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Selling purely for profit on the "For Sale Or Trade" forum

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I've occasionally noticed that when people are obviously selling something purely for profit on the "For Sale Or Trade" forum, they often receive comments such as : "Rip-Off !" "This is the Hot-Deal… Read More
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1d, 6m agoPosted 1 decade, 6 months ago
I've occasionally noticed that when people are obviously selling something purely for profit on the "For Sale Or Trade" forum, they often receive comments such as :

"Rip-Off !"

"This is the Hot-Deals site, you've obviously bought that purely to sell on at a profit, I think the mods should remove your thread"

That sort of thing...

This is especially the case recently concerning the PS3 & Nintendo Wii.

Anyway, here's my question/point of view :

I always thought that the Hot-Deals part of this site was the main focus, and that if you post a deal on that section of the site, it should indeed be a bargain.

When it comes to the "For Sale Or Trade" forum though, I assumed this was basically like a typical classified section in a newspaper etc.

In other words, people should be allowed to advertise what they want for whatever price they want, regardless of whether they're blatantly trying to make a profit or not.
I haven't read the guidelines for this forum, but I very much doubt there's any rule along the lines of "You may not sell an item if you've bought it with the sole intent to instantly re-sell it for profit".
Also, I haven't seen any of these threads removed, so I presume they're allowed within the site guidelines.

I just find the amount of flack they receive a bit strange, and don't understand why people get so worked up.
If you don't like the price they're asking, you can just ignore the thread, no-one's forcing you to buy the item after all !

Just wondered what other peoples thoughts were on this subject.
Bear in mind that the main point here is that I see the "For Sale Or Trade" forum as being separate from the main "Hot Deals" section.
Hot Deals is for bargains, For Sale Or Trade is "offer what you like at whatever price you like" as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, I should probably point out that I've never tried to sell an item under these circumstances, I was just curious as to why some people object to it.
Only added this bit since I don't want to receive negative rep for simply asking a question & stating a point of view (something that happens here occassionally according to other threads I've read).
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1d, 6m agoPosted 1 decade, 6 months ago
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#1
It's a tough one to call. I can understand why people are filled with rage and feel the need to let the forum know though, because this technically is a money saving site. I would agree though that people should simply ignore the thread if the offer made is not satisfactory.

At the end of the day, if the buyer is happy to pay the price offered then who cares? Given that this situation largely arises simply due to sales of new and out of stock gaming consoles I don't think there's any need to impose on the situation. I think we could argue amongst ourselves for days about whether or not it is in the spirit of the forum to allow this practice to continue but I think the points I have illustrated are valid and true.
#2
It's difficult not to comment if you know that the item for sale can be purchased at a cheaper price at a retailer...or for slightly more they could purchase brand new.....I think we have a duty to pass on this advice.
#3
I think people will know how much these items are anyway. BUT these are high demand items. Why would any person in their right minds sell it to someone on here for the retail price, rather than sell it to someone else who's willing to pay double.

It's called having them by the balls. That's what christmas is and always has been (at least recently) all about.

I sold a couple of HD DVD drives for the xbox 360 on ebay making over £100 profit easy. I could have sold them on here as I had offers in PM by people asking me to sell to them for retail price.

Thing is, unless I knew them personally, why would I? I have bought these and spent my money knowing I am going to sell them for a profit. Not my fault if someone else waits until 2 days before crimbo and tries to get one? Those are the people I sell to.

Wheres theres a market, the market decides the price, not the retailers.
#4
Yes it is more like a newspaper classified ad and people should make up their own minds whether to buy or not.

There are measures being introduced that should help its direction. As for the over pricing, that's something I don't like to see myself, but one post stating it's overpriced should suffice, not lots of abusive comments or enticement into thread crapping.
banned#5
I personally think that there are always going to be two sides to every coin and no matter if your in the for or against you cant win.

Those who buy items ie ps3 or such like to try to make a massive profit are always going to get flamed as the motive for the sale is always pure greed, I now note the ammount of wii`s that are available and funny enough they are not really selling, points out that people are getting wise to the get rich fast profit brigade, and as we live in a free market good luck to them, certinly hats off to the odd one or two who are trying to shift them at cost price, as for the rest, ho hum as stocks appear and there goes your profit.. :giggle:

Still I still say for this site should be hot deals and its always a mine of information my first port of call if I need the odd 50p voucher from cd wow etc, as for the get rich quick lot, always good for a flame or two :giggle: .

anyway have a happy christmas :santa: and most of all DONT drink and Drive
1 Like #6
how bout the admins make a written rule that nothing can be listed over RRP price

like av forums lol
#7
Not just av forums, many others - it discourages this behaviour where people seem to lap up as many items just to sell them on, just look at the laughable attach rate for games sold with PS3 consoles.

While the for sale forum is separate to the main one, I think it's still out of the spirit of the forum to be profiteering as some people do - I've been told by people here that I'd do the same if I had that item for sale but not at all. I received my Wii on launch but since I've been busy and there's not much I want for it right now I've not opened it. My younger brother on the other hand is desperate for one and hasn't been able to get one in the shops, rather than sell it on ebay for a huge profit I've given it to him as I felt rather guilty that I had the item he really wanted for Christmas and wasn't even using it. I think particularly this time of year it's quite poor to be selling these consoles at an inflated price simply because someone managed to get more preorders in, depriving those who genuinely want one.

John
#8
That's your brother though, most people would do that for a loved one...random people on Internet forums are not loved ones.

It's ludicrous to go into these threads and see the OP with red negative boxes and posts and posts of insults directed at them. It's the same as with people slagging off others for 'abusing' the reputation system, no one is abusing anything they are just doing what the forum allows them to do...this forum has a 'buy/sell/trade' section that allows people to sell whatever they want for however much they want, if people don't like that I think they should direct the anger/comments towards the forum rather than the people who do it.

If I went in a store to look for an item I wanted and felt it was too much, I'd turn around, walk out and try elsewhere...I wouldn't go up to the staff and complain to them and leave a sticker on the door on my way out saying they suck!
#9
Plus no one has a go at stores for making a profit. Yet when it comes to an individual, it's deemed that an individual shouldn't make profit.

These items they are inflated are inflated for one reason and one reason only. They are in high demand. I put my HD DVD drives on ebay for 99p. I didnt force the buyers to pay nearly £200 for each. That was up to them. I had en abusive e-mail on ebay saying I'm trying to profit at the time of good will. Sure, I knew I would profit, but I could have also lost. The price paid was the price the buyer was willing to pay. He's happy, even sent me a personal e-mail when he got it saying 'thank you so much, will be an excellent christmas present.

So, should I have sold it for £129 like I got it for? It went for £171 plus £20 postage.
#10
Starlet
That's your brother though, most people would do that for a loved one...random people on Internet forums are not loved ones.

It's ludicrous to go into these threads and see the OP with red negative boxes and posts and posts of insults directed at them. It's the same as with people slagging off others for 'abusing' the reputation system, no one is abusing anything they are just doing what the forum allows them to do...this forum has a 'buy/sell/trade' section that allows people to sell whatever they want for however much they want, if people don't like that I think they should direct the anger/comments towards the forum rather than the people who do it.

If I went in a store to look for an item I wanted and felt it was too much, I'd turn around, walk out and try elsewhere...I wouldn't go up to the staff and complain to them and leave a sticker on the door on my way out saying they suck!


If I was selling it, I would not be selling it at any profit - most of the time I sell items for less than they're worth so I don't feel guilty if anything happens to go wrong with the item.

John
#11
Imo i think there should be a limit on items being sold over the forum like Avforums have where the most you can sell items for is the rrp :-D
#12
I think the worst part of profiteering on a site like this is the idea that, while most members are trying to help each other get one item they really want at a better price, there are some who will follow the forum just to get lots of the good bargains and then sell them back to the helpful members. In my opinion, that's completely going against what this site is here for - to help other people.
For example, I saw someone who desperately wanted a Wii, and no matter how much he refreshed on Amazon, didn't manage, yet someone else got 3 just to sell on. Deals shouldn't be posted to help make money, they should be posted to help save it.

For every item that is bought to be sold on, one person who actually wanted it loses out. It's especially harsh at Christmas time, as parents won't always know to pre-order a hot item months in advance, and they're stuck in a horrible position of disappointing their kids, or spending a fortune because a huge amount of the supply has been taken out to be sold for twice the retail price.

I agree that a cap of RRP would be nice to see, if only because of the nature of this specific forum.
1 Like #13
Hmm, just came back to check on this thread since starting it yesterday.

Rayman has confirmed that the "For Sale or Trade" forum is basically the equivalent of a newspaper classified section.

In other words, people can advertise what they want for whatever price they want, and people can make up thier own minds.

I don't understand the "moral" argument.

I've never heard of anyone phoning up LOOT or thier local newspaper and saying "I saw a PS3 advert in your latest addition. He's asking way too much ! Can you remove it please, it offends me !"

I also agree with this statement, posted above :

"If I went in a store to look for an item I wanted and felt it was too much, I'd turn around, walk out and try elsewhere...I wouldn't go up to the staff and complain to them and leave a sticker on the door on my way out saying they suck!"

At the end of the day, this particular forum is separate from the main site. It's a standard classified section, so people shouldn't have to think about "community spirit".
It's always nice when they do of course, but if they just want to try and make some profit, good for them as far as I'm concerned.

It's not like they're forcing people to buy thier items, they're simply posting an item and a price, which others can simply embrace or ignore (free will and all that....).

It's basically a standard classified section and shouldn't have to follow any rules regarding how much you can ask for an item.
Also, each thread only takes up about an inch on the the main page, so it's not exactly hard to ignore it if you're not happy with the price.

I do agree that people should politely comment on the thread if they can provide details of where you can get the same item cheaper (in fact, I think this is a very good practice, and you can't do that with adverts in Loot or your local newspaper !),

but I just don't agree with the flaming that sometimes goes on.

As long as the rules of this forum state that people can offer what they want for whatever price they want, they should be able to do just that without receiving any flack.

Again, that's just what I feel, and again, I'd appreciate not receiving negative rep for simply stating my opinion :)

P.S. Just to confirm my position, I'll again state that, YES, the main hot-deals part of this site is here for people to post bargains to help people save money, and I applaud that.
The "For Sale Or Trade" forum is a different kettle of fish though IMO. It's for people to advertise what they want at whatever price they want, and as such, I don't feel that "moral" judgements should come into play on this particular forum.
#14
If someone wants £50 for an item, and i know where you can get it for £40, then i will always point them in the right direction as would most others.
Isn't that a normal reaction for this website?
You just can't pull the wool over anyones eyes on this site, thats the problem.
If people want to charge inflated prices there's other places to do it (ebay).
Just my opinion of course.
#15
I don't think the selling forum is a different kettle of fish and clearly many other people are the same - the forum is not separate from the main site either, where do you think all the deals come from? This is a community of people who help everyone else to get better prices so it's no surprise that the same community of users objects to profiteering.

John
#16
freedom of choice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if you want it then buy it

if you dont,,,,then dont......its a simple as that,,,no post bashing ect ect

the people doing the moaning are more likley the ones who had no intention what so ever in buying the product,,,,just spend their sad old lives trawling this site forums page looking for an argument.....personaly i would ban the moaners,,,,then life would be sweet :viking:
#17
This community is also very friendly and helpful, I notice the mods go out of their way to always thank people and welcome new members etc, so going into these thread and seeing someone getting abused, insulted, flamed and negged etc is equally, if not more, against the nature of this site imho.
#18
baldmonk
If someone wants £50 for an item, and i know where you can get it for £40, then i will always point them in the right direction as would most others.
Isn't that a normal reaction for this website?
You just can't pull the wool over anyones eyes on this site, thats the problem.
If people want to charge inflated prices there's other places to do it (ebay).
Just my opinion of course.


But this is the point isnt it?

Its christmas, consoles were released for christmas but as always with a lot of hype and not enough consoles.

Now sure, if someone was selling Right Guard Deodrant on here for a tenner a piece, we could say, erm, go into boots, you'll find it for £1.50 or whatever.

BUT, when someone is selling a PS3 or a Wii or whatever, we can't say 'go into comet and buy one' as there are non left. You could say go onto ebay, but you'll pay probably even more.

It's really very very simple, basic 'high in demand' products which push the price up.

You think we would all be paying so much for houses if 30% of the houses in the UK were empty? No. Doe's high demand drive the cost of houses up, yes, it's a major factor. Doe's people buying to develop push prices up? Yes, and they are buying to make a profit.

BUT as with the threads on here, the developers wouldn't buy to sell if there was not a market and there clearly is.

Same here, PS3 is in high demand, Wii was, HD DVD drives were, there was non, but there was a big market.

If anyone on this board is going to think that someone who went out of their way to bag one or more of these systems is then going to say 'I'll sell it to anyone on HUKD for the retail price' then they are beyond help. The seller would be absolutely insane to do something like that.
#19
And this does only seem to happen at this time of the year really. I can't remember many other sales during the year that were way above RRP.
#20
an the reason for that emmaj,,,,,,,,,supply in demand,,,,,but as normal they never supply enough.........and the reason for that.........the console makers,......you cant get better advertising than 300 people queing outside hmv on oxford street at midnite,,,to get there hands on a console,,,,,,an if he was one of the people queing for 6/7 hours to get a console in the freezing cold,that day.........fair play,,,i for one dont hold a grudge if he wants to make a few pounds on top,he deserves it,,,,and for those who are holding a grudge,,,,,i will gladly buy a console from you for rrp........now get off ur a***s and que up in the freezing cold for 7 hours then email me at [email protected]">[email protected]

many thanks

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