a slim chance he'd be put forward.

Each year, there is a review of that statement. The help can increase or decrease depending on how things have gone. Mostly, it will be recorded as number of hours access will be granted for a support assistant. Currently my littlun is up to the second highest level. I would say we've been lucky, but luck doesnt come into it. You may have notced... I dont let things drop. They give in, in the end and say FFS just give him what he wants to get him to STFU.

I think that covers it.X)


aha i see....defo no point fighting it out with guv....u aint gonna win.

ok so basically...without being offensive, is there a set amount of places for kids with special needs that are fulfilled then everyone else. and without being horrible, and i do apologise, but isnt it difficult for kids who have special needs to keep up with the other kids...wouldnt it hold the class back.

im really sorry if i have offended anyone.
banned 1 Like #19
magicbeans
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aha i see....defo no point fighting it out with guv....u aint gonna win.

ok so basically...without being offensive, is there a set amount of places for kids with special needs that are fulfilled then everyone else. and without being horrible, and i do apologise, but isnt it difficult for kids who have special needs to keep up with the other kids...wouldnt it hold the class back.

im really sorry if i have offended anyone.


No offence taken... its a fact.. it does. Problem is, the government doesn't want to cough up for special needs schools (Theyve been closing them for yonks, despite the increase in SEN kids) and use the argument that integration is the best way and helps the kids.

I was heavily involved at Primary school level when they were closing my littluns unit in his primary school. Whilst successful in saving that and being assured by the director or education that his place was safe, within a year he was in mainstream. Reason... the kids in his unit basically were holding him back and he'd never learn in a class which was little more than childcare.

He's actually done well. Of course there have been problems - that goes with the territory. He's in year 8 ATM and in the bottom sets for everything.... but they're already thinking of upping this, which is great. Like most kids with SEN, social interaction is poor. Everything with autistic kids is pretty much always on their terms and they dont think of others particularly. In this area, he's actually doing really well and improving.
#20
Wow well done guv for saving his unit and him doing so well....i totally believe a lot of how kids do in school is how much effort parents put into making sure kids do their homework etc...

and with autisum i think it really depends on how much it effects a child.....my husbands nephew is autistic but blimey can that kid draw stuff.... he's a bright little one (in USA), some are very mildly affected, others more.

wasnt aware that govt was trying to shut special schools down..thats awful. guess thats why my froend from my middle kids class (he is pre school) is putting her son into a private school. he has a few special needs...i have asked her to tell me what! but she said teachers have advised her to put her in a different school., he does have someone doing 1-1 on him and stuff...she was so upset bless her...really felt for her as her older kid is in the yr below my eldest and her hubby is a doctor (in hosp for old ppl..whats the blooming name?!) so it can happen to anyone, so i dont wanna sound rude or arrogant, but u rlucky ur son is coping so so well and excelling ...but im sure not all kids will so that can be upsetting.
banned 1 Like #21
magicbeans
Wow well done guv for saving his unit and him doing so well....i totally believe a lot of how kids do in school is how much effort parents put into making sure kids do their homework etc...

and with autism i think it really depends on how much it effects a child.....my husbands nephew is autistic but blimey can that kid draw stuff.... he's a bright little one (in USA), some are very mildly affected, others more.

wasnt aware that govt was trying to shut special schools down..thats awful. guess thats why my froend from my middle kids class (he is pre school) is putting her son into a private school. he has a few special needs...i have asked her to tell me what! but she said teachers have advised her to put her in a different school., he does have someone doing 1-1 on him and stuff...she was so upset bless her...really felt for her as her older kid is in the yr below my eldest and her hubby is a doctor (in hosp for old ppl..whats the blooming name?!) so it can happen to anyone, so i dont wanna sound rude or arrogant, but u rlucky ur son is coping so so well and excelling ...but im sure not all kids will so that can be upsetting.


LOL... I wouldn't say he's excelling! And yes, he is made to do his homework - and believe me, it can be so frustrating with him just wanting to do the minimal amount and moaning that he cant do it - when he can, but just lazy!

It was hard work with the unit closure thing. I managed to get out Lib Dem Councilor on board and we formed a group of parents to go into battle. I was in the press all the time - and for once, (baring in mind the subject) I used my littlun to advantage - when we had a march and all the banners were out... and the press singled him out with his "Please dont close my brothers Class" banner. I managed to get onto the Policy Decision Scrutiny committee with the council (as a parent governor) and was getting onto the working party...until the council did a dirty and pushed things through without even going though our PDS with no one knowing about it. The full page headline in the front of the local was "Dad slams dirty sneaky politicians". Annoying as I was stitched up (id given the press a statement), but instead they chose to water down my remark that all politicians are dirty sneaky bar stewards. I wasnt invited onto the working party for some reason! But it was funny getting an email from the head of Bromley council saying "I've just read the comments attributed to you.. I am neither dirty, nor am I sneaky".... What a ****!

Anyway.... I had the last laugh with the council when I battled them over admission numbers in local schools. They did exactly the same trick again, but I took it to appeal with the schools adjudicator when they reduced our numbers.......And won........ Everyone had given up hope.... except me........

LOL up until last year, we still had an xmas card from the director of education each year!
#22
blooming heck wow! u didnt tk it lying down at all....which so many people do now....

haha u got an email saying im not dirty or sneaky....lolz!!

and getting frustrated with them when they are doing their h/w....thats ALL kids....especially around SATs time...... yikes!
#23
Do you know what ? I have filled in this form and am really hacked off with the whole system. No longer is it the case that a parent can pick there own child's school. Infact the local authority state in the packs that it is not an "automatic right" to pick for your child. The dictate where you can send them. In MOST cases you generally get the school you ask for, however I have friends with twins and they cannot assure the parents that their children will get into the same school.

I just get the hump with the fact that statemented children, although they are more needy CAN dictate where their kids go. Why do they get to do that ? What is so special about them that they have that priviledge ? in my opinion they should go through the same processes as everyone else.

I teach in a BSED school where all the children are statemented and am astounded at the money that is thrown at these kids. Admittedly they have been through the mill and in almost all cases have been excluded from mainstream, there must be nothing worse than having a child that is thrown out of school.

My daughters school is screaming out for books and they constantly send letters home for money and additional items. At my school the kids don't even have to pay for their annual activity week as it is given to them free of charge at a cost of approx £25,000 to the school.
banned#24
emmaelise
Do you know what ? I have filled in this form and am really hacked off with the whole system. No longer is it the case that a parent can pick there own child's school. Infact the local authority state in the packs that it is not an "automatic right" to pick for your child. The dictate where you can send them. In MOST cases you generally get the school you ask for, however I have friends with twins and they cannot assure the parents that their children will get into the same school.I just get the hump with the fact that statemented children, although they are more needy CAN dictate where their kids go. Why do they get to do that ? What is so special about them that they have that priviledge ? in my opinion they should go through the same processes as everyone else.I teach in a BSED school where all the children are statemented and am astounded at the money that is thrown at these kids. Admittedly they have been through the mill and in almost all cases have been excluded from mainstream, there must be nothing worse than having a child that is thrown out of school. My daughters school is screaming out for books and they constantly send letters home for money and additional items. At my school the kids don't even have to pay for their annual activity week as it is given to them free of charge at a cost of approx £25,000 to the school.


You seem to understand the term Special Needs, then not understand it in the same post!


I'd imagine most parents of kids with autism, would swap the dilema you are worrying about in a flash. Many secondary schools simply dont have the ability within them or make it clear statemented kids are not welcome (despite the money they bring) Its a restictive practice. The LEA recognise this, along with the raised concerns for LAC who also pip you in the priority matrix.
#25
Of course I understand the term special needs. You do not seem to understand the term BSED. Some of my children are on the autistic spectrum. MOST others have been damaged or abused or just plain naughty, generally as a result of the behaviour of other people around them.

My problem with this system is that when they come to our school we have to try and un-do what had happened to them and keep them in education. We are just a holding ground for the future inmates and offenders of this country.

In situations like this I get the hump, as the LEA throw money at these kids. When some of it is not deserved or earned. I believe in rewarding good behaviour, encouraging and nurturing.

I have every sympathy for parents with Autisic children, I am incredibly blessed. I just think that it is very easy for schools to label children with Autism. I also think that a statement should not give a parent an AUTOMATIC right to pick a school for their child.
banned#26
emmaelise
I also think that a statement should not give a parent an AUTOMATIC right to pick a school for their child.

It is remarkabily naive if you think parents of statemented kids get whatever they want. They don't.

In my sons final primary review, we were told the only school within the borough that the EdPsych would recommend was a school over 45 mins away but only had 2 places available per admission year. Obviously you must live in a location where your LEA gives seperate provision. Most don't, and the money allocated TO THE CHILD in mainstream, is used NOT JUST for the child, despite this actually breaking the law. Its a fact. We know this is a fact. His Classroom assistant is used by the class. If benefits the whole. I have no problem with this, though I suppose I could throw my rattle out of the pram instead.

I suppose I could have cried that someone else got "his place", or just look at alternatives. I'm guessing the fact that place provision is dwindleing and parents are being forced to use mainstream schools because of cutbacks has escaped your attention? Fact remains, nothing is AUTOMATIC. Most LEAs fight tooth and nail to not statement kids. This is certainly bourne out in my location by the fact my LEA has the most tribunal cases against them in the country.

Your post again, sends out mixed messages. It sounds like you are against special schools despite being employed within one (going by the midway house to prison comment) and are also against them in Mainstream unless the fact they have special needs can be ignored.

Kind of sad really.
#27
I agree that the children at my school are only there because they are not " welcome " at mainstream. Infact the mainstream system had failed them. Which is a shame. But then in the most part the reason it has failed them is because their behaviour is extreme and not accepted in society in general.

Statistics show that 76% of children that attend schools like mine do offend and end up serving some sort of custodial sentence. Either in prison or in some sort of medical unit. The system is not to blame for this, in 90 % of the case it is down to the carers or parents.

I do not think that parents of statemented children get whatever they want. What I was trying to say was statemented children that remain in mainstream education are obviously deemed as capable of being in mainstream education. Therefore ( although sadly for you, as this is not the case ) ALL schools should offer provision for their needs. It should not be a case that schools do not want statemented children and do not offer a placement facility for them. I personally think all children should be treated with the same consideration when it comes to secondary places. They should all start on the same platform.

A statement of educational needs should not matter to a school. In an ideal world it should not have to be presented by the parents until the selection process is over and done with.. THEN the school would have to seek provision.

I realise that some school do not admit statemented children as they think it will have a detrimental effect on their statistics and their achievements. I do not think this is acceptable.

My problem is that when they end up in a place like mine, they have money thrown at them from all direction as if it is some sort of pay off for the system letting them down.

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