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Shall I report neighbours for benefit fraud?

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A few things to note. First they have a 2 bedroom flat, and yet 4 people live there, as the 2 that rent the flat sublet. Plus they are on Disability benefit AND working full time, which is why they … Read More
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9y, 11m agoPosted 9 years, 11 months ago
A few things to note.

First they have a 2 bedroom flat, and yet 4 people live there, as the 2 that rent the flat sublet.

Plus they are on Disability benefit AND working full time, which is why they have so many parties, as they have loads of ectasy tablets

The 2 girls with disabilities just bought an XBOX360, and a bass guitar recently, have a 32" HD TV(Samsung no less) and have all night parties often.

I know all this as on Monday I had enough of their all night parties so I called Police, then the girls came up moaning that we called police, but then were nice and invited us around to their flat, which as I say had at least 20 Ectasy tablets around.

The excuse they gave for noise is they are moving in a few weeks(so what has their excuse been for last 5 months of noise!)

What I am worried about is if I report them now, they will know its me, if I leave it a few weeks it will too late as they will have moved.
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#1
If they know you've just reported them to the police they will probably gues it was you who reported them again. Just think about is it going to benefit you to report them as things may get abit nasty if you do
banned#2
If you think they're going to move shortly, why bother reporting them? Plenty of people do that sort of thing - Stopping the few near you isn't exactly going to help the nationwide problem. Limit your need to stopping the 'evil' people to your RPGing. :p

You shouldn't get involved with what has nothing to do with you... Unless it's totally unbearable and you think you can handle any problems. It'll be your own fault if you find yourself with problems as a result of reporting them, they don't sound like the sort of people who would react in a nice way!
#3
Everybody else has to pay (in tax) for them so why not report it?
banned#4
SK07
Everybody else has to pay (in tax) for them so why not report it?


Think you'll find we'd still be paying the same amount with or without them.

Reasons not to:

A) Way too many people do it. Stopping 1 or 2 isn't going to do anything other than create problems for the snitc...er, person who reported.

B) We live in a society where the best way to live is the most selfish way. Look after number 1 and close family friends, no-one else.

C) The TC already said he thinks they'll be moving away from him soon, taking their noisy parties elsewhere. If that's the case, the TC would be risking creating problems over nothing.
#5
The funny thing is, is im living on benefits right now(and living off savings from when I worked last year) as is my flatmate, why should I only get £35 a week and my flatmate £15 when these girls get full housing benefit, more money per week than us, and thats before they work or sublet. I should rephrase that better, im on a training course until I find work of my own choice, and am looking for legitimate work and they arent.

Oh and I didnt mention before they are being investigated for utility fraud(I picked letterby accident as it had no name on it) as their meter readings dont match up with what they have been using

When my flatmate was working part time he declared it,so much so that even though he left 5 weeks ago, he hasnt been paid by jobcentre yet(apart from £15 a week) as they say he could just be saying he left work when he did, and employer wont reply to letters to confirm leaving date, ho hum.

So benefit cheats get away with it and honest people dont, oh well.
banned#6
You got all those rare RPGs while living on benefits? O.O

ryouga
So benefit cheats get away with it and honest people dont, oh well.


Similar rule - Badies get the girl, goodies get nothing. Being honest generally doesn't do you much good.

And, to be perfectly honest, it wasn't smart for him to announce it if he was only working part time. Honesty and stupidity can sometimes go hand in hand.
#7
Nah I have had them for years(got Suikoden 2 on launch day!)

And he was honest working part time, especially as where he worked was 5 minutes walk from the Jobcentre! Same as when I worked, I worked part time fo 20 hours and declared it. Just not dishonest! Besides the employers asked for NI details so it would be hard to sign on still!
banned#8
I also got Suikoden II (randomly) when it was selling in ze shops. Still can't believe I knocked a full glass of milk over it, disc and all, just after buying it...

Didn't you list lots of NTSC PS1 RPGs? Assumed you would've got them off fleabay.
#9
When you say they have load of ecstasy tablets are you implying they sell, or are you just anti-drugs.
If they had them lying about then meh, they just take eccies and they arent exactly expensive lol. They would have the parties with or without them, so not seeing the significance.

To be honest, if they are moving i would leave it and save the hassle.
They might not do anything, but then you might be paying for new windows out of your £35 a week.

And declaring the part-time work.
Shoulda just got a cash in hand job, and saved all the hassle.

Good guys, and honest folk always come last.
If you follow all the rules to the letter, you just end up crapped on as you are finding out.
#10
Aion, are you saying cos a large amount of folk's do summat wrong, then it's socially acceptable? Is that right how i intepret what you say?

If that is the case then Lord help us all. Just cos the masses do wrong does not mean it is right and we should accept, turn a blind eye or just let them get on with it.

Imagine if you will, that what the neighbours of the OP are doing, is theft. Please leave your front doors and windows open in future and allow people to walk into your house to empty it.

They have drugs. I hope they only personal use and are abusing themselves therein and not supplying your relatives.

I would as folks have said, be careful reporting them but it really needs folks to stand up to other since the government won't and often the Police can't
#11
SK07
Everybody else has to pay (in tax) for them so why not report it?


Agreed :thumbsup:
1 Like #12
I can't believe why anyone would not report this.

Aion

Way too many people do it. Stopping 1 or 2 isn't going to do anything other than create problems for the snitc...er, person who reported.


You should look at it the other way round - there's way too many people not reporting it.

Aion

We live in a society where the best way to live is the most selfish way. Look after number 1 and close family friends, no-one else.

I can't believe the stupidity of that comment which is completely unjustified. If everyone had that attitude no one would have helped you with your problem you were having here
Aion

The TC already said he thinks they'll be moving away from him soon, taking their noisy parties elsewhere. If that's the case, the TC would be risking creating problems over nothing

Creating what problems? They have no way of knowing who reported it and it sounds like they're not the best of neighbours with their night parties and drug dealing.
banned 1 Like #13
What a sad indictment of the times we live in. Each and every one of us knows the right thing to do it´s called conscience. And turning a blind eye as some posters suggest is the very reason why this country has become so selfish and self centered over the last 20 years.

Seems to me it is time to start doing ¨the right thing¨and reclaim this once great country from those whose moral compass are dragging us all down.

Reporting one situation maybe does not make much difference but reporting 100,000 does.

If they are guilty, they are thieves.

My two cents.
1 Like #14
Nice of some of the people here to be so brave behind their keyboards, without of course a single thought for you and your safety.

As mentioned by someone sensible, they know you reported them to the police and they will know you reported them to the benefits agency.

If you are prepared to deal with the consequences then of course go ahead and report them. If they have parties, lot's of male friends and are suddenly having to go to court or lose benefits and money then the atmosphere will change and not for the better. Are you ready for that?

The government is turning us into a society of grasses and snitchers, when in reality it needs to sort itself out. It's not your job going around putting yourself in danger by doing their job. If they got the system right then these people wouldn't be screwing the system would they?

No the governments answer is to get the public to do their job and to change the points scoring system on the medical, so real disabled people suffer and the cheats prosper. When they should really employ more staff, have more home visits and give every person a case worker. I'm not saying that people should not report cheaters, it's just in this case you're going to get a lot more hassle than just some loud noise as a result.

Of course it's wrong for these people to be doing what they are doing and for your own safety if you had not already been sussed by them for phoning the police then you could go ahead with some anominity and report them. It's quite another thing to go ahead when they will know it is you.

The decision at the end of the day is yours, yes it is the right thing to do (report them) but is it worth it to you? As you metioned they are moving soon, if you are that bothered then wait a few months until they have moved, then report them. Giving their old address they can be easily traced.

Just a few extras, are you sure they are on disability benefit and not incapacity benefit? It's quite one thing to be claiming disability living allowance and completely different to be on incapacity benefit. Did you know that people can work 16 hours a week and still claim incapacity benefit? If the work is classed as therapeutic. The 16 hours is averaged out over a few months (I think) so you could work 24 hours one week and then 8 the next, if you see what I mean.

Here's an example of the work people can do while on incapacity benefit

“Therapeutic work” - claimants are allowed to work and claim benefit if the work is accepted as therapeutic

“Voluntary work” - claimants are allowed to undertake unpaid work without any impact upon benefits

“Incapacity earnings provision - ”claimants are allowed to work for small amounts of money without any impact upon benefits

“Work Trial” - claimants are allowed to try employment by filling a job vacancy for up to 15 working days. The claimant remains on benefit without wages though daily expenses are payable

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd5/141summ.asp

Here's an online form, it will give you an idea of the sort of questions they will ask.

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/
#15
Aion
If you think they're going to move shortly, why bother reporting them? Plenty of people do that sort of thing - Stopping the few near you isn't exactly going to help the nationwide problem.

Thats just a silly thing to say,thats like saying, i just got my car got broken into,but i wont report it becuse thousand of cars get broken into each day


If he does report them its a start to cleaning up this country

report them!
#16
2 ways to report them:

1. Wait for them to move then 'shop' them - with any luck they'll think it's new neighbours.

2. Stay friendly with them (or even more friendly), then 'shop' them - with any luck they won't suspect you if you're 'their friend'.

Either way, you should report them - and don't forget, it's all done anonymously, so they can only guess that it's you, & you can always deny it.
#17
The Police seem to pass the details on to anyone nowadays. I was driving my brand new (2 day old) car home one night and a crane was bouncing along the road spilling and splashing diesel from a drum on the top of it's platform. I dialled 999 to get him stopped because of the mess and trail he was leaving on the road. I also pointed out that my new car now had diesel on the windscreen and body work and I didn't think that was for good for any car old or new. Anyway when I got the chance I over took him and was gone.

About two hours after I got home the phone rang, "Hello, it's Andy here, the crane driver you reported to the police......" I thought OMG he knows where I live, what next?? but he was really nice and said he didn't know the tank was leaking and told me to get my car cleaned at the best washers around and he would foot the bill, which I thought was very nice, I told him it would not be necessary, I just wanted him to know what was going on and that I had already washed the car myself. But it could have gone the other way as well :w00t: so many the police are not the ones to rely on, but I think the Councils' keep any reports confidential.

Hope they move soon and give you some peace :thumbsup:
#18
me? i would ring crimestoppers and the benefit fraud line. simple. if they have that much drugs just laying around they are probably dealing. if you dont want to, pm me there address and names. i'll do it :thumbsup:
#19
If they are signing on ... I am guessing they will still be signing on when they move house. I doubt it would be much work for the benefits department to trace them when they move. Just make sure you have your facts right ...

About 25% of my wages go on Tax ... Don't like it :|
#20
Crazy1
About two hours after I got home the phone rang, "Hello, it's Andy here, the crane driver you reported to the police......"


OMG, That's terrible! :w00t:

But, all the same I do think the OP should report the neighbours, use a call box in another area, and do the right thing.

If they hadn't made your life miserable in the first place by being inconsiderate this matter wouldn't have arisen.
#21
Report them. As others have said, if everyone reported the one or two that they knew were de-frauding the benefits system then it follows that the number of people de-frauding the system would reduce. I'm also slightly bitter as i have a chronic pain disorder which is not recognised by the benefits system (i have been unable to work for 12 months, and cannot get any financial help as they consider fibromyalgia to be a "benign" condition which may go into remission for a couple of years at a time and therefore i do not qualify for help) so if these people are claiming it when they shouldn't be then it's unfair on the people who actually need it. I'm one of the lucky ones really because i have my family to support me but i also know of several people with FMS who have families of their own to support who are turned down for disability on account of them having this supposedly "benign" condition.
#22
If your reporting them to 'get your own back' then the answer is no.

A lot of people on here are making a bit on the side either through ebay, or cash in hand jobs. Would you report them too ?
#23
I personally wouldnt report them, i value my face too much :-)
Now if it was something that affected me personally then that would be different.
#24
Aion
Think you'll find we'd still be paying the same amount with or without them.

Reasons not to:

A) Way too many people do it. Stopping 1 or 2 isn't going to do anything other than create problems for the snitc...er, person who reported.

B) We live in a society where the best way to live is the most selfish way. Look after number 1 and close family friends, no-one else.

C) The TC already said he thinks they'll be moving away from him soon, taking their noisy parties elsewhere. If that's the case, the TC would be risking creating problems over nothing.


Much of what you say makes sense and is good advice but to say say 'Stopping 1 or 2 isn't going to do anything' is negative because 1 phone call can make all the difference. I would guess that people who report benefit fraud are not in the habit of disclosing there name.

Yes, family and friends but I like helping people if I can and if they need help. As an example, I wouldn't hestitate in helping up someone up who had fallen over but the amount of people who walked straight past an elderly woman before I got to her was shocking.

After a lack of discipline, another reason for a decline in society is selfishness. It's as if no one gives a s**t about anyone but themselves.

Personally, I believe in 'live and let live' and I don't poke my nose into other people's business. However, if my life was made so uncomfortable because of inconsiderate, selfish neighbours, I wouldn't hesitate in reporting them for anything. If no one does anything and stands up to these sort of people then they will continue to do so.
#25
I wouldn't report the either, You'd get twice as much hassle, Probably their old drug fueled mates kicking your door down, Smashing the windows etc.

But I would report them shortly after they leave, Then it will look like the new neighbours done it as they were fed up of the parties etc.
#26
How did you know the tablets were ecstasy?
#27
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#28
ryancs
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What use would that ranting fool do.
#29
stora
What use would that ranting fool do.

He would do what he does best "Rant":thumbsup:
#30
Aion
You got all those rare RPGs while living on benefits? O.O



Similar rule - Badies get the girl, goodies get nothing. Being honest generally doesn't do you much good.

And, to be perfectly honest, it wasn't smart for him to announce it if he was only working part time. Honesty and stupidity can sometimes go hand in hand.


Psychologically, honest people are happier people and most of us do have a conscience!

On the contrary, it's disonesty and stupidity that can often go hand in hand.
#31
ryouga
A few things to note.

First they have a 2 bedroom flat, and yet 4 people live there, as the 2 that rent the flat sublet.

Plus they are on Disability benefit AND working full time, which is why they have so many parties, as they have loads of ectasy tablets

The 2 girls with disabilities just bought an XBOX360, and a bass guitar recently, have a 32" HD TV(Samsung no less) and have all night parties often.

I know all this as on Monday I had enough of their all night parties so I called Police, then the girls came up moaning that we called police, but then were nice and invited us around to their flat, which as I say had at least 20 Ectasy tablets around.

The excuse they gave for noise is they are moving in a few weeks(so what has their excuse been for last 5 months of noise!)

What I am worried about is if I report them now, they will know its me, if I leave it a few weeks it will too late as they will have moved.


You can work full time and still be on DLA. DLA is assessed against a persons ability to do every day tasks, not on how much they earn. It depends on the type of work they are doing....... you wouldn't expect a builder to be claiming DLA and working because of the nature of the work.

Incapacity benefit. This is for people who cannot work due to illness. There are some examples though where people can work and claim Incap. Somene else has pointed out these erlier.


Do you know if the two people they are sub letting to are close friends or relatives? If they are then they are likely to be non-dependants. This means that a deduction would need to be made from the claimnts HB/CTB.

If they are not then they would be classed as boarders/lodgers. The rental income the claimants receive from these two would then be taken in to account when assessing the HB/CTB.

It maybe worth reporting to the local authority (council) that these people are living in the property undeclared. This will prompt the council to check their records and investigate if needed.

You can do this anonymously via your Council
banned#32
ryouga
Shall I report neighbours for benefit fraud?


It depends, am I your neighbour?
banned#33
Greg
I can't believe why anyone would not report this.


I feel honoured to be able to talk with a member of society willing to offer his wisdom on a forum, not brining any problems towards himself by doing so. People who risk so much online deserve praise.

Greg
You should look at it the other way round - there's way too many people not reporting it.


Think - Why do you think people don't bother to report benefit cheats?

A: The vast majority of society are selfish. No-one cares about what doesn't directly concern them.

I read a story about people leaving this lady to die in a supermarket. They were happy to take pictures and walk over her, yet no-one bothered to phone for an ambulance until 6 minutes after she'd collapsed...no-one even tried to help her.

Greg
I can't believe the stupidity of that comment which is completely unjustified. If everyone had that attitude no one would have helped you with your problem you were having here


Let me get this straight... You're attempting to compare people taking a few seconds to give advice to people they don't know online to people helping others in real life?

People do not mind giving advice and/or trying to help people online, there's no repercussions and not much effort involved. Helping people away from the keyboard, when your real identity and life is on the table, is very different from getting involved when you can make another account if you run into problems.

Greg
Creating what problems? They have no way of knowing who reported it and it sounds like they're not the best of neighbours with their night parties and drug dealing.


He phoned the police about them partying too loud. Who do you think they'll look at first if they get reported for being benefit cheats? :giggle:
banned#34
retropolis
Psychologically, honest people are happier people and most of us do have a conscience!

On the contrary, it's disonesty and stupidity that can often go hand in hand.


Honest people are happier? That would explain why most of the population suffer from depression. :)
banned#35
Aion
Honest people are happier? That would explain why most of the population suffer from depression. :)


I'm not depressed, just angry that I fell over my empty whiskey bottles.

Well that and the fact they're empty.
banned#36
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=red]get them reported " Rat on a rat" or crimestoppers :x [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
#37
Aion
You got all those rare RPGs while living on benefits? O.O



Similar rule - Badies get the girl, goodies get nothing. Being honest generally doesn't do you much good.

And, to be perfectly honest, it wasn't smart for him to announce it if he was only working part time. Honesty and stupidity can sometimes go hand in hand.


Badies generally end up dying in a pool of sharks or by falling off of a tall building.

Bubble them up. They deserve it (or get someone else to do it for you).
#38
Plenty of keyboard warriors on here today, what most of them fail to appreciate is that the initial poster is the one that will suffer the consequnces of any actions.

Benefit fraud is wrong, ok we can all agree on that. It can also end up in a custodial sentence, which of course in the right cases is appropriate. But is the fallout from possibly sending them to prison worth it if they are moving in a few weeks?

Suck it up for a few weeks, possibly months, if it still annoys you then do what you think best. At least they won't think it's you then.

Do anything now and you could be looking at the wrong end of a baseball bat in a few weeks and a much more complicated life.

Just realise that none of us on here live with the consequences and many that advocate 'grassing' would think again if they knew they would be the prime suspect in something like this.

Like I said, keyboard warriors, desktop heroes.
#39
Have you suggested a threesome? Could clear the air.
banned 1 Like #40
so turning a blind eye to fraud and possibly drug dealing ? is a good thing, yes thats one reason why some communties are going to rack and ruin because people live in fear from what they percieve to be bullies who think they are abouve the law.

Perhaps if people started to respect each other and realise the implications of their actions, that some neighbours who live in misery had have lived in misery deserve quality of life.

Its about time we got back to proper values, yes this is a very emotive subject and to those who work hard pay taxes etc dont like to see the pond life who sponge off the state, get away with it.

Yes keyboard what ever you want to call it, as one on the front line and going to see what misery folk like this can do to others, ring the social/tax/ whoever, they all have confidential lines ... but enough of the anti social behaviour and thinking of oneself like some always do.

How would you feel with it on YOUR doorstep ?

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