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Should women go to prison for falsely accusing a man of rape?

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Another day, another Scotchy post about people on his Facebook. Seen a guy share this earlier, he isn't very clever to be honest so there was no point commenting and arguing with him. He's adamant … Read More
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banned8m, 1w agoPosted 8 months, 1 week ago
Another day, another Scotchy post about people on his Facebook. Seen a guy share this earlier, he isn't very clever to be honest so there was no point commenting and arguing with him.

He's adamant women should go to jail, whilst I agree. I have posted below why this will probably not be a viable option.
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banned8m, 1w agoPosted 8 months, 1 week ago
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banned#1
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If there's 100% no doubt a woman falsified rape, & made the accusation out of vindictiveness, then she should go to jail. However, it may deter innocent victims of rape, reporting it to the police, in fear of not being believed or the prosecution not obtaining enough evidence to prove, without doubt, it was rape. The fear of possible jail term, if it cant be proven will add even more stress to an innocent victim whose already having to deal with a horrendous ordeal.

Agree?
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As with a lot things in law, its not quite as black and white, with many shades of grey.
Any accusations should be investigated and if a accuser is proven to be lying then there should be a consequence, whether that is jail or not I don't know.

I did know a chap who was accused of buying very dodgy images, linked to his credit card and work computer, he was suspended from work, his wife left him taking the kids. Turns out after a forensic IT investigation that another guy on the floor above had installed a key logger on the other chaps computer and in fact he was the dodgy one.

So he was declared innocent by a court but that didn't stop the smoke without fire brigade and he was forced to leave the country to start again, his life turned completely upside down on the basis of false allegations and this country has lost an extremely talented surgeon.
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DKLS
As with a lot things in law, its not quite as black and white, with many shades of grey.
Any accusations should be investigated and if a accuser is proven to be lying then there should be a consequence, whether that is jail or not I don't know.
I did know a chap who was accused of buying very dodgy images, linked to his credit card and work computer, he was suspended from work, his wife left him taking the kids. Turns out after a forensic IT investigation that another guy on the floor above had installed a key logger on the other chaps computer and in fact he was the dodgy one.
So he was declared innocent by a court but that didn't stop the smoke without fire brigade and he was forced to leave the country to start again, his life turned completely upside down on the basis of false allegations and this country has lost an extremely talented surgeon.

It's funny how the media are allowed to publish someone's name before a trial has even been held isn't it? like you say, even if found innocent it's probably still ruined their life.

It is very odd.

Edited By: MrScotchBonnet on Oct 14, 2016 08:29
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MrScotchBonnet
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If there's 100% no doubt a woman falsified rape, & made the accusation out of vindictiveness, then she should go to jail. However, it may deter innocent victims of rape, reporting it to the police, in fear of not being believed or the prosecution not obtaining enough evidence to prove, without doubt, it was rape. The fear of possible jail term, if it cant be proven will add even more stress to an innocent victim whose already having to deal with a horrendous ordeal.
Agree?

The fourth one back isn't a woman though........or is it? :{
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MrScotchBonnet
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If there's 100% no doubt a woman falsified rape, & made the accusation out of vindictiveness, then she should go to jail. However, it may deter innocent victims of rape, reporting it to the police, in fear of not being believed or the prosecution not obtaining enough evidence to prove, without doubt, it was rape. The fear of possible jail term, if it cant be proven will add even more stress to an innocent victim whose already having to deal with a horrendous ordeal.
Agree?
The fourth one back isn't a woman though........or is it? :{
Nothing a few shandys couldn't sort. X)
#6
They should go to jail when it's conclusive they lied about it, definitely. There needs to be a deterrent as its far easier to lie about a crime than it is to commit one! Those sort of accusations can damage lives forever and seem to be rather common.

Anything inconclusive is unlikely to result in any/much jail time, whether that's commiting a crime yourself, or lying about one and wasting police time.
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Once a woman accuses a man of rape then his name is publicised. Her name is protected.

Even if he is then found to be innocent and her to have fabricated the rape, her name is still protected. That is what is wrong.

Then she should incur a penalty for wasting police time and besmirching the name of the alleged attacker. I think a fine would deter women from lying more than than prison, possibly.
#8
definitely, minimum 5 years if proved, she has potentially destroyed someone's life.
#9
Yes.
1 Like #10
Surely there is a difference between a woman making false accusations of rape and the law finding a man innocent of rape and/or not having enough evidence to prosecute/convict.

Edited By: RossD89 on Oct 14, 2016 09:09
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RossD89
Surely there is a difference between a woman making false accusations of rape and the law finding a man innocent of rape and/or not having enough evidence to prosecute/convict.


there is a difference, it gets prosecuted now and again, usually suspended sentence.
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shadey12
RossD89
Surely there is a difference between a woman making false accusations of rape and the law finding a man innocent of rape and/or not having enough evidence to prosecute/convict.
there is a difference, it gets prosecuted now and again, usually suspended sentence.

I don't think you understand what I am trying to get across... I'll clarify

Surely there is a difference between 1. a woman making false accusations of rape and 2. the law finding a man innocent of rape and/or not having enough evidence to prosecute/convict.

Edited By: RossD89 on Oct 14, 2016 09:18
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RossD89
Surely there is a difference between a woman making false accusations of rape and the law finding a man innocent of rape and/or not having enough evidence to prosecute/convict.

Totally agree, You have to be really careful because how do you prove someone is lying?. I would like women who have made false accusations to be punished, they deserve to have their eyes gouged out but sadly some of them may be genuine and punishing them or putting them on trial would be very unfair and cause lasting damage to genuine victims. Can't win :(.
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No.

I've read that 85,000 women and12,000 men on average are raped in England and Wales every year - but only 1,000 cases result in conviction.

Either 96,000 people are liars or it's clearly incredibly difficult to get justice in this country.

Further, it is now taken 'as fact' by every agency working in this field that the vast majority of rapes/sexual assaults go unreported - bringing in the threat of jail to persons reporting rapes/sexual assaults would further reduce reports and embolden rapists.


There are undoubtedly a few liars - but we need to concentrate on the overwhelmingly vast majority of genuine victims who are already facing an almost impossible task in getting justice.
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RossD89
shadey12
RossD89
Surely there is a difference between a woman making false accusations of rape and the law finding a man innocent of rape and/or not having enough evidence to prosecute/convict.
there is a difference, it gets prosecuted now and again, usually suspended sentence.

I don't think you understand what I am trying to get across... I'll clarify

Surely there is a difference between 1. a woman making false accusations of rape and 2. the law finding a man innocent of rape and/or not having enough evidence to prosecute/convict.


of course I understand, as I stated, maybe not clearly, occasionally a women who has blatantly made up false accusations gets prosecuted and gets a lenient sentence for potentially ruining someone's life. of course this is completely different to the cps or the police taking no further action as not enough evidence.just imagine if a woman or man made a false accusation against your son/father/brother/husband or friend what would be the repercussions. mud sticks
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shadey12
mud sticks

It does - and it's horrendous - it happened to a close friend (God rest his soul) and his family, but we have to look at the bigger picture and the thousands upon thousands of genuine rape victims every year who are not getting justice - they too are being put through a form of 'living hell' - and something like this 'jail' suggestion would only make it worse.

Consider also that the UK has one of the lowest rape conviction rates in the world and it's no wonder most rapes go unreported.
I don't know what others think, but I think an average of almost 100,000 reported (most conservative estimates put unreported at least three times that figure) rapes per year is a MASSIVE problem!
#17
If first offence of lying is proven then named and a caution
If that same individual is proven to be a liar on a second charge then imprisonment is the only sentence justifiable as the public nee to be protected

Edited By: philphil61 on Oct 14, 2016 10:27
#18
Further to my previous post, I am referring to women who it is proven they have made up being raped and there is evidence either of their own confession, proof from emails and or texts where they have told someone they are planning to lie or have lied etc. Or if the man in question has been proved to be nowhere in the area at the time of the alleged rape!

If the person has mental health problems then they need to be helped but if it is done out of maliciousness or selfish behaviour to excuse themselves from cheating on a partner or similar then they must expect to suffer the consequences. And they should be named.
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I see it as attempting to pervert the course of justice.
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Mark2111
Once a woman accuses a man of rape then his name is publicised. Her name is protected.
Even if he is then found to be innocent and her to have fabricated the rape, her name is still protected. That is what is wrong.
Then she should incur a penalty for wasting police time and besmirching the name of the alleged attacker. I think a fine would deter women from lying more than than prison, possibly.

This

Anonymity on both parts until proven guilty would be more prudent.

But yes I do believe proven fabricators of false truths in relation to this should be jailed but it is a very sensitive and complicated web in that by fixing one part will break another.
#21
Women have the ultimate weapon against a man, their tongue. They can basically ruin a mans life crying rape and the police will act on it without a shred of evidence. Guilty until proven innocent.

I remember reading of one such incident in the paper, a women tried to chat up a man in a club or outside a club but he brushed her off. Upset at this she proceeded to phone 999 and falsely report that this guy had just raped her. The Police came, arrested him, took all his clothes, DNA sample and left him in a cell for 14 hours. He only got off with it due to this women having a history of crying rape and he was her fourth victim, nothing ever happened to her.

In my opinion women who are proven to be liars should be given the same sentence that a man would have be given had they been found guilty of rape
1 Like #22
People who say people would not come forward because being scared of being sent to jail, this is not true, they would not send them to prison just because they have no proof, when they don't find enough proof they dont immediatly call it a false claim, they only do this when there is concrete proof ie the person admitting that they lied
#23
whelan189
People who say people would not come forward because being scared of being sent to jail, this is not true, they would not send them to prison just because they have no proof, when they don't find enough proof they dont immediatly call it a false claim, they only do this when there is concrete proof ie the person admitting that they lied


Yes there is a big difference between no evidence and someone actively lying.

Unfortunately in today's world we have to make sure we are not in certain situations (men and women) where someone could lie about you attacking them.
#24
Yes
#25
yes
#26
definitely
#27
yes
#28
they should be executed.
#29
freakstyler
Women have the ultimate weapon against a man, their tongue. They can basically ruin a mans life crying rape and the police will act on it without a shred of evidence. Guilty until proven innocent.
I remember reading of one such incident in the paper, a women tried to chat up a man in a club or outside a club but he brushed her off. Upset at this she proceeded to phone 999 and falsely report that this guy had just raped her. The Police came, arrested him, took all his clothes, DNA sample and left him in a cell for 14 hours. He only got off with it due to this women having a history of crying rape and he was her fourth victim, nothing ever happened to her.
In my opinion women who are proven to be liars should be given the same sentence that a man would have be given had they been found guilty of rape
You can definitely try using the Small Claims Court and do a DIY to sue the accuser for monetary damages up to £5,000 , see here http://www.inbrief.co.uk/offences/fraud/

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