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Security guard arrested in Trowbridge after 'shoplifter' dies.

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A security guard was arrested on suspicion of manslaughter after an alleged shoplifter was tackled to the ground and bled to death when bottles he was carrying smashed. The suspected thief also suffe… Read More
MrScotchBonnet Avatar
banned5m, 1w agoPosted 5 months, 1 week ago
A security guard was arrested on suspicion of manslaughter after an alleged shoplifter was tackled to the ground and bled to death when bottles he was carrying smashed.
The suspected thief also suffered a cardiac arrest in the altercation in The Shires car park in Trowbridge, Wiltshire, on Thursday afternoon.
He was treated by paramedics but died at the scene, police said.
The 20-year-old security guard, from Trowbridge, was arrested shortly after.

He was later released on unconditional bail.
Det Ch Insp Jeremy Carter said: "He tackled the suspected shoplifter causing a number of glass bottles he was concealing to smash.
"He suffered significant bleeding from which he died."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-38932180?SThisFB

Anyone in the security industry shed some light on this? I'm leaning towards tough you shouldn't steal. Are you actively encouraged to tackle suspects? if you are, what's he done wrong?
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banned5m, 1w agoPosted 5 months, 1 week ago
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I'm close to tears about this senseless waste of...



alcohol :(
17 Likes
If the guy doesn't steal he wouldn't be dead, give the security guard a medal I say!
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Feel sorry for the security guard Doing this job to risk getting stabbed daily with needles for 8 quid an hour but more than likely has more pride than to claim benefits and has to put up with scagheads and immigrants on the rob Hope the guard doesn't feel too guilty and manages to get a good nights sleep as no doubt his head will be wrecked. Toe rag thief just got his worth in my humble opinion

Edited By: livinthedream on Feb 11, 2017 18:52: x
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What's with the comments on race & immigrants?

What if the security operative is an immigrant / not white or...God forbid all of the above & a Muslim??

Honestly, this place.....
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stuarthanley
Error440
shadey12
anyone is allowed to use reasonable force to stop a crime being committed, or to hold someone until the police arrive (certain things have to be said) if the guy was running and you have started chasing him a rugby tackle would be reasonable. if you catch someone breaking into your house or running away you can stop them but you can't batter them, its all about reasonable force.
A rugby tackle is not reasonable on concrete, its dangerous enough on turf and that's well recognised.
If he'd stolen marshmallows, he'd still be alive. It was the stolen items that killed him.
Or been cultured enough to take a selection of soft cheeses to accompany the wine...

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http://www.inbrief.co.uk/employees/being-a-security-guard/

They seem to have the same power as any other member of public.
banned 4 Likes #2
kos1c
http://www.inbrief.co.uk/employees/being-a-security-guard/
They seem to have the same power as any other member of public.

I still think it seems harsh as he was only trying to do his job.
3 Likes #3
Seems to be a self inflicted death. I think they just need to decide if the force used was justified and reasonable.
17 Likes #4
If the guy doesn't steal he wouldn't be dead, give the security guard a medal I say!
4 Likes #5
what race was everyone involved so that The Guardian can rally a protest and a march...do cars require to be torched?
banned#6
Not enough detail to comment
1 Like #7
If the police did this would it be reasonable force and sensible? I guess a police officer would assess the risks:

Is there a danger to life? No.
Is the suspect likely to inflict harm on others due to my actions? No.
Is the suspect likely to be seriously injured due to my actions if I tackle them from behind whilst they're running and holding glass? ........

The above is the reason most companies do not allow staff to stop thieves? Liability over injuries caused by your actions vs theft of products.

Edited By: alltaken123 on Feb 11, 2017 18:49
1 Like #8
they have to arrest him to question him, he will not be charged.
15 Likes #9
Feel sorry for the security guard Doing this job to risk getting stabbed daily with needles for 8 quid an hour but more than likely has more pride than to claim benefits and has to put up with scagheads and immigrants on the rob Hope the guard doesn't feel too guilty and manages to get a good nights sleep as no doubt his head will be wrecked. Toe rag thief just got his worth in my humble opinion

Edited By: livinthedream on Feb 11, 2017 18:52: x
1 Like #10
alltaken123
If the police did this would it be reasonable force and sensible? I guess a police officer would assess the risks:

Is there a danger to life? No.
Is the suspect likely to inflict harm on others due to my actions? No.
Is the suspect likely to be seriously injured due to my actions if I tackle them from behind whilst they're running and holding glass? ........

The above is the reason most companies do not allow staff to stop thieves? Liability over injuries caused by your actions vs theft of products.


Or maybe they don't want their 8 quid an hour to get stabbed or jabbed with hiv needles ?
13 Likes #11
What's with the comments on race & immigrants?

What if the security operative is an immigrant / not white or...God forbid all of the above & a Muslim??

Honestly, this place.....
3 Likes #12
shadey12
they have to arrest him to question him, he will not be charged.


Hopefully not. End of day one less thief that isn't going to rob your gran
4 Likes #13
Unless he was threatening to "bottle" the security guard there certainly isn't a need to tackle a petty shoplifter to ground, with CCTV as it is why approach at all, just catch em next time they goto the shop.

I know shops in Oxford street pass on information about shoplifters to each other I'm surprised theirs not a national database that way any shop can catch them after knowing of a crime committed in another.

But the point is he didn't deserve to die for stealing some bottles, if you think he did deserve it then you must be in favour of cutting the hands off of shoplifters too.
2 Likes #14
I've come across some security guards who think they're ten-men and just want to throw their weight about. Had to complain to Smyths as the guy in there was threatening me telling me he wanted me to 'go outside'.. similar thing happened in Morrisons. (both occasions wanting to search my bag for no reason)

In my experience from talking to other security staff they don't have the authority to to 'tackle' thieves in this way and he should've known better in my opinion.
4 Likes #15
No idea what you are trying to say. Appears as though immigrants stole your entitlement to a proper education!

...bud

Edited By: Gollywood on Feb 11, 2017 19:02: ok
4 Likes #16
fuzzydunlop
I've come across some security guards who think they're ten-men and just want to throw their weight about. Had to complain to Smyths as the guy in there was threatening me telling me he wanted me to 'go outside'.. similar thing happened in Morrisons. (both occasions wanting to search my bag for no reason)
In my experience from talking to other security staff they don't have the authority to to 'tackle' thieves in this way and he should've known better in my opinion.


I remember in the job centre around the late 90s early 00s there was a guy threatening to burn the place down and the security guard was telling him to go on then
2 Likes #17
fuzzydunlop
I've come across some security guards who think they're ten-men and just want to throw their weight about. Had to complain to Smyths as the guy in there was threatening me telling me he wanted me to 'go outside'.. similar thing happened in Morrisons. (both occasions wanting to search my bag for no reason)
In my experience from talking to other security staff they don't have the authority to to 'tackle' thieves in this way and he should've known better in my opinion.
I agree with the proportionate approach, otherwise mercenaries would be policing the state.

I'm curious why you're treated the way you are at different shops? Any thoughts?
21 Likes #18
I'm close to tears about this senseless waste of...



alcohol :(
banned 1 Like #19
you haven't added the Full story!
the male was wanted for many robberies on that day! I can understand the urgency to catch him as he was at large but force was used to get him ASAP but this led to his death.

poor man
2 Likes #20
Perhaps the tealeaf died doing what he loved best. Sounds accidental.
5 Likes #21
livinthedream
Gollywood
No idea what you are trying to say. Appears as though immigrants stole your entitlement to a proper education!

...bud


Stole my education at least you made me laugh pal. You think we are all simple You would actually love what my education has enabled me to have in my life
Shove your race card up your jacksi


You played it...bud

What are you gonna do if the security guard was an immigrant / foreigner? Spontaneously combust?
banned 1 Like #22
sofiasar
you haven't added the Full story!
the male was wanted for many robberies on that day! I can understand the urgency to catch him as he was at large but force was used to get him ASAP but this led to his death.
poor man

Being wanted for many robberies that day unfortunately won't be taken into account. Thant's not a defence.
1 Like #23
alltaken123
fuzzydunlop
I've come across some security guards who think they're ten-men and just want to throw their weight about. Had to complain to Smyths as the guy in there was threatening me telling me he wanted me to 'go outside'.. similar thing happened in Morrisons. (both occasions wanting to search my bag for no reason)
In my experience from talking to other security staff they don't have the authority to to 'tackle' thieves in this way and he should've known better in my opinion.
I agree with the proportionate approach, otherwise mercenaries would be policing the state.
I'm curious why you're treated the way you are at different shops? Any thoughts?

I have an eating disorder which means I'm usually severely underweight. That's the only thing I can think of. Morrisons threw me out after I kicked up a fuss after being asked to search my bag on the shopfloor (in front of everyone).
banned 2 Likes #24
livinthedream
Toe rag thief just got his worth in my humble opinion

Humble?

having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's importance

lol
2 Likes #25
MrScotchBonnet
sofiasar
you haven't added the Full story!
the male was wanted for many robberies on that day! I can understand the urgency to catch him as he was at large but force was used to get him ASAP but this led to his death.
poor man
Being wanted for many robberies that day unfortunately won't be taken into account. Thant's not a defence.
It does give the discussion the full events.... But that depends on what you wanted from the thread.

Edited By: alltaken123 on Feb 11, 2017 19:17
banned 2 Likes #26
alltaken123
MrScotchBonnet
sofiasar
you haven't added the Full story!
the male was wanted for many robberies on that day! I can understand the urgency to catch him as he was at large but force was used to get him ASAP but this led to his death.
poor man
Being wanted for many robberies that day unfortunately won't be taken into account. Thant's not a defence.
It does give the discussion the full events....

Ok - I've linked to the article, wasn't going to copy and paste everything.
3 Likes #27
fuzzydunlop
alltaken123
fuzzydunlop
I've come across some security guards who think they're ten-men and just want to throw their weight about. Had to complain to Smyths as the guy in there was threatening me telling me he wanted me to 'go outside'.. similar thing happened in Morrisons. (both occasions wanting to search my bag for no reason)
In my experience from talking to other security staff they don't have the authority to to 'tackle' thieves in this way and he should've known better in my opinion.
I agree with the proportionate approach, otherwise mercenaries would be policing the state.
I'm curious why you're treated the way you are at different shops? Any thoughts?
I have an eating disorder which means I'm usually severely underweight. That's the only thing I can think of. Morrisons threw me out after I kicked up a fuss after being asked to search my bag on the shopfloor (in front of everyone).

I got followed round tesco once by a security guard it was really unsettling and obvious so i lft without buying anything, it was a really hot day and i was wearing a t-shirt and a ankle lengh linen skirt, I've been in that shop many times before and since so i think it was the long Gypsy style skirt.
banned 1 Like #28
alltaken123
MrScotchBonnet
sofiasar
you haven't added the Full story!
the male was wanted for many robberies on that day! I can understand the urgency to catch him as he was at large but force was used to get him ASAP but this led to his death.
poor man
Being wanted for many robberies that day unfortunately won't be taken into account. Thant's not a defence.
It does give the discussion the full events.... But that depends on what you wanted from the thread.

Just seen your edit - Tell me how the man being wanted for many robberies that day will have an impact on this case? it doesn't work like that.
2 Likes #29
fuzzydunlop
alltaken123
fuzzydunlop
I've come across some security guards who think they're ten-men and just want to throw their weight about. Had to complain to Smyths as the guy in there was threatening me telling me he wanted me to 'go outside'.. similar thing happened in Morrisons. (both occasions wanting to search my bag for no reason)
In my experience from talking to other security staff they don't have the authority to to 'tackle' thieves in this way and he should've known better in my opinion.
I agree with the proportionate approach, otherwise mercenaries would be policing the state.
I'm curious why you're treated the way you are at different shops? Any thoughts?
I have an eating disorder which means I'm usually severely underweight. That's the only thing I can think of. Morrisons threw me out after I kicked up a fuss after being asked to search my bag on the shopfloor (in front of everyone).
It sickens me. Profiling is often something security guards will use, but I'm sure you're respectable enough that if asked politely to follow them to a private area, quick search of bag, followed by a very large apology and the reasons why they did what they did, you would be understanding? Comes down to muppets doing jobs that require responsibility and more thought than, they look dodgy.
4 Likes #30
Regardless of either parties race, religion or immigration status.....

I'm of the opinion that if the individual hadn't committed a crime then he goes home alive, and that his actions directly resulted in his death.

But at the same time, theft shouldn't be punishable by death...
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YouDontWantToKnow
livinthedream
Toe rag thief just got his worth in my humble opinion

Humble?

having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's importance

lol


It appears 'livinthedream' is an advocate of a harsh form of Sharia law for theft!
4 Likes #32
anyone is allowed to use reasonable force to stop a crime being committed, or to hold someone until the police arrive (certain things have to be said) if the guy was running and you have started chasing him a rugby tackle would be reasonable. if you catch someone breaking into your house or running away you can stop them but you can't batter them, its all about reasonable force.
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MrScotchBonnet
alltaken123
MrScotchBonnet
sofiasar
you haven't added the Full story!
the male was wanted for many robberies on that day! I can understand the urgency to catch him as he was at large but force was used to get him ASAP but this led to his death.
poor man
Being wanted for many robberies that day unfortunately won't be taken into account. Thant's not a defence.
It does give the discussion the full events.... But that depends on what you wanted from the thread.
Just seen your edit - Tell me how the man being wanted for many robberies that day will have an impact on this case? it doesn't work like that.
It gives people the chance to comment on if the man should still have his hands chopped off, deserved to die, is wanted more so than a one time thief that day.

I'm saying it adds a lot to the thoughts of the people reading the events and their views, some will give an opinion on if it matters whether or not he was a one time thief, others will likely give a massive opinion on what should have happened and if he deserved the force applied.

My point is, it adds to the discussion.

Edited By: alltaken123 on Feb 11, 2017 19:25
1 Like #34
Gollywood
livinthedream
Gollywood
No idea what you are trying to say. Appears as though immigrants stole your entitlement to a proper education!

...bud


Stole my education at least you made me laugh pal. You think we are all simple You would actually love what my education has enabled me to have in my life
Shove your race card up your jacksi


You played it...bud

What are you gonna do if the security guard was an immigrant / foreigner? Spontaneously combust?


I didn't play Your race card. I merely stated that these 8 quid an hour guys have to risk a lot from Eastern European immigrants on trips with nothing to lose and also have the home grown smack head filthy dirty scum to put up with
Spontaneously combust ? Get out your own backside mate
Just telling it how it is as this story not about you and your self sorrowing pic crap It about the poor fella who didn't return home to his family today risking his life for 8 quid an hour regardless of whether he English Eastern European Pakistani Indian Jewish blah blah. To turn up to do that crap job for that crap pay obviously he has some self worth and is worth more than some dead thieving piece of crap
4 Likes #35
Gollywood
Regardless of either parties race, religion or immigration status.....
I'm of the opinion that if the individual hadn't committed a crime then he goes home alive, and that his actions directly resulted in his death.
But at the same time, theft shouldn't be punishable by death...

It wasn't his actions that directly resulted in his death it was the security guards.
1 Like #36
alltaken123
fuzzydunlop
alltaken123
fuzzydunlop
I've come across some security guards who think they're ten-men and just want to throw their weight about. Had to complain to Smyths as the guy in there was threatening me telling me he wanted me to 'go outside'.. similar thing happened in Morrisons. (both occasions wanting to search my bag for no reason)
In my experience from talking to other security staff they don't have the authority to to 'tackle' thieves in this way and he should've known better in my opinion.
I agree with the proportionate approach, otherwise mercenaries would be policing the state.
I'm curious why you're treated the way you are at different shops? Any thoughts?
I have an eating disorder which means I'm usually severely underweight. That's the only thing I can think of. Morrisons threw me out after I kicked up a fuss after being asked to search my bag on the shopfloor (in front of everyone).
It sickens me. Profiling is often something security guards will use, but I'm sure you're respectable enough that if asked politely to follow them to a private area, quick search of bag, followed by a very large apology and the reasons why they did what they did, you would be understanding? Comes down to muppets doing jobs that require responsibility and more thought than, they look dodgy.

Exactly I'm aware of how I look it was the their attitude more than anything else. Not saying I'd be happy but if they handled it in the way you say (which is what they're supposed to I assume) then I wouldn't have such a problem. I'm used to it by now.
7 Likes #37
shadey12
anyone is allowed to use reasonable force to stop a crime being committed, or to hold someone until the police arrive (certain things have to be said) if the guy was running and you have started chasing him a rugby tackle would be reasonable. if you catch someone breaking into your house or running away you can stop them but you can't batter them, its all about reasonable force.

A rugby tackle is not reasonable on concrete, its dangerous enough on turf and that's well recognised.
1 Like #38
fuzzydunlop
alltaken123
fuzzydunlop
I've come across some security guards who think they're ten-men and just want to throw their weight about. Had to complain to Smyths as the guy in there was threatening me telling me he wanted me to 'go outside'.. similar thing happened in Morrisons. (both occasions wanting to search my bag for no reason)
In my experience from talking to other security staff they don't have the authority to to 'tackle' thieves in this way and he should've known better in my opinion.
I agree with the proportionate approach, otherwise mercenaries would be policing the state.
I'm curious why you're treated the way you are at different shops? Any thoughts?

I have an eating disorder which means I'm usually severely underweight. That's the only thing I can think of. Morrisons threw me out after I kicked up a fuss after being asked to search my bag on the shopfloor (in front of everyone).


it should be taken into account on the basis of "whole truth" - why does the law favour the criminal???
2 Likes #39
sofiasar
you haven't added the Full story!
the male was wanted for many robberies on that day! I can understand the urgency to catch him as he was at large but force was used to get him ASAP but this led to his death.
poor man

Where was that story? He hasn't committed any robberies from what I have read?
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