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Shimon Peres, the former Israeli prime minister, president and Nobel Peace Prize winner, has died at the age of 93. The Israeli statesman suffered a major stroke two weeks ago and died in hospital … Read More
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Shimon Peres, the former Israeli prime minister, president and Nobel Peace Prize winner, has died at the age of 93.

The Israeli statesman suffered a major stroke two weeks ago and died in hospital in Tel Aviv early on Wednesday.

Barack Obama, the US president, led the tributes as leaders past and present mourned the passing of Mr Peres.

"There are few people who we share this world with who change the course of human history, not just through their role in human events, but because they expand our moral imagination and force us to expect more of ourselves. My friend Shimon was one of those people," Mr Obama said in a White House statement.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was due to deliver a special address later, issued a statement of mourning: "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his wife Sara express deep personal sorrow over the passing of the nation's beloved former president, Shimon Peres."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/28/israels-former-president-shimon-peres-dies-after-suffering-strok/
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some look for peace even with their enemy, takes courage. A true leader in the face of terrorism.
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I would suggest that at that time in 1996, Peres was busy dealing with the almost daily suicide attacks in Israel.

Naftali Bennett was the commander of the Israeli special forces that ordered the attack after coming under heavy fire from Hezbollah mortars from the area hit by Israeli warplanes.

A tragic event recognised by Peres which I find difficult to understand how one can think it ought to attributed to him personally. War is not nice, never has been, never will be.


Edited By: cchopps on Sep 29, 2016 04:50
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bensands
The point I'm making is that he was not this white dove that he is being painted as. It grates. http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.744906?v=17A6C99F2C32EDA5082585C2797B9E31

Is anyone whiter than white? The same could be said of the man he was trying to make peace with.
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bensands
The point I'm making is that he was not this white dove that he is being painted as. It grates. http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.744906?v=17A6C99F2C32EDA5082585C2797B9E31

How can you expect a leader of a nation to be a 'white dove' when that nation is continually warring with its neighbours. For your information Hezbollah chose to lob missiles into Northern Israel at the exact same time as Israel was dealing with problems within its land from Palestinian terrorists. Hamas and Hezbollah have opposing ideologies but Hezbollah initiated conflict thinking Israel was weak and could not defend 2 fronts. Also Hezbollah and Hamas had no interest in peace at the time and they knew by attacking Israel it would put paid to any slim chance of peace. Arafat at the time was being labelled a traitor for even daring to make peace.

Israel had continually called upon the Lebanese government to reign in Hezbollah and their activities on their Southern border, but the Israelis were met with 'we cs t control them'. If a sovereign state has terrorist activities within it's borders and states it can't do anything about it, it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be. 2 days prior to the tragic incident you have issue with Israel dropped 1000's of leaflets asking the local residents to move north so that they wouldn't get caught up in Israel's attempt to flush out Hezbollah. What happened was tragic, but time and time again a preferred tactic of Hezbollah and Hamas is to fire into Israel in areas close to heavily populated areas. A few days before the incident a UN worker was shot my a member of Hezbollah because he dared to tell them that their chosen location to fire rockets into Israel would put their camp in a perilous position from return fire. Hezbollah and Hamas may be underpowered by comparison to Israel but they're not daft. They know how to play the game.
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davewave
some look for peace even with their enemy, takes courage. A true leader in the face of terrorism.
Re-expressed in history as, "He was a true leader in building up war machinery and the state from very little. After he secured nuclear weapons that could destroy the enemy totally, which the state never admitted have, then he went for peace as a true leader."
#6
bensands
Ok educated myself. Sadly not quite the mensch. Totally get not speaking ill of dead but does whitewashing help? Says much about our world that proliferators of nukes can also win Nobel peace prizes.
It is true that so many states/statesmen have nukes have Nobel Peace prizes. Peace only comes with a prize!
#7
I remember a time reading the Readers' Digest, Lebanon was the Paris of the Middle East! until the nasty men used politics, the Readers' Digest article was a motor car tour journey from London all the way to the coast of Lebanon in tranquille settings.

Edited By: splender on Sep 29, 2016 10:05
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bensands
Ok educated myself. Sadly not quite the mensch. Totally get not speaking ill of dead but does whitewashing help? Says much about our world that proliferators of nukes can also win Nobel peace prizes.


Take a look at some of the 'winners'. EU is a personal favourite.
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bensands
cchopps
bensands
The point I'm making is that he was not this white dove that he is being painted as. It grates. http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.744906?v=17A6C99F2C32EDA5082585C2797B9E31
How can you expect a leader of a nation to be a 'white dove' when that nation is continually warring with its neighbours. For your information Hezbollah chose to lob missiles into Northern Israel at the exact same time as Israel was dealing with problems within its land from Palestinian terrorists. Hamas and Hezbollah have opposing ideologies but Hezbollah initiated conflict thinking Israel was weak and could not defend 2 fronts. Also Hezbollah and Hamas had no interest in peace at the time and they knew by attacking Israel it would put paid to any slim chance of peace. Arafat at the time was being labelled a traitor for even daring to make peace.
Israel had continually called upon the Lebanese government to reign in Hezbollah and their activities on their Southern border, but the Israelis were met with 'we cs t control them'. If a sovereign state has terrorist activities within it's borders and states it can't do anything about it, it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be. 2 days prior to the tragic incident you have issue with Israel dropped 1000's of leaflets asking the local residents to move north so that they wouldn't get caught up in Israel's attempt to flush out Hezbollah. What happened was tragic, but time and time again a preferred tactic of Hezbollah and Hamas is to fire into Israel in areas close to heavily populated areas. A few days before the incident a UN worker was shot my a member of Hezbollah because he dared to tell them that their chosen location to fire rockets into Israel would put their camp in a perilous position from return fire. Hezbollah and Hamas may be underpowered by comparison to Israel but they're not daft. They know how to play the game.
You sound like you have a horse in this race. Was it not electioneering? You should read both articles and respond to them. Written by more informed people.

You sound like you're desperate to denigrate the memory of this great peacemaker.

Mandela was a terrorist who at one time refused to abandon violence, Ghandi was a racist so lets forget the good they did in this world and focus all our attention on that. No? Why not? Is it because they are not Jews?
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bensands
The point I'm making is that he was not this white dove that he is being painted as. It grates. http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.744906?v=17A6C99F2C32EDA5082585C2797B9E31

From the same link you posted:

Shimon Peres Pursued Peace for the Sake of Israel's Values, and for Palestinians' Human Dignity
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.744950

Hawk to Dove, Pro-settlements to Pro-peace: Shimon Peres Was It All
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.744958

The Countless Contradictions of the Late and Great Shimon Peres
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.744735

Shimon Peres' Quixotic Battle for Israeli-Palestinian Peace
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.742411

Shimon Peres, the Eternal Immigrant
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.744682

I find it telling that you chose the one negative story to denigrate this great man.
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''Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas sent a letter of condolences to Mr Peres' family "expressing his sorrow and sadness".

"Peres was a partner in creating the peace of the brave with the late President Yasser Arafat and Prime Minister Rabin, and has made intensive efforts to reach a long-lasting peace since the Oslo agreement and until the last breath," a statement said.''
#12
bensands
Ok...it's obvious that some people have their own preconceived ideas and are not willing to entertain that a world public, for that is what he was, might not be universally praised. FYI I googled his name and the first link that came up at the time was the Robert Fisk article. A proper response does not involve pasting a page full of links. A page full of links criticising could also be generated. A proper response would be analyse the articles and respond to them. Don't shoot the messenger.
I am not sure if anyone is related to him and if so my condolences.
As an aside if you know who I am calling me antisemitic was absurd. Also please don't conflate comments about an Israeli public figure with anti Jewish sentiments.
Enough said

FYI I googled his name and the first link that came up at the time was the Robert Fisk article

So that's what you class as educating yourself, the first link in a Google search. You didn't think to read all the other links for a more balanced education the first gave you all you needed to denigrate the man.

Edited By: Fred Smith on Sep 30, 2016 00:42: edit
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Still think its odd that someone joins a site just to comment on a thread about Shimon Peres.

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