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should I install internet explorer 8 ?

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banned7y, 5m agoPosted 7 years, 5 months ago
I'm being asked to install internet explorer 8, is it any good??
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banned7y, 5m agoPosted 7 years, 5 months ago
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#1
No

Firefox
#2
why not im using it and ive had no probs yet
#3
raptorcigs;5617334
why not im using it and ive had no probs yet

+1.

I have had no problems with it, though I mainly use Advant.
#4
it's the same but different :lol:, sometimes you get an "unsupported browser" warning, but otherwise ok
banned#5
Is it true if you leave Firefox open for a long time it gradually hogs more memory and causes an error message??
#6
goldmax
Is it true if you leave Firefox open for a long time it gradually hogs more memory and causes an error message??


yh.. too sove that problem use google chrome or opera.. but not internet explorer..
#7
goldmax;5617355
Is it true if you leave Firefox open for a long time it gradually hogs more memory and causes an error message??



If you like the feel of IE but don't want Firefox, give Avant Browser a go. Someone will say it works of the back of IE, but it does not. You can, but don't, unistall IE and Avant still works (a friend of mine did it, but convinced her to reinstall IE). Avant is extremely easy to use and does not hog resources.
#8
I like IE8, particularly being able to save your chosen favourites along the top. Great time saver.

No problems encountered either so I'd be happy to recommend it
banned#9
goldmax;5617355
Is it true if you leave Firefox open for a long time it gradually hogs more memory and causes an error message??

no way - thats rubbish.

firefox is better than all of them, especially if you like to customise it as there are thousands of add-ons

ie is the worst imho

I'll admit chrome is fastest but very basic
#10
chrome.....firefox is bundled with crap these days....gone downhill
banned#11
tallpete33;5617757
I like IE8, particularly being able to save your chosen favourites along the top. Great time saver.

No problems encountered either so I'd be happy to recommend it

you can save faves on all browsers

e.g. mine has 2 rows plus loads of add-ons (local weather, imdb search, autopager for auto scrolling multiple pages - great for hukd!, foxmarks - backs up faves on a server so you can access them on any pc, colourful tabs - specific coloured tabs for different sites).

firefox ftw! :-D

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/csiman2/ScreenShot002-16.jpg
#12
I dont like IE8. When i open a new tab it wont open next to the old one but at the end, this annoys me as i usually have a few tabs open.
banned#13
csiman
no way - thats rubbish.

firefox is better than all of them, especially if you like to customise it as there are thousands of add-ons

ie is the worst imho

I'll admit chrome is fastest but very basic


I read about this problem though in the Sunday Times yesterday , it says some software fails to handle RAM properly and FIREFOX is known to do this if left open for hours
#14
csiman
you can save faves on all browsers

e.g. mine has 2 rows plus loads of add-ons (local weather, imdb search, autopager for auto scrolling multiple pages - great for hukd!, foxmarks - backs up faves on a server so you can access them on any pc, colourful tabs - specific coloured tabs for different sites).

firefox ftw! :-D

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/csiman2/ScreenShot002-16.jpg


wow youve placed all your bookmarks on screen!!

could never have my screen looking that untidy and cluttered
banned#15
goldmax;5617897
I read about this problem though in the Sunday Times yesterday , it says some software fails to handle RAM properly and FIREFOX is known to do this if left open for hours

mine can be left open for days at a time as pc never switched off.

never had any problems. IE is just so basic and always trying to play catchup with other software companies who specifically design / develop browsers.
banned#16
casparwhite;5617931
wow youve placed all your bookmarks on screen!!

could never have my screen looking that untidy and cluttered

not quite lol

I have about 2000 bookmarks, subdivided into folders but these are the ones I use on at least a weekly basis. Fed up with looking for them.

You soon get used to it and know where every link is :thumbsup:

being a software developer, time is money as they say.
#17
goldmax
Is it true if you leave Firefox open for a long time it gradually hogs more memory and causes an error message??


No it's a load of nonsense, older versions of Firefox did have memory leak problems but we're talking years ago now. Firefox is currently no worse than the competition for memory leaks. It's basically something spouted by folks who either haven't used FF for a long time, don't understand the issue, or just nay-say anything that isn't their chosen browser.

IE8's ok, better than IE7 and infinitely better than IE6 but Microsoft are still playing catchup with the competition (Chrome, Firefox, Opera etc.)
#18
ctuk
it's the same but different :lol:, sometimes you get an "unsupported browser" warning, but otherwise ok


Me too,,,
banned#19
I suspect those who use IE also use windows98 or ME. Its that bad!

Luddites lol
#20
csiman
mine can be left open for days at a time as pc never switched off.

never had any problems. IE is just so basic and always trying to play catchup with other software companies who specifically design / develop browsers.


They all do essentially the same job hardly worth investing time to make them and hard to see where they make the money from in an overcrowded market. (they must do otherwise why ?)

Internet Explorer is not that bad and there have always been hackers that will find exploits, you can generally find more problems with software that is most widely used over competition. (others will claim bad programming (maybe)) It generally does get a fix though.

Firefox is on this computer as well as IE8 I only use/d it when a cookie problem prevented IE7 from working on quidco and there are a few sites that deny access to IE7 so updated to IE8
#21
dontasciime
They all do essentially the same job hardly worth investing time to make them and hard to see where they make the money from in an overcrowded market. (they must do otherwise why ?)


See that little search box in the corner, Google give them money every time that gets used. That is just one example too. Besides the market is far from overcrowded, bet you can't name more than a handful of browsers, now try the same with Cars....they all essentially do the same job too, right........:whistling: Competition is good for the market, without it we'd all still be using IE6 or worse.

dontasciime
Internet Explorer is not that bad and there have always been hackers that will find exploits, you can generally find more problems with software that is most widely used over competition. (others will claim bad programming (maybe)) It generally does get a fix though.


You'll find most of the bad blood towards IE is from web developers because it doesn't properly support Web standards, making their job much harder. IE8 is better for this, IE6 is the worst. If you don't know why that's important: basically there are sets of international standards defined by W3C which make sure the internet works the same way for everyone, which all browsers should conform too. Microsoft like to do their own thing and abuse their monopoly to do things they way they want locking everyone else out, ActiveX for example.
banned#22
dontasciime;5618340
They all do essentially the same job hardly worth investing time to make them and hard to see where they make the money from in an overcrowded market. (they must do otherwise why ?)

Internet Explorer is not that bad and there have always been hackers that will find exploits, you can generally find more problems with software that is most widely used over competition. (others will claim bad programming (maybe)) It generally does get a fix though.

Firefox is on this computer as well as IE8 I only use/d it when a cookie problem prevented IE7 from working on quidco and there are a few sites that deny access to IE7 so updated to IE8

basically they are the same but the mistake most people make is thinking it ends there.

With a little time and effort, you can literally save hundreds of hours in the long run on customising your browser to suit your usage.

personally, I'd hate to have to go back to the old method of clicking on the page links within HUKD, youtube, google, ebay etc etc rather than just scrolling down.

foxmarks is great as it syncs ALl your bookmarks on a server automatically so you can access them on ANY PC anywhere.

autopager in firefox is a godsend (e.g load up 1st page on a forum or thread and it auto loads subsequent pages in same window) :-

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/csiman2/ScreenShot015.jpg
banned#23
Just have a little browse on the add-ons for firefox to see what you can do with it:-

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox
#24
megalomaniac
See that little search box in the corner, Google give them money every time that gets used. That is just one example too. Besides the market is far from overcrowded, bet you can't name more than a handful of browsers, now try the same with Cars....they all essentially do the same job too, right........:whistling: Competition is good for the market, without it we'd all still be using IE6 or worse.



You'll find most of the bad blood towards IE is from web developers because it doesn't properly support Web standards, making their job much harder. IE8 is better for this, IE6 is the worst. If you don't know why that's important: basically there are sets of international standards defined by W3C which make sure the internet works the same way for everyone, which all browsers should conform too. Microsoft like to do their own thing and abuse their monopoly to do things they way they want locking everyone else out, ActiveX for example.


So the whistling ... (they all do the same job) ? They all allow browsing that is their purpose . If one or more does not do that then yeah they are different. [I did say essentially the same job] all cars when working transport you from a-b : Yup competition is a good thing


There have a been a few http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers

I know fine well about M$ use of their product and are not the only company who think they know best and use their own standards expecting all to bow and beg to use it. W3c markup is important to those that want to adhere but the majority of browser users just want to shop, communicate with people, look for pron, illegal software and other deviances and do not care that much about standards. (They should) but don't.
banned#25
dontasciime;5618761
So the whistling ... (they all do the same job) ? They all allow browsing that is their purpose . If one or more does not do that then yeah they are different. [I did say essentially the same job] all cars when working transport you from a-b : Yup competition is a good thing


There have a been a few http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers

I know fine well about M$ use of their product and are not the only company who think they know best and use their own standards expecting all to bow and beg to use it. W3c markup is important to those that want to adhere but the majority of browser users just want to shop, communicate with people, look for pron, illegal software and other deviances and do not care that much about standards. (They should) but don't.

but why drive a fiat 500 when you can get a ferrari for the same price ;-)
#26
csiman
but why drive a fiat 500 when you can get a ferrari for the same price ;-)


Co's I have no money left to go 3 mpg in my Ferrari. :thumbsup:
#27
i really like firefox.
#28
I have a few browsers as different gear I have has their own. I prefer none of them over the other but in that statement windows for the time being comes installed with one. That has changed with 7 (I think due to some law which prohibits it's automatic use on new OS) If I read/heard that right. I don't really care either way personally. A browser if relatively secure in the main will do me, as above that just happens to be the bundled one for most use.

Choice is good though. Not like you cannot run a few unlike anti-V software where some will not work when the others are installed
#29
dontasciime
So the whistling ... (they all do the same job) ? They all allow browsing that is their purpose . If one or more does not do that then yeah they are different. [I did say essentially the same job] Yup competition is a good thing


My point was they may well all do the same job but so do cars, so do washing machines, so do TV's etc. etc.....perhaps we should limit the world to only one type of each? So yeah competition is good, without competition we wouldn't have tabbed browsing, for example.

dontasciime


I asked how many you could name to back up your claim of a saturated market, not how many you could look up on Wikipedia. Besides, if you actually look at the timeline on there you'll notice that there are only a handful that are still in active development, hardly a crowd now is it?

dontasciime
know fine well about M$ use of their product and are not the only company who think they know best and use their own standards expecting all to bow and beg to use it. W3c markup is important to those that want to adhere but the majority of browser users just want to shop, communicate with people, look for pron, illegal software and other deviances and do not care about standards.


and standards make sure that those regular folks can "shop, communicate with people, look for pron, illegal software and other deviances" without having to worry about compatibility. Would you really want an internet where everyone makes up their own standards al-la Microsoft. Sorry but this site is only accessible in Internet Explorer, which only work on Windows.......Tough s*?t if you own a Mac, or use Linux, or want to browse on your phone etc. etc. - doesn't sound very appealing to me.
#30
LOL I could have named more than 10 if I had wanted to I am old enough to have probably used all of them on that list from when I was 10 when the Commodore Pet was released and used.

Standards.... NEVER said it was not a good thing. I said most users of anything do not care about standards when using their blank as long as it works. In this case as long as they can shop,communicate,look at porn etc. That's what I said, I also said they should care which means I agree with standards does it not ?

hardly a crowd now is it?
WHY though ?
#31
dontasciime
LOL I could have named more than 10 if I had wanted to I am old enough to have probably used all of them on that list from when I was 10 when the Commodore Pet was released and used.

Standards.... NEVER said it was not a good thing. I said most users of anything do not care about standards when using their blank as long as it works. In this case as long as they can shop,communicate,look at porn etc. That's what I said, I also said they should care which means I agree with standards does it not ?

WHY though ?


Yeah but we're talking now, not in 1977 :thumbsup:. There have historically been many, these days not so many, and much of what is out there now are derived from a handful of engines.

If you agree with standards, and with competition what on earth are you arguing about. Anyway we're hijacking this thread and there are only so many times I can bang my head against a brick wall. :-D
#32
Keep banging it then.

I am not arguing with you .. It's fact all browsers allow basically the same function ... Browsing.

What is it on here "You say cars can be dangerous if in the wrong hands"

Someone on here takes that and then types You said "Cars are dangerous :fullstop" Lol


I therefore said IE8 is just the same as the others meaning most won't care.



I'm being asked to install internet explorer 8, is it any good??
It's OK

They all do essentially the same job hardly worth investing time to make them and hard to see where they make the money from in an overcrowded market. (they must do otherwise why ?)

Internet Explorer is not that bad and there have always been hackers that will find exploits, you can generally find more problems with software that is most widely used over competition. (others will claim bad programming (maybe)) It generally does get a fix though.

Firefox is on this computer as well as IE8 I only use/d it when a cookie problem prevented IE7 from working on quidco and there are a few sites that deny access to IE7 so updated to IE8
#33
dontasciime
I have a few browsers as different gear I have has their own. I prefer none of them over the other but in that statement windows for the time being comes installed with one. That has changed with 7 (I think due to some law which prohibits it's automatic use on new OS) If I read/heard that right. I don't really care either way personally. A browser if relatively secure in the main will do me, as above that just happens to be the bundled one for most use.

Choice is good though. Not like you cannot run a few unlike anti-V software where some will not work when the others are installed



Windows 7 will give you the option of downloading which ever browser you wish, including IE obviously. Harks back to the unfair competition courtroom battle with Netscape a while back when Microsoft were deemed to be "unfair" for giving you a browser for free ! :?
#34
Competition is a good thing. Standards are a good thing. Choice is a good thing. For everthing else there is Microsoft.
#35
dontasciime
Keep banging it then.

I am not arguing with you .. It's fact all browsers allow basically the same function ... Browsing.

What is it on here "You say cars can be dangerous if in the wrong hands"

Someone on here takes that and then types You said "Cars are dangerous :fullstop" Lol

I therefore said IE8 is just the same as the others meaning most won't care.

It's OK

No you said "They all do essentially the same job hardly worth investing time to make them and hard to see where they make the money from in an overcrowded market." etc.

Implying they're all the same and the market's saturated so why bother - non of which is true. Granted they serve the same purpose ultimately, but they're far from identical. I'm hardly reading Apples when you said Oranges now am I..........
#36
megalomaniac
No it's a load of nonsense, older versions of Firefox did have memory leak problems but we're talking years ago now. Firefox is currently no worse than the competition for memory leaks. It's basically something spouted by folks who either haven't used FF for a long time, don't understand the issue, or just nay-say anything that isn't their chosen browser.

IE8's ok, better than IE7 and infinitely better than IE6 but Microsoft are still playing catchup with the competition (Chrome, Firefox, Opera etc.)


Nah, the bugs are still there. I saw FF using some 400MB of RAM a few days ago, and that was with very little open. CPU usage is still high with flash content. Some ads will utterly cripple the browser, and that's even on my 2.5GHz Core2Duo laptop. Not such a problem now I've installed Adblock, mind you.

It's still the best browser there is, mind you. Not the fastest to load or to render pages, but the fastest to use, and that's what counts to me.
#37
tallpete33
Windows 7 will give you the option of downloading which ever browser you wish, including IE obviously. Harks back to the unfair competition courtroom battle with Netscape a while back when Microsoft were deemed to be "unfair" for giving you a browser for free ! :?


yeah :thumbsup:

Bit like bt owning all the phone lines in UK . Co's they paid for them, then a ruling comes about to say thats a bit unfair that only BT can use em and that BT must let x.y z use the lines Co's of unfair competition ruling. (I quite loath BT so it may look like I am stuicking up for them I am not really I just find it quite funny)

If you looked at it like this. You own a car, you paid for it it's upkeep , petrol etc, no one in your street has a car then someone made a ruling to say eh excuse me thats a bit unfair and then they allowed anyone in your street to simply knock at your door and say to you I want to use the car today and you had to allow them to. :LOL

I am not sticking up for M$ and If M$ blocked the use of X browser upon install then yes thats a big no no, to offer their own browser only at install is not rally that unfair .only in todays society it is. (Whats the big deal with that browser you can download another plenty of choice)
#38
tallpete33
Windows 7 will give you the option of downloading which ever browser you wish, including IE obviously. Harks back to the unfair competition courtroom battle with Netscape a while back when Microsoft were deemed to be "unfair" for giving you a browser for free ! :?


Pile of balls, that. What will people do if they can't get online to get a web browser? Do they just not get to use all those .html helpfiles that apps come with these days?
#39
dontasciime
yeah :thumbsup:

Bit like bt owning all the phone lines in UK . Co's they paid for them, then a ruling comes about to say thats a bit unfair that only BT can use em and that BT must let x.y z use the lines Co's of unfair competition ruling. (I quite loath BT so it may look like I am stuicking up for them I am not really I just find it quite funny)

If you looked at it like this. You own a car, you paid for it it's upkeep , petrol etc, no one in your street has a car then someone made a ruling to say eh excuse me thats a bit unfair and then they allowed anyone in your street to simply knock at your door and say to you I want to use the car today and you had to allow them to. :LOL

I am not sticking up for M$ and If M$ blocked the use of X browser upon install then yes thats a big no no, to offer their own browser only at install is not rally that unfair .only in todays society it is. (Whats the big deal with that browser you can download another plenty of choice)


It's leveraging a monopoly in one area (Operating Systems) to dominate another area (browsers), which is illegal in most western countries, including this one. They killed off Netscape using this tactic, who were the market leader until Microsoft started bundling IE free with Windows at a time when browsers cost money. The ruling is to prevent them doing the same to the likes of Firefox, Chrome, etc. Your analogy isn't quite right,sticking with cars: it's more like if Ford decided to get into the oil business and started bundling Ford brand petrol with their cars in an aggressive attempt to kill off the competition. The worrying thing there is what happens when the competition is gone and Ford can start charging what they like......
#40
megalomaniac
No you said "They all do essentially the same job hardly worth investing time to make them and hard to see where they make the money from in an overcrowded market." etc.

Implying they're all the same and the market's saturated so why bother - non of which is true. Granted they serve the same purpose ultimately, but they're far from identical. I'm hardly reading Apples when you said Oranges now am I..........


Depends on which way you look at what I said.

Most don't sell their browsers to public.... Wii (opera) may (probably licensed thru Nintendo) So with them not really selling it money is made from advertising/ adsense are you going to suggest that by me including a ? that I really did not know where they got their revenue from the software they made (when I know most do not sell to end users directly) (the most popular ones will gen most $$$) so having a few obscure or too many will get nothing in comparison to big boys (top 2 or 3 browsers) So why bother is my point outside of these. Google are just as bad they want to take over the world :lol

having a 1 bedroom flat and 3 people live in it is overcrowed to me however really with 2 people living there is still overcrowded (it's a 1 bedroom flat, its function to accommodate 1 person) In the same sense that Browsing which is essentially what a browser does ..3 or 4 makers is an overcrowded market to me IE / firefox (I knew what I meant it to come across as)

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