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Setting up a wireless home network - help please

pluves1 Avatar
9y, 10m agoPosted 9 years, 10 months ago
Where do I start?

Trying to set up a wireless home network so that I can share files and the one printer we have.

I think I may need additional hardware but, I'm not sure if I'm missing something.

Heres what I've got

Main PC (in upstairs bedroom/study) hard wired into Belkin 802.11g Cable Wireless router. Not sure what wifi kit this pc has built into it. How do I check without opening it? My printer is hard wired to this pc.

PC in kitchen. Sony VGC V2M (bought for looks rather than performance!) Also got a wireless Lan converter with this.

Both pcs can access the internet as I figured out how each could hook up to the router, one being hard wired and the other using the wireless lan converter.

Xbox 360 uses the Belkin to access the internet as well.

What I want to do is create a wireless network to share the files on both pcs and transfer files to and from each. Also would like the PC in kitchen to be able to print stuff to the printer (am I correct in my understanding that the Main PC has to be switched on to do this?)

About to replace printer (its an all in one) and was contemplating a wireless one. Any thoughts?

All help gratefully received:-D

My head hurts:?
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9y, 10m agoPosted 9 years, 10 months ago
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#2
you could go to pc world and buy a little bridge thing for your printer to make it wireless and just put it on the network.

i will see if i can find it.
1 Like #3
or ebuyer its called a wireless print server and then you wont need to have your upstairs pc on all the time to print from downstairs

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=120353&_LOC=UK

oh and by the way please dont shout at me if i am wrong.
#4
chambo, I'm glad you came along.:thumbsup: You seem to know what's what. The best I could do was find a link. :oops:
#5


My eyes are bleary from reading all the Microsoft help:?

I'm trying to understand the basics.

Router enables muliple connections to the internet acting as my gateway?

Can the router act as my network access point? Or are there special routers that do that?

Each pc seems to be able to connect to the internet or 'talk to the router'?

So why can each pc talk to/see each other?

I think the problem may the pc I'm sat at in that it aint wireless:? Cos its hardwired to the router. Do I simply need a wireless access network adaptor - one that plugs into usb? Will that enable this pc hard wired into router to see/talk to the one downstairs which has wireless lan converter and can connect to the router wirelessly?

Sorry lots of question there but, need to be sure of what hardware I need. This is what I have gleaned from information in above link and on Microsoft help pages when setting up a wireless network.
#6
Thanks for this info on the wireless printer server.

I'm shopping around for an all in one at the moment and this seems to make sense - or it will do once i figure out how to put the pcs on a network :-D
#7
all you do is use the "create small office network" (i think) within XP

or change domain/workgroup so there the same

as for the printer, attach it to the main PC > share it>then add it to the wireless computer >>>>> Add printer>from network >(type in [URL="file://\\{pcname}\PrinterShareName"]\\{pcname}\PrinterShareName[/URL]}

if you need any more help ill be willing to help, but im SURE you dont need any more hardware !

i know its harder creating a network with XP home but its doo able (i think haha) What OS do you have ?

HTH
#8
yes get a wireless usb adapter or a wireless pci card if you have a spare pci slot (i went for the usb option easier) then both PC's will be able to share stored media you will also be able to stream media to your wireless 360 but the all PC's will have to be switched on to share.
#9
chambo
yes get a wireless usb adapter or a wireless pci card if you have a spare pci slot (i went for the usb option easier) then both PC's will be able to share stored media you will also be able to stream media to your wireless 360 but the all PC's will have to be switched on to share.


The Xbox is already connect to the Internet, therfore already connect to the network :)

pluves1
Xbox 360 uses the Belkin to access the internet as well.
#10
big_anth
all you do is use the "create small office network" (i think) within XP

or change domain/workgroup so there the same

as for the printer, attach it to the main PC > share it>then add it to the wireless computer >>>>> Add printer>from network >(type in [URL="file://\\{pcname}\PrinterShareName"]\\{pcname}\PrinterShareName[/URL]}

if you need any more help ill be willing to help, but im SURE you dont need any more hardware !

i know its harder creating a network with XP home but its doo able (i think haha) What OS do you have ?

HTH

I tried that but got confused:?

I'm using XP Home Edition

Step by step wizard say either new network or add to network (I must have already set this up but it doesnt work yet!)

Then it say use a usb flash device - aint got one!
or set up manually - selected that.

It then says print off wireless network settings - done that. This has network name, network key - WEP, etc



It then says manually enter the network settings (that I printed off) in this order
wireless router or access point
then each computer

Where do I enter these?

Thought I'd have a look at router settings and these are below

In wireless router settings in dchp client list it has
main pc - shows ip address and mac address and the name i've given it
kitchen pc - same again
xbox - same again
but it also shows the lan that the kitchen pc is hooked up to which enables it to hook up to the internet (I think!)
In wireless section on router settings the 'use as access point' is disabled - is this right?

thank for assistance
#11
I dont really understand what your saying :) sorry haha

im a type of computer technician who likes to look and touch :p

At least the DHCP is picking up the computers, so there getting an IP address....

can the kitchen comp get connected to the internet ? if so then you network is almost setup

you will need to change workgroup/domain so there the same
#12
big_anth
I dont really understand what your saying :) sorry haha

im a type of computer technician who likes to look and touch :p

At least the DHCP is picking up the computers, so there getting an IP address....

can the kitchen comp get connected to the internet ? if so then you network is almost setup

you will need to change workgroup/domain so there the same

Edited original post to try and make it clearer.

not sure if I've acheived this!

Yes kitchen can connect to internet
As can XBOX 360

Tell me its not as simple as enabling router to act as access point.

Spent all bloody day trying stuff and running up and down stairs. Must have lost a few pounds!
#13
after re-reading it properly it sounds pretty much setup, jsut needs slightly configuring or a creation of a shared folder

What OS you using ??
#14
big_anth
after re-reading it properly it sounds pretty much setup, jsut needs slightly configuring or a creation of a shared folder

What OS you using ??

Using XP home edition with sp2

Something strange just happened when I enabled the router as an access point! All internet connections lost and I now cant access the router set up page which was at address 192.168.2.1:?

Had to reboot router and cable box to get main pc up and running

Kitchen pc has now lost connection to internet!
#15
lets see of you get activity between the 2

(after you put it back onto router mode :p)

turn off Windows firewall (this can causes problems..)

Try pinging the other computer (start>run>type CMD>then type... ping 192.168.2.2 (or what ever the IP of the other coputer)

see if you get a responce

see if you can connect to the other machine....
start>run> [URL="file://\\computername\"]\\computername\[/URL] or computer IP [URL="file://\\192.168.1.2"]\\192.168.1.2[/URL]

see if any of this works !

Ps only 21 posts to 1000 :p hehe
#16
finally got router back in router mode
had to reset and start from scratch - only way I knew!

dchp list now includes only pc in kitchen:-(

haven't added xbox yet cos when reset router its gone back to factory default -this can wait

dont understand why main pc is now not on list - is this cos its hardwired?

and I dont seem to be able to see my Belkin router from this pc - never have done. can only see the ethernet card connection - is that right?

pinged. sent 4 packets lost 4
tried other suggestion with ip address no joy
#17
If your main PC & router still aren't talking to each other then reboot your PC & see if this fixes things (you need to do this as the PC's settings need 'rebooting' if the router's settings have changed, as the PC will still be configured with the old router's settings).
#18
chambo
yes get a wireless usb adapter or a wireless pci card if you have a spare pci slot (i went for the usb option easier) then both PC's will be able to share stored media you will also be able to stream media to your wireless 360 but the all PC's will have to be switched on to share.

I'm beginning to think I need this to get the main pc to talk to the other one wirelessly. this pc doesnt seem to have a wireless connection - hardwired to router.

Anyone else any thoughts before I blow cash on something I may not need? willing to try anything:oops:
#19
cis_groupie
If your main PC & router still aren't talking to each other then reboot your PC & see if this fixes things (you need to do this as the PC's settings need 'rebooting' if the router's settings have changed, as the PC will still be configured with the old router's settings).


Thanks for info. I got fed up yesterday and only just revisiting this gem today.

On router set up under DHCP list I can now see
This pc
kitchen pc
xbox

Just cant get pcs to share files
#20
The ability to share files bit is one of the options when you create your home network. On the PC that isn't sharing, check first of all that you have set the folders that you want to be shared to 'shared' (in Explore, right click on the folder & select "Sharing & Security" - under the "Sharing" tab, click on "Share this folder". Ignore any message about the folder name not being visible to some users - this is a throwback to old O/Ss where filename could only be 8 chars, not have spaces etc. Click on "OK"). You will need to wait a few minutes for the other devices to 'see' the folder.

If this doesn't work, then on the PC go through the steps of setting up your Home Network again; use the same Network & PC names so you will overwrite existing details. There is an option somewhere in the setup steps for enabling filesharing - I believe that this is by default set to 'No', so you will need to change it to 'Yes'. Once you've done that, reboot your PC & then reboot the router & you should be up & running.
#21
Hiya,
I thought I will join discussion. So everything is pretty straight forward. Whether the PC is connected to your router/AP wirelessly or hard wired it doesn't matter. The important thing is that it has IP, and that this IP is in the same network. So you have a printer connected to PC, which in turn is connected (through wire) to router. You make your printer a network printer(this means that printer will accept printing requests coming from network=other pc).
You go to Control Panel, click Printers and faxes. Right click on your printer ( I assume that you have your printer instaleld properly and you can print out from PC it is connected to) and choose Properties. Go to the sharing tab anc check share this this printer and enter the name you want to share it under(whatever you want). So now if everything is ok, your local printer became network printer.
now on any other PC in your network, from which you would like to print you need to add network printer. So again you go to this PC and control panel, printers and faxes and add printer (top right corner). You select 'A network printer, or a printer attached to another computer'. Now can be a bit harder. You have three options how to find your network printer. First one is the easiest one, but not always work. It just says to 'find a printer in the directory' which means look for a printer in the whole network. It it can find it thats great, you follow up with wizard and your installment is finished.
If first option is unsuccessful, you will need to obtain the ip of the PC where printer is connected directly to. (to get this click, start,run, cmd, ipconfig).
So when you have this ip, you will enter it with syntax shown in the example.
\\IP-of-PC-with-Printer\printer-name
Thrid option is similar but note that this time it is forward slash not backslash so it would be:
//P-of-PC-with-Printer/printer-name.

Now if you are successfull, you need to install network printer on each PC you want to print from!

One sentence about router/AP, it is your getway, so when you want to go outside to the internet, but it also a device, a hub which connect all other devices in your network.
In above example I assumed that all PC can communicate each other(ping), if not than there is probably a firewall running on them preventing the communication. So turn it off, at least for seeing if things work without security applied, and you then gradually enabling security to see at which point it stops working.
Filesharing it's also doable but sometimes its not working with default configuration, so if you want to know more about it, drop me an email to [email protected]">[email protected]
Hope that was helpful, at least a little bit.
#22
Thanks for the info mpawlik..I've learnt something that I may apply when I purchase a laptop.
#23
Hi
thanks for response. I've noted what you've said but, at the moment my main pc is the only one that can print. Can we come back to that at a later stage if I get stuck?
My problem is that whilst logged into the router I can see all pcs
when I set up network on network set up wizard on pc it doesnt seem to work.
I cant ping my main pc from other pc. i've turned off firewalls on all pcs.

Really appreciate your efforts but, gotta get back to the basics of why on my router I can see all pcs but they cant talk to each other? Do you know what I need to check? Obviously when setting up pc in kitchen I had to enter router wep code in wireless lan, also had to enter router wep on xbox so all wireless is working well.

One thing that did seem odd was the following
On my router DHCP list i can see the following
IP Address Host Name MAC Address
xxx.xxx.x.x VGCV2M xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
xxx.xxx.x.x PCWA-DE30 xxxxxx xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
xxx.xxx.x.x PluvesMainPC xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
xxx.xxx.x.x (null) xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx

1st one is pc in kitchen
2nd is the wireless lan connected to that pc its a sony thing came with the pc
3rd is where i'm typing this from
4th is xbox

Should the wireless lan show? The model no is as above

when using network wizard it says you need to enter network settings on each pc. tried doing manually and print off settings - but where do i input/replicate those settings or do I not need to do that?

Thanks again for help
#24
cis_groupie
The ability to share files bit is one of the options when you create your home network. On the PC that isn't sharing, check first of all that you have set the folders that you want to be shared to 'shared' (in Explore, right click on the folder & select "Sharing & Security" - under the "Sharing" tab, click on "Share this folder". Ignore any message about the folder name not being visible to some users - this is a throwback to old O/Ss where filename could only be 8 chars, not have spaces etc. Click on "OK"). You will need to wait a few minutes for the other devices to 'see' the folder.

If this doesn't work, then on the PC go through the steps of setting up your Home Network again; use the same Network & PC names so you will overwrite existing details. There is an option somewhere in the setup steps for enabling filesharing - I believe that this is by default set to 'No', so you will need to change it to 'Yes'. Once you've done that, reboot your PC & then reboot the router & you should be up & running.

I cant ping one pc to another. got ip of main as suggested above and went to kitchen pc. pinged and lost all 4 packets.

I think if i can figure out how to get one to ping I'll be home and dry.

At the moment my head is hurting!

thanks for the response
#25
pluves1 off topic but....what belkin adapter are using is the Wireless G Ethernet adaptor for your xbox 360 and is it any good.
#26
JdX360
pluves1 off topic but....what belkin adapter are using is the Wireless G Ethernet adaptor for your xbox 360 and is it any good.

Using Belkin router
genuine microsoft adaptor for the xbox 360
#27
Ok let's start with basics. I will try to answer your questions.
Router is a central device, when PC is powered up, it sends DHCP request(request for IP) for every network card is has enabled and set to automatically get IP(default option).It doesn't matter if it is wired network card or wireless card.
The router is running DHCP server(grants IPs)which responses to those requests.
The list you quote:

On my router DHCP list i can see the following
IP Address Host Name MAC Address
xxx.xxx.x.x VGCV2M xx : xx : xx : xx : xx : xx (made such spaces so emoticons do not mess up the view)
xxx.xxx.x.x PCWA-DE30 xx : xx : xx : xx : xx : xx
xxx.xxx.x.x PluvesMainPC xx : xx : xx : xx : xx : xx
xxx.xxx.x.x (null) xx : xx : xx : xx : xx : xx

1st one is pc in kitchen
2nd is the wireless lan connected to that pc its a sony thing came with the pc
3rd is where i'm typing this from
4th is xbox


So what does it mean. It is like record of what IPs were granted to which devices. In you example, first is the granted IP to the NIC, name of the NIC, and MAC address. So actually what is happeing?The particular MAC address is bonded to IP address.
But please note that this is like record, it may happen that entry is still there but communication to particular IP/Nic is no longer available.
So to answer your question. Yes wireless adapter should be also in DHCP lease table, after all it has leased its IP from DHCP server.


when using network wizard it says you need to enter network settings on each pc. tried doing manually and print off settings - but where do i input/replicate those settings or do I not need to do that?


I don't understand this one. If you are talking about wireless, then yes, you need to configure each PC with WEP password. But this is one time job. You also put the same password to router. It works on this idea: pc encrypt something with a password, and router decrypts with the same password.

If you are talking about PCs connected through cable, than you don't need to configure anything. In Windows default configuration PC should be able to communicate as long as DHCP works fine and is configured correctly(provide PC information where the gateway is).

Can you access the internet from all devices?If so, than this means that configuration is ok and that packets are just blocked on the way in local network. If you can't than it means that there is a problem somewhere between this PC and router(gateway).

Let me know, if that brought any light into 'your personal war' with machines ;)
#28
It might be worth also trying to check the settings on any firewall software you have installed as this gets in the way.

Also try this, go to

My Network Places > then on the left pane, under 'Network Tasks' click 'View Workgroup Computers'

Here you *should* see the other computers you have networked, if you don't you need to check the workgroup name of the computers you don't see.

Then double click on each and check if you can access them, if you can't the there is something, like software, getting in the way. If this is the case, then try disabling any firewall software on computers you can't access for a minute and try again.

Hope this helps, if it doesn't I'd be glad to help :thumbsup:
#29
mpawlik
Ok let's start with basics. I will try to answer your questions.
Router is a central device, when PC is powered up, it sends DHCP request(request for IP) for every network card is has enabled and set to automatically get IP(default option).It doesn't matter if it is wired network card or wireless card.
The router is running DHCP server(grants IPs)which responses to those requests.
The list you quote:


So what does it mean. It is like record of what IPs were granted to which devices. In you example, first is the granted IP to the NIC, name of the NIC, and MAC address. So actually what is happeing?The particular MAC address is bonded to IP address.
But please note that this is like record, it may happen that entry is still there but communication to particular IP/Nic is no longer available.
So to answer your question. Yes wireless adapter should be also in DHCP lease table, after all it has leased its IP from DHCP server.




I don't understand this one. If you are talking about wireless, then yes, you need to configure each PC with WEP password. But this is one time job. You also put the same password to router. It works on this idea: pc encrypt something with a password, and router decrypts with the same password.



If you are talking about PCs connected through cable, than you don't need to configure anything. In Windows default configuration PC should be able to communicate as long as DHCP works fine and is configured correctly(provide PC information where the gateway is).

Can you access the internet from all devices?If so, than this means that configuration is ok and that packets are just blocked on the way in local network. If you can't than it means that there is a problem somewhere between this PC and router(gateway).



Let me know, if that brought any light into 'your personal war' with machines ;)


You have all very useful info and helps my understanding. Thank you.

I would like to wireless network. I think I have a network as all pcs and xbox connect to the internet. I just cant see each pc from the other
Just need to be able to share files!

Where should I start next?
#30
kumaran
It might be worth also trying to check the settings on any firewall software you have installed as this gets in the way.

Also try this, go to

My Network Places > then on the left pane, under 'Network Tasks' click 'View Workgroup Computers'

Here you *should* see the other computers you have networked, if you don't you need to check the workgroup name of the computers you don't see.

Then double click on each and check if you can access them, if you can't the there is something, like software, getting in the way. If this is the case, then try disabling any firewall software on computers you can't access for a minute and try again.

Hope this helps, if it doesn't I'd be glad to help :thumbsup:



I can see the pcs in workgroup places - the one I'm sat at (kitchen) and the one upstairs. However when I double click on the one upstairs it gives me this message

\\mainpc is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the adminstrator of the server to find if you have access permissions.

The network path was not found.

Thanks for all your help so far:thumbsup:
#31
Sorry for this post if your questions have already been answered but I thought I would have my say :) as I'm not a big reader lol:whistling:

Do you have any shared files on any of these pc's?? I had an issue on my home network and all i had to do was share a directory or file on one of them for the others to see.

If you still have the problem with the Printer not printing? go to the pc it was originally installed on and go to printers. Right click it and select sharing. Once selected in here to share all the pc's will need to have this printer added to there printers setup. Go to printers add printer and select network, then find and you will be sorted. the only thing is that the PC with the printer installed on will have to be on for you to print. ( Saves money rather than buying a bridge / print server)

I have 1 main PC, 2 laptops, a psp, nintendo ds and PS2 all connecting to the internet at once sometimes but have printer setup on Main pc and laptops print no problem.
#32
OK, if you can see the PCs (even if you can't access them) then you're nearly there.

I would suugest that you disable all firewalls on all PCs (including the Microsoft Firewall); ignore the messages of doom & gloom as you do so. Then reboot all devices, so as to refresh all settings, connections etc. Check that the firewalls are still disabled, then try to access a shared folder on one PC from another device (through Explore/My Network Places - hopefully the other PC's shared folders will be visible).

If you can see & access the folders, then turn on the firewalls on the PCs; the firewall should then (hopefully) realise that there's other PCs on the same network & let them through. I actually use Zone Alarm as my firewall so I'm not sure about the exact messages/steps for the Microsoft firewall.
#33
Are you using simple sharing or advance one. Check if guest account is enabled. Windows doesn't like if account is without password so you better put something like 12345 for the login you try to get access on. If you using NTFS you may also want to grant permission on the security tab. If you have FAT file system than you won't have this tab.
and of course first share something before you want to access this resources/PC.
I know that sharing under windows may be tricky. I am using more advance sharing (not simple)and have separate login just for filesharing.
#34
forget it
#35
pluves1
I can see the pcs in workgroup places - the one I'm sat at (kitchen) and the one upstairs. However when I double click on the one upstairs it gives me this message

\\mainpc is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the adminstrator of the server to find if you have access permissions.

The network path was not found.


Pluves, disable the firewall temporarily - this should solve your problem. If so, you can switch your firewall back on and play about with the settings to let it allow the communication

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