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If GPs dont have time to tell each person who comes into the surgery about living healthily then could advertising through TV and Internet save the NHS money and save lives? Read More
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If GPs dont have time to tell each person who comes into the surgery about living healthily then could advertising through TV and Internet save the NHS money and save lives?
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Won't make a difference I don't think. Just like when they started putting the warnings on cigarette boxes. If people want to eat unhealthy/smoke/drink etc they will regardless of all the warnings or advice.

Edited By: Aiden1512 on Oct 20, 2016 08:04
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I respect that people work long hours and there's a huge amount of commuting involved nowadays, but cooking a healthy meal doesn't need to take hours. You can whip up a healthy, balanced meal in 15 minutes with minimal fuss and again it seems to be a lack of basic cooking knowledge.
Unfortunately it's looking like it's necessary for basic life skills to be taught in schools, such as cooking, financial management etc. because generations previous haven't bothered.
I also think we need to look at why certain regions have a bigger obesity problem than others. Here's a link to an article about obesity by regionhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10617126/Revealed-the-fattest-towns-and-cities-in-England.html
The north seems to have a far bigger issue with obesity whereas it seems like almost every one of the 25 least obese towns (it might actually be every one) is in London or the South-East. Maybe it's economic or attitudinal.
Their you go stereotyping again, You're a bully, the type of person that will label someone, that hardly helps.
You have been lucky to live a relatively privileged life, labeling people doesn't help anybody.
Um, who or what have I stereotyped in your opinion? Genuinely at a loss here.
You're labeling Northerners, Consistently across most of your posts you have some dig at Northerners, Why do you think their is such a divide?, You label someone and rather than aspire to be better you're putting them down, holding them back. Calling someone a fatty as an example isn't going to help that person. Diet and aspirations start from a young age. Deprived areas have little choice and unfortunately will opt for the easier lifestyle because that is all they know and what you've labelled them.
You're very fortunate, remember that.

Wap it on ignore, life is so much better. I haven't looked back.

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They already do...
4 Likes #2
i dont watch adverts
5 Likes #3
Won't make a difference I don't think. Just like when they started putting the warnings on cigarette boxes. If people want to eat unhealthy/smoke/drink etc they will regardless of all the warnings or advice.

Edited By: Aiden1512 on Oct 20, 2016 08:04
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RossD89
They already do...

They certainly used to

Edited By: cchopps on Oct 20, 2016 08:06
#5
Should government stop giving incentives to buy diesel vehicles,
which polute our towns and cities
#7
The same people who don't use, or don't have enough, common sense to look after their health, are unlikely to take any notice of health warnings on the media. Such people will continue to be a drain on the NHS.
#8
Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.

Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
#9
Why not make govt funded facilities more affordable and accessible eg in schools and leisure centres instead of millions wasted on useless schemes?
#10
People will get fat regardless, The more they eat the more tax they'll pay which will help towards the nhs costs, Same theory with smokers, Smokers pay tax which will help cover the nhs costs.

Car tax annoys me because the more fuel you use = the more tax you'll be paying, More economical car the less you'll be paying. The more economical the less harmful gasses released.

Back to food, the amount of sugar and salt in food is ridiculous, needs regulating better.
#11
Are people really that dumb that we have to tell them to eat healthy and keeping fit? Those type of people whom have to be told should be put down to stop them breading and save the country going backwards.
How about swapping Jeremy Kyle for a Zumba class that should sort out 95% of the people you are in about.
#12
You have to remember some obesity is caused by certain health conditions etc...
1 Like #13
hutchir9
Are people really that dumb that we have to tell them to eat healthy and keeping fit? Those type of people whom have to be told should be put down to stop them breading and save the country going backwards.
How about swapping Jeremy Kyle for a Zumba class that should sort out 95% of the people you are in about.

Yep. **** depressing isn't it?
1 Like #14
Theres too much 'junk science' being spewed out of the NHS and government.

Dietary fat and cholesterol myths and the like. All based on cherry picked studies. So my answer is no.

Edited By: Jack-L92 on Oct 20, 2016 09:27
1 Like #15
The advert break is when the fatties actually get up off the sofa to raid the biscuit tin etc, so they would miss any educational adverts about diet and health.

Subliminal messages in soap programmes such as EastEnders might do it.
1 Like #16
Mark2111

Subliminal messages in soap programmes such as EastEnders might do it.



You might be on to something? Phil Mitchell making a Kale and Lemongrass smoothie every now and then would be a start. Ian Beale doing Yoga? oO
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.

Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.

A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.

Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.

At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).

So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.

I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.


Edited By: CaptainSocks on Oct 20, 2016 09:44
3 Likes #18
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
A huge obesity crisis in no small part due to government / nhs advice for the last 40 + years ,to eat a high carb / low fat diet. 40 years of pushing high sugar and demonising perfectly healthy natural fats .
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CaptainSocks
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.
Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.
A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.
Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.
At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).
So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.
I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.
RE the vast majority are poor.
These are the people where all the family have mobile phones, sky TV, Xbox or ps4, at least 1 car, go abroad every year,down the pub every week,smoke and then go to the food bank or complain they have no money for food. GET your priorities sorted!!
#20
There's so much poor advice given about healthy eating and food companies cashing in with poorly labelled foods claiming to be healthy while actually being anything but. I can remember when the only fast food place in my local town was McDonalds, now you can't move for them.

I really can't see a solution here, I used to come back from holidays to Florida with tales of humungous people waddling around the parks, who needs to go to Florida now to see that. Invariably they're young and pushing push chairs, which is saddening as their metabolisms will never be as fast as they are now. It's a huge (no pun intended) problem not just now but for future generations.

One that political correctness will stop us trying to halt.
#21
Should the fried chicken/burger/pizza/Indian takeaways be limited maybe?
2 Likes #22
hutchir9
Are people really that dumb that we have to tell them to eat healthy and keeping fit?
A recent study shows that the extra life gained by keeping fit is exactly the time wasted by keeping fit.
1 Like #23
Makes me laugh with the labels, Fat free yogurt actually contains 0.1% fat, how do they get away with that?.
1 Like #24
Does anyone really care what the great unwashed eat or drink ? Seeing fat mingers with 4 kids waddling down to the cash point to withdraw their benefits to buy fags , drink , multipacks of crisps and sausage rolls is the way it is . No amount of advice , adverts etc will make the slightest difference. The additional health costs will be offset by the fact they won't live long enough to claim much pension . Just because the tax payer funds their lifestyle doesn't give us the right to tell them how to live it .
1 Like #25
shauneco
Makes me laugh with the labels, Fat free yogurt actually contains 0.1% fat, how do they get away with that?.
What they mean is you don't pay for the fat content and therefore it free.
#26
plodging
Does anyone really care what the great unwashed eat or drink ? Seeing fat mingers with 4 kids waddling down to the cash point to withdraw their benefits to buy fags , drink , multipacks of crisps and sausage rolls is the way it is . No amount of advice , adverts etc will make the slightest difference. The additional health costs will be offset by the fact they won't live long enough to claim much pension . Just because the tax payer funds their lifestyle doesn't give us the right to tell them how to live it .
Its not just the "great unwashed" as you put it, that has obesity problems, its endemic throughout society.
1 Like #27
shauneco
Makes me laugh with the labels, Fat free yogurt actually contains 0.1% fat, how do they get away with that?.

A bit like the new Lucozade zero sugar/calorie drink.

From their own website (and on the bottles):

Typical values per In a 380ml bottle: Energy 65kJ (15kcal), Fat 0g, Saturates 0g, Carbohydrate 1.9g, Sugars 1.9g, Protein 0.3g, Salt 0.12g

Edited By: RossD89 on Oct 20, 2016 10:28
#28
shauneco
Makes me laugh with the labels, Fat free yogurt actually contains 0.1% fat, how do they get away with that?.
why not? less than 0.5% alcohol by volume isn't even legally classes as alcohol - its about significance
the fat free usually just means extra sugar though anyway

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RossD89
shauneco
Makes me laugh with the labels, Fat free yogurt actually contains 0.1% fat, how do they get away with that?.
A bit like the new Lucozade zero sugar/calorie drink.

From their own website (and on the bottles):

Typical values per In a 380ml bottle: Energy 65kJ (15kcal), Fat 0g, Saturates 0g, Carbohydrate 1.9g, Sugars 1.9g, Protein 0.3g, Salt 0.12g
this is the same, its 0.5g oe 4 kcals per 100ml per volume so could be by that
it could also mean sucrose/glucose/fructose free as the artificial sweetner will certainly have a weight and be a sugar... but be less of it
going by the usual terminology it should maybe be calorie free though rather than 'zero calorie' as that states a specific figure


Edited By: brilly on Oct 20, 2016 10:35
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123thisisme
plodging
Does anyone really care what the great unwashed eat or drink ? Seeing fat mingers with 4 kids waddling down to the cash point to withdraw their benefits to buy fags , drink , multipacks of crisps and sausage rolls is the way it is . No amount of advice , adverts etc will make the slightest difference. The additional health costs will be offset by the fact they won't live long enough to claim much pension . Just because the tax payer funds their lifestyle doesn't give us the right to tell them how to live it .
Its not just the "great unwashed" as you put it, that has obesity problems, its endemic throughout society.
Accepted .. But the main problem is the poorer end of society . Look at the stats on life expectancy in more affluent areas and social groups
Food is relatively cheap .. Look at the deals on here , 40 packets of crisps £4 for example . Combined with people having to work long hours , both parents in many cases, leads to kids feeding themselves crap, leading to lifelong bad eating habits . It's a symptom of modern life and can't be cured by telling people to feed their children better.
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brilly
shauneco
Makes me laugh with the labels, Fat free yogurt actually contains 0.1% fat, how do they get away with that?.
why not? less than 0.5% alcohol by volume isn't even legally classes as alcohol - its about significance
the fat free usually just means extra sugar though anyway

Spot on. Same goes for zero calorie food stuffs which can contain a tiny number of calories per 100ml, which is virtually zero.

This is why we need greater education in schools about food and cooking, for both men and women.

Edited By: HotEnglishAndWelshDeals on Oct 20, 2016 10:38
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I wish people would stop getting on to fat people, they have a medical problem that's all.

It's known as 'overactive knife and fork' ;-)
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CaptainSocks
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.
Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.
A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.
Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.
At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).
So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.
I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.

I'm sorry, but saying people do not have time to make food from scratch is nonsense. It does not take long to make something that is far better for you than a ready meal. You can easily make cheap meals using much healthier ingredients but people are just too lazy to do so. Blaming others is just much easier to do.
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cdm22
CaptainSocks
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.
Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.
A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.
Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.
At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).
So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.
I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.
I'm sorry, but saying people do not have time to make food from scratch is nonsense. It does not take long to make something that is far better for you than a ready meal. You can easily make cheap meals using much healthier ingredients but people are just too lazy to do so. Blaming others is just much easier to do.
Have you seen some of the parents in the street .? They won't put their iPhones down , don't interract with their kids .. Making a meal from scratch ain't happening.food is a low low priority.
#34
cdm22
CaptainSocks
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.
Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.
A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.
Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.
At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).
So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.
I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.
I'm sorry, but saying people do not have time to make food from scratch is nonsense. It does not take long to make something that is far better for you than a ready meal. You can easily make cheap meals using much healthier ingredients but people are just too lazy to do so. Blaming others is just much easier to do.
Some people don't.

I certainly don't on some days of the week.

Always try to make things from scratch, but there are days where me and the missus literally see each other for less than an hour before bed and then off to work again.

Sorry we've not got time to spend on cooking. We actually both really enjoy it as well, but it's not always practical.
#35
CaptainSocks
cdm22
CaptainSocks
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.
Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.
A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.
Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.
At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).
So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.
I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.
I'm sorry, but saying people do not have time to make food from scratch is nonsense. It does not take long to make something that is far better for you than a ready meal. You can easily make cheap meals using much healthier ingredients but people are just too lazy to do so. Blaming others is just much easier to do.
Some people don't.
I certainly don't on some days of the week.
Always try to make things from scratch, but there are days where me and the missus literally see each other for less than an hour before bed and then off to work again.
Sorry we've not got time to spend on cooking. We actually both really enjoy it as well, but it's not always practical.
preparing food from scratch can take the same amount of time - making a salad is pretty quick innit?
#36
hutchir9
CaptainSocks
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.
Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.
A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.
Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.
At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).
So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.
I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.
RE the vast majority are poor.
These are the people where all the family have mobile phones, sky TV, Xbox or ps4, at least 1 car, go abroad every year,down the pub every week,smoke and then go to the food bank or complain they have no money for food. GET your priorities sorted!!
With respect. That's total tabloid ****.

I've a friend who worked his whole life, then because of cancer had to give up work.

ESA took a full year to come through.

He lived on less than £25 a week after rent, and his diet (and health) both suffered.

He had a mobile (old one with a cheap sim), but then who doesn't these days?
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CaptainSocks
cdm22
CaptainSocks
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.
Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.
A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.
Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.
At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).
So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.
I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.
I'm sorry, but saying people do not have time to make food from scratch is nonsense. It does not take long to make something that is far better for you than a ready meal. You can easily make cheap meals using much healthier ingredients but people are just too lazy to do so. Blaming others is just much easier to do.
Some people don't.
I certainly don't on some days of the week.
Always try to make things from scratch, but there are days where me and the missus literally see each other for less than an hour before bed and then off to work again.
Sorry we've not got time to spend on cooking. We actually both really enjoy it as well, but it's not always practical.
A point I made earlier .. Priorities are keeping a roof over your head not making Saint Jamie's homemade pasta with squid ink and Parmesan chips with Himalayan pink salt and pink pepper from the nicobar islands.
#38
davewave
CaptainSocks
cdm22
CaptainSocks
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
Unfortunately it's not that simple. We have an obesity crisis in this country and adverts won't make a dent. We need huge cultural changes and that has to be the parents of the next generation taking responsibility and therein lies the issue.
Education works if the person is willing to listen and change, but if you really want to affect change then maybe taxation and punitive financial measures are more effective.
Look how much difference the 5p charge on plastic bags has made.
Huuuuge reduction in their use. About 86% I think.
A sugar tax would have worked, but wouldn't have been popular.
Easy to blame parents, but unlike previous generations far far more both have to work and don't have time to cook from scratch.
At the other end crap/sugar-filled food tends to be cheaper so people on bennies usually have a shocking "Iceland" diet (because believe it or not the vast majority of the folks are poor, not council estate millionaires like the tabloids tell us).
So yeah. You're absolutely right. Loads of cultural issues there.
I suspect decent food is going to get even more expensive for a bit once Brexit starts to really get going as well.
I'm sorry, but saying people do not have time to make food from scratch is nonsense. It does not take long to make something that is far better for you than a ready meal. You can easily make cheap meals using much healthier ingredients but people are just too lazy to do so. Blaming others is just much easier to do.
Some people don't.
I certainly don't on some days of the week.
Always try to make things from scratch, but there are days where me and the missus literally see each other for less than an hour before bed and then off to work again.
Sorry we've not got time to spend on cooking. We actually both really enjoy it as well, but it's not always practical.
preparing food from scratch can take the same amount of time - making a salad is pretty quick innit?
Always have a salad with any precooked meals we have.

And yes, thank you for the lecture on food prep.

As I said, I can cook. Missus is fantastic.

But it really is a time thing some days.

Shame I can't start prepping a meal during my commute home really. There must be a way...
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shauneco
Makes me laugh with the labels, Fat free yogurt actually contains 0.1% fat, how do they get away with that?.

And they have more sugar content than the full fat version. It's the same with skimmed and semi-skimmed milk.
#40
cdm22
I'm sorry, but saying people do not have time to make food from scratch is nonsense. It does not take long to make something that is far better for you than a ready meal. You can easily make cheap meals using much healthier ingredients but people are just too lazy to do so. Blaming others is just much easier to do.


Agreed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/doughnuts_89027

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Edited By: Mark2111 on Oct 20, 2016 11:01

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