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Should assisted suicide be legalised?

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banned8y, 5m agoPosted 8 years, 5 months ago
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#1
Yes it should.
banned#2
this has been done a few times, all get locked or removed because people lose the control to be nice - lol

Personally i dont think it should be legalised
#3
No it should not
#4
Yes having watched both my bil and my mum die slow ,painful and degrading deaths, I firmly belive that if the individual wishes it then their choice should be respected.
banned#5
jennybubbles
Yes having watched both my bil and my mum die slow ,painful and degrading deaths, I firmly belive that if the individual wishes it then their choice should be respected.


yeh i agree, if there is no chance of them getting better and they want out. surely thats upto them. would be less painful for everyone.
#6
jennybubbles
Yes having watched both my bil and my mum die slow ,painful and degrading deaths, I firmly belive that if the individual wishes it then their choice should be respected.

Agreed....!
#7
DangerGod
yeh i agree, if there is no chance of them getting better and they want out. surely thats upto them. would be less painful for everyone.


we don't let animals suffer when there is no hope....Can't see why its so different for humans
#8
Absolutely not!
banned#9
DangerGod
yeh i agree, if there is no chance of them getting better and they want out. surely thats upto them. would be less painful for everyone.


and what about the vunerable how do you suggest these get protected from usually their own family, where do we draw the line? what about young children that have terminal illnesses who should make the decision on their lives? I believe if someone wants to commit suicide then so be it, but not legalise others to do it for them for reasons i have outlined, you will never be able to protect some from being forced down this road
#10
jennybubbles
Yes having watched both my bil and my mum die slow ,painful and degrading deaths, I firmly belive that if the individual wishes it then their choice should be respected.


Agree with you Jenny.:thumbsup:

Legalising it doesn't make it compulsory, so anybody who believes it should not be legalised has the choice to die without help.
#11
sassie
and what about the vunerable how do you suggest these get protected from usually their own family, where do we draw the line? what about young children that have terminal illnesses who should make the decision on their lives? I believe if someone wants to commit suicide then so be it, but not legalise others to do it for them for reasons i have outlined, you will never be able to protect some from being forced down this road


Thats a valid point sass and I totally see what your saying. But on the other hand when someone is in so much pain day in day out they beg you to let them die......there is NOTHING harder to hear
#12
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#13
rockyfella
Agree with you Jenny.:thumbsup:

Legalising it doesn't make it compulsory, so anybody who believes it should not be legalised has the choice to die without help.


Having worked in several nursing homes i definately agree, seeing someone die slowly without any dignity and in pain is not nice.
#14
it should be legalised whilst ensuring that there are safeguards to prevent abuse of the system
if an adult decides that they want their life to come to an end in a peaceful manner instead of going through a traumatic experience of taking months to die then that is their decision and should be respected
banned#15
jennybubbles
Thats a valid point sass and I totally see what your saying. But on the other hand when someone is in so much pain day in day out they beg you to let them die......there is NOTHING harder to hear


i also fully understand your points hun, but we have to protect the unerable, and i think legalising assisted suicide will aid more innocent vctims than it will for those who wish to die, yes many may be unable to do it themselves but many can and dont, they choose to ask their loved ones instead, i would be horrified if some who was able bodied asked me to assist them, again where do we draw the line
#16
Definitely - but there should be safeguards and it should only be open to those with terminal illnesses
banned#17
roryk83
it should be legalised whilst ensuring that there are safeguards to prevent abuse of the systemif an adult decides that they want their life to come to an end in a peaceful manner instead of going through a traumatic experience of taking months to die then that is their decision and should be respected


This would be impossible to enforce, saldy those that this would help are also the most vunerable out there
#18
I have met many people who have wanted to die because their pain was so intense. One lady got rhumatoid arthritis when she was in her late twenties. Her agony has been sad to see. She often said that she wanted to die rather than live another day in that condition. Twenty Five years later, although she is in a wheelchair, she is happy to be alive. Intense pain can distort the way we see things.
#19
Depends on the case, my choice, my rights.
#20
roryk83
it should be legalised whilst ensuring that there are safeguards to prevent abuse of the system


Agreed- there would have to be stringent safeguards in place- for adults I think almost certainly a living will style document stating their wish for assisted suicide, but how this would then work for children or vulnerable people I'm not sure. It's a very difficult and emotional subject.
#21
mrs skusey
Having worked in several nursing homes i definately agree, seeing someone die slowly without any dignity and in pain is not nice.


Does it not already happen? Maybe with a slightly stronger dose of morphine being administered, to that which is actually required?
banned#22
Predikuesi
I have met many people who have wanted to die because their pain was so intense. One lady got rhumatoid arthritis when she was in her late twenties. Her agony has been sad to see. She often said that she wanted to die rather than live another day in that condition. Twenty Five years later, although she is in a wheelchair, she is happy to be alive. Intense pain can distort the way we see things.


yes, and as said why would some people need assisted suicide when they are capable of doing it themselves, this is about putting the burden onto someone elses shoulders. People have terminal illnesses do tend to know that things are going to get bad, real bad, yet they dont take their own lives, why is that?
banned#23
choc1969
Depends on the case, my choice, my rights.


but is it your right to ask someone else to kill you?
#24
rockyfella
Does it not already happen? Maybe with a slightly stronger dose of morphine being administered, to that which is actually required?


Yes but could be done much earlier if legalised rather than leave it so late
#25
sassie;4156469
yes, and as said why would some people need assisted suicide when they are capable of doing it themselves, this is about putting the burden onto someone elses shoulders. People have terminal illnesses do tend to know that things are going to get bad, real bad, yet they dont take their own lives, why is that?


sassie;4156480
but is it your right to ask someone else to kill you?


I agree. No-one can really stop someone killing themselves, but to assist in doing so is murder.
#26
Predikuesi
I agree. No-one can really stop someone killing themselves, but to assist in doing so is murder.


But it wouldn't be murder if it was legalised!

Doctors could have the final say, and assist. Not just a relative or friend.
banned#27
rockyfella
But it wouldn't be murder if it was legalised!

Doctors could have the final say, and assist. Not just a relative or friend.


when i was in labour i would have done anything to be rid of the pain, i know it cant be compared, but people who are vunerable need to be protected, assisted suicide protects no one, people dont take their own lives because it isnt human nature to kill oneself, human nature is to protect ouselves at all costs
#28
rockyfella;4156705
But it wouldn't be murder if it was legalised!

Doctors could have the final say, and assist. Not just a relative or friend.


So then, rape wouldn't be rape if it was legalised! Legalising something doesn't make it right. Hitler legalised the execution of Down Syndrome people.
banned#29
sassie
when i was in labour i would have done anything to be rid of the pain, i know it cant be compared, but people who are vunerable need to be protected, assisted suicide protects no one, people dont take their own lives because it isnt human nature to kill oneself, human nature is to protect ouselves at all costs


Sas.... No one was suggesting you should be put down for having kids! :w00t::w00t:

Seriously though, I wouldn't subscribe to it unless there were complete safeguards and it would only be "legal" if those circumstances were met. ie a Terminally ill person in so much pain, and those whose quality of life because of disabilitating illnesses. It wouldnt be ok just because someone wanted to!
banned#30
tinkerbell28
The thing is though, some relatives may just not want the burden, people can be that cold hearted and dr's can get it wrong. Vunurable people could have their lives ended, where would it stop those that are terminally ill, or physically disabled as happened recently to that young man paralised or those who are mentally disabled? Where would the line stop, it send shivers down my spine tbh..............


exactly, we ahve to protect these people and push for better measure in caring for people like this, more hospices needed, more places for training in pain relief, making sure people live the rest of their days in as little discomfort as possible, it can be done, it is being done, but more is needed to make sure it is available to everyone
banned#31
guv
Sas.... No one was suggesting you should be put down for having kids! :w00t::w00t:

Seriously though, I wouldn't subscribe to it unless there were complete safeguards and it would only be "legal" if those circumstances were met. ie a Terminally ill person in so much pain, and those whose quality of life because of disabilitating illnesses. It wouldnt be ok just because someone wanted to!


So why not end your own life, why do you need someone else to do it?
[mod]#32
DEFINITELY not.
#33
What about elderly people that can be bedridden for several years with no quality of life that want to die but are not able to do it themselves? Being spoon fed, unable to control their bowels and bladders? Some have no visitors or very little, why shouldnt they have the choice if they are able to make it?
banned#34
mrs skusey
What about elderly people that can be bedridden for several years with no quality of life that want to die but are not able to do it themselves? Being spoon fed, unable to control their bowels and bladders? Some have no visitors or very little, why shouldnt they have the choice if they are able to make it?


if able bodied people arent taking their own lives, why should a law be passed for others to do it for them :?
#35
sassie
if able bodied people arent taking their own lives, why should a law be passed for others to do it for them :?


I am not saying the law should just be for bedridden people I am saying anyone should have the choice if they are terminally ill. Some people can be bedridden for several years before death and some do not want that, my grandmother didnt, she had discussed with my grandfather what she wanted if that situation arose, when it did we did what we could to make her death as painless and quick as possible and I think that was the right thing for her and the family that had to sit by her bedside and watch her suffer.
[mod]#36
It is not as easy to just say "lets legalise assisted suicide".
You would need to take into account mental capacity. How would you prove that someone had the mental capacity to ask someone to assist them in the ending of their life? Therefore did they have the mental capacity to decide that they want to end their life?
How would you prove to the jury/judge that this person wanted to die?
I do agree though that we wouldnt treat animals as we would ill humans but even still this happens and it will happen.
There will be too many repurcussions in legalising assisted suicide.
ECHR would definitely block this from happening.
What if there is a divide between a family and some believe their family member should be kept alive?

There are far too many implications here and this will conflict far too much with statutes already in place. I seriously can not see this happening in my lifetime or ever.
#37
magicjay1986
It is not as easy to just say "lets legalise assisted suicide".
You would need to take into account mental capacity. How would you prove that someone had the mental capacity to ask someone to assist them in the ending of their life? Therefore did they have the mental capacity to decide that they want to end their life?
How would you prove to the jury/judge that this person wanted to die?
I do agree though that we wouldnt treat animals as we would ill humans but even still this happens and it will happen.
There will be too many repurcussions in legalising assisted suicide.
ECHR would definitely block this from happening.
What if there is a divide between a family and some believe their family member should be kept alive?

There are far too many implications here and this will conflict far too much with statutes already in place. I seriously can not see this happening in my lifetime or ever.


I understand what you are saying and I dont think it will ever be legalised in this country as you are right, there are many things to consider. Its just not nice seeing someone who wants to die and has no quality of life being kept alive. There are arguments on both sides, I have my opinion and I respect yours.
#38
It already is.....

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#39
Sassie has said everything for me so I didnt have to. Also agree with Tinkerbell28 magicjay1986 and Predikuesi ITT.

Just remember that we are in harsh economic times with an ageing population and an increasing drugs bill.
I cannot say that I am in the position of constant ongoing pain but I have had periods when this has been the case. Pain relief changes your perspective and if pain is properly managed many peoples attitudes may be changed. Cannot possibly take away all risk of abuse should they decide to legalise suicide.
[mod]#40
mrs skusey
I understand what you are saying and I dont think it will ever be legalised in this country as you are right, there are many things to consider. Its just not nice seeing someone who wants to die and has no quality of life being kept alive. There are arguments on both sides, I have my opinion and I respect yours.


I also respect your opinion and you are right as I learnt recently, its not nice at all watching someone in such pain and agony.

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