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Sick Spitfire Hero,88,forced to sell home to pay for care leaving wife,94,homeless

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I would gladly give him a few quid of my own We can send money all over the world but we cant look after our own OAP's Seems disgraceful to me What do you all think? Read More
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
I would gladly give him a few quid of my own

We can send money all over the world but we cant look after our own OAP's

Seems disgraceful to me

What do you all think?
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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#2
:roll:
#3
inb4.........
#4
such a shame
hopefully they will overturn the decsion as it obviously wrong
poor man and his wife should not have to worry about things like that at their age
#5
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#6
louloublue;7543013
hopefully they will overturn the decsion as it obviously wrong


It might be wrong - but why is it obviously wrong? The NHS have obviously made that decision for a reason.

Thousands of people have to sell their homes to pay for care homes, yes its sad but its a reality; brutal reality is the number of pensioners is escalating rapidly, the number of people needing care is escalating rapidly; where do you expect the money to come from? Its kind of sensationalism to say they will be left homeless - yes they will have to raise capital on their house but at the end of the day someone has to pay for it...
suspended#7
We can send money all over the world but we cant look after our own OAP's


I would say, at this moment in time it's better to donate to the Haiti Earthquake fund.
#8
everyone should be saving money for this kind of eventuality or have adequate insurance(its relatively cheap) you cannot live your life and pee it up the wall and spend it on cars , plasma tv's etc etc now and expect someone to pay for this sort of stuff when you are older

people from less off countries have to survive by themselves with no hand outs like jsa, income suport etc

he is lucky to own his own home in the first place to be able to sell it, what else is he gonna do with it when he dies?
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#9
She doesnt look 94.
#10
it should be taken into accoung surelythat his wife and daughter live in the house surely it going to cost the goverment money re homing them and paying there rent etc
#11
Parveen Brown, who is responsible for continuing healthcare funding at NHS Devon, said the case would be subject to further assessment.
She said: 'Every family has full right of appeal and we have spoken with the family to discuss the situation further.
'We have agreed we will be setting up another assessment of Mr Mejor's needs as part of the appeals process.
'Until the appeal is completed the family will continue to receive full payment. Everyone who receives continuing healthcare funding has their needs assessed annually.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243107/Sick-Spitfire-hero-forced-sell-home-pay-care--leaving-wife-94-homeless.html#ixzz0cbvAqjcy

The headline is not quite an accurate reflection of the difficult situation. I think sensationalist headlines detract from a proper discussion of the very serious decisions that have to be made. It must be a huge strain for the family to have to go through the appeals process. I thought that there was some law or other passed fairly recently that was going to do away with this sort of thing.

It seems here to come down to a medical assessment - if he can safely go home or not.
#12
louloublue
it should be taken into accoung surelythat his wife and daughter live in the house surely it going to cost the goverment money re homing them and paying there rent etc


are you mad.......

sme people in this country have less than this they clearly have funds in the house and im sure it wont take the whole sale price to live in a oap home for a couple of years

the daughter can get a job and help pay for it
#13
DarkKnight
I would say, at this moment in time it's better to donate to the Haiti Earthquake fund.


Is that because he is white ?.
#14
casparwhite
are you mad.......

sme people in this country have less than this they clearly have funds in the house and im sure it wont take the whole sale price to live in a oap home for a couple of years

the daughter can get a job and help pay for it



Probably not as simple as that. It's costing £800 a week, so over a couple of years, that's a cost of £76,800. The house they're living in may very well not be worth that much at all, or only just worth that amount. If they were living in central London then I'd agree they could very well have loads of equity in their home, but house prices in Devon are a lot cheaper, so it can't be assumed that there's more than enough equity in the house to pay for care for the next 2 years if they don't sell their home.
#15
so say they get 200000 for there home and its 700 per weeks each for a care home that gives them enough for 2 and a bit years each to live in a care home
a house they probably spent years paying a mortgage on and working hard to have
doesnt seem right to me
as for her daughter getting a job she cares full time for the mother which is probably a lot harder than having a full time job
#16
tonyg1962
Is that because he is white ?.


its got nothing to do with colour :x. GTFO if your gona stir crap.
#17
MarzBarz
its got nothing to do with colour :x. GTFO if your gona stir crap.

In almost evry thread in the past week Darknight has accused people of being racist ,Just wanted so see how it sounds the other way around,
suspended#18
tonyg1962
Is that because he is white ?.


What an immature and inconsiderate post. You almost made my ignore list.
#19
tonyg1962
In almost evry thread in the past week Darknight has accused people of being racist ,Just wanted so see how it sounds the other way around,


PM him if you wish to discuss it. Dont turn it into another thread ; DK vs 100.
#20
Charlie&Lola
Probably not as simple as that. It's costing £800 a week, so over a couple of years, that's a cost of £76,800. The house they're living in may very well not be worth that much at all, or only just worth that amount. If they were living in central London then I'd agree they could very well have loads of equity in their home, but house prices in Devon are a lot cheaper, so it can't be assumed that there's more than enough equity in the house to pay for care for the next 2 years if they don't sell their home.


you can get discounts for paying yearly and in advance for starters.....also if they cannot afford it which they obviously can at he moment then tey can get help from the government.....so when their funds do run out they can apply

whats the problem?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/healthandwellbeing/healthservices/carehomes/dg_10031525
#21
casparwhite
you can get discounts for paying yearly and in advance for starters.....also if they cannot afford it which they obviously can at he moment then tey can get help from the government.....so when their funds do run out they can apply

whats the problem?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/healthandwellbeing/healthservices/carehomes/dg_10031525



I think the problem has come from the fact it's not just his home, it's a joint home. His wife more than likely owns half of it and being as she's still alive and doesn't need to go into a care home, she still lives in it. I don't think it's right that a 94 year old lady has to be made homeless because her husband needs full time care because of medical reasons.
#22
Charlie&Lola
I think the problem has come from the fact it's not just his home, it's a joint home. His wife more than likely owns half of it and being as she's still alive and doesn't need to go into a care home, she still lives in it. I don't think it's right that a 94 year old lady has to be made homeless because her husband needs full time care because of medical reasons.


she can move into rented accomodation......they have money be it tied up in the home or not

much more than a lot of people in this country have, i hardly think they are being hard done by

so you think the the taxpayer sould pay for it then when they both die the home is handed to the daughter for free......get real!!!!!

i should imagine the wife would want to move into the care home with him and then the daughter could get a job
or they could simply remortgage the house and release his half of the equity to pay for his care:)
#23
casparwhite
she can move into rented accomodation......they have money be it tied up in the home or not

much more than a lot of people in this country have, i hardly think they are being hard done by

so you think the the taxpayer sould pay for it then when they both die the home is handed to the daughter for free......get real!!!!!

i should imagine the wife would want to move into the care home with him and then the daughter could get a job
or they could simply remortgage the house and release his half of the equity to pay for his care:)



I think it is a little unreasonable to expect 2 average, working class OAP's to pay what would mount up to almost £4k each month on their accommodation, especially when that wouldn't include household or utility bills.

Not all old people would willingly go into a care home either, so I wouldn't agree that she'd want to join her husband in there.

I'm assuming that the old lady just has her pension to live off. If the daughter is looking after her full time, then she'd be getting a carers allowance, which isn't a great deal. If they took as much equity out of the house as they could, then who's to say they could afford the mortgage repayments. It would end up as them applying to the government to get help with their mortgage repayments, which makes no sense at all !!
#24
Charlie&Lola;7543693
I think the problem has come from the fact it's not just his home, it's a joint home. His wife more than likely owns half of it and being as she's still alive and doesn't need to go into a care home, she still lives in it. I don't think it's right that a 94 year old lady has to be made homeless because her husband needs full time care because of medical reasons.


I don't believe she is being made 'homeless', its yet more sensationalist headlines. There are dozens of schemes that release equity from homes for exactly this purpose so they can still be lived in whilst the secondary occupant is still alive. As I said before, whilst unfortunate and undoubtedly stressful this is the brutal reality we all will have to face; by the time many of us reach retirement age (70? 75?) the number of pensioners will have doubled; the number of people in carehomes will have doubled; but the NHS income will be the same or less. Where do you expect the money to come from? They have equity in their home, so can ultimately afford to pay, its unfortunate but its reality....
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DarkKnight;7543132
I would say, at this moment in time it's better to donate to the Haiti Earthquake fund.


Normally i'd agree but they are being given money by all the major governments and aid whereas this poor couple are getting nothing.
#26
I am in a similar situation. My mum remarried 15 years ago and he moved into her house (she had already paid off the morgage). My step father is now terminally ill and very disabled and my mum (who is 64 and has a heart condition, is forced to be his full time carer because she would have to sell up if he went into a nursing home. The illness he has is very unpradictable, this could go on for another 5 years and its awful towatch my mums health suffer for it. Why should she move out of her home, she has been there 44 years. It just doesn't pay to buy your own property in this country, if she had been on the dole and lived in a council house all of her life then she wouldn't have this problem.
suspended#27
Syzable
Normally i'd agree but they are being given money by all the major governments and aid whereas this poor couple are getting nothing.


They must be able to get some government help or benefits.
Well the people affected in Haiti will obviously include young people and children, the couple in question in this thread are 94 and 88, so they are pretty much on their deathbeds.
So the question is...do you think giving money to up to 100,000 people including children is the right choice...or to two extremely old people?
#28
Charlie&Lola
I think it is a little unreasonable to expect 2 average, working class OAP's to pay what would mount up to almost £4k each month on their accommodation, especially when that wouldn't include household or utility bills.

Not all old people would willingly go into a care home either, so I wouldn't agree that she'd want to join her husband in there.

I'm assuming that the old lady just has her pension to live off. If the daughter is looking after her full time, then she'd be getting a carers allowance, which isn't a great deal. If they took as much equity out of the house as they could, then who's to say they could afford the mortgage repayments. It would end up as them applying to the government to get help with their mortgage repayments, which makes no sense at all !!


carers allowance is plenty to live off especially when she is living in a home rent free.

i dont know what you are talking about with the mortgage payments as the equity can be released and paid for by the home itself and im sure its enough to pay for the inflated fees which you are quotibng for the care home. also if he woman is 90 odd years old what does she have other than her husband? why wouldnt she want to move in there with him so she can be with him like she always has?

ive given you a link already and it applies to everyone in te country ifthey have over 26 grand in equity then they have to pay themselves....the way you are talking you think that the taxpayer should pay while they keep the home and leave it to the daughter....im afraid this is wrong that money should goto paying for what they need...its a luxury to own your own home at the end of the day

maybe they can hire a full time live in carer for around 15/20 grand a year and move into the hilton full time

unreasonable to expect them to use the money they have saved to pay for something they need.....what a joke
#29
Syzable
Normally i'd agree but they are being given money by all the major governments and aid whereas this poor couple are getting nothing.


why is that exactly? its because they have the money themselves and there are millions of people a hell of a lot worse off than they are.....


what are they gonna do with the house when theyre gone exactly?
#30
Syzable;7545190
Normally i'd agree but they are being given money by all the major governments and aid whereas this poor couple are getting nothing.


Sy - this poor couple are not getting nothing. They are getting £100 a week (on top of pensions, allowances etc), they may get more on appeal. Brutal reality is there isn't enough money in the NHS to afford to pay for all the people in care, so those who can afford it (and this couple can) are expected to pay a portion - this isn't new or rare and its something that will escalate. Yes its sad, but they have a home they can release equity on. Its a misleading, unfair headline to suggest that they are being made homeless when that simply isn't true...
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jah128;7545489
Sy - this poor couple are not getting nothing. They are getting £100 a week (on top of pensions, allowances etc), they may get more on appeal. Brutal reality is there isn't enough money in the NHS to afford to pay for all the people in care, so those who can afford it (and this couple can) are expected to pay a portion - this isn't new or rare and its something that will escalate. Yes its sad, but they have a home they can release equity on. Its a misleading, unfair headline to suggest that they are being made homeless when that simply isn't true...


I didn't actually read it as it's a Daily Mail link........i was going off others comments. Still, care for the elderly in this country is very poor. Once you have exhausted your usefulness you are left to rot.
[mod]#32
casparwhite;7545421



what are they gonna do with the house when theyre gone exactly?


Leave it to me for backing them up i hope. :? :w00t:
#33
Syzable
I didn't actually read it as it's a Daily Mail link........i was going off others comments. Still, care for the elderly in this country is very poor. Once you have exhausted your usefulness you are left to rot.


thats why you should be saving for a rainy day like this couple have owning their own home which they can use for what they need.

its no good livng the life of riley, peeing your cash up the wall or spending it on extravagant holidays and material goods...... then expecting the government to wash, bathe , feed and home you when youve got nothing left and done nothing to help yourself
#34
Syzable;7545860
I didn't actually read it as it's a Daily Mail link........i was going off others comments. Still, care for the elderly in this country is very poor. Once you have exhausted your usefulness you are left to rot.


However bad it is now it can only get worse as the retired population balloons - an ironic consequence of improved healthcare and life expectancy. People are unfortunately going to have to accept that this is the reality of the modern world and that the state cannot afford to pay this money whilst the elderly sit on their nest-eggs; owning a house is going to be less about ensuring your offspring have an inheritance and more about ensuring you can afford to be elderly...
banned#35
DarkKnight
They must be able to get some government help or benefits.
Well the people affected in Haiti will obviously include young people and children, the couple in question in this thread are 94 and 88, so they are pretty much on their deathbeds.
So the question is...do you think giving money to up to 100,000 people including children is the right choice...or to two extremely old people?


I could say charity begins at home, though to be honest, I'm convinced the vast majority of money people generously donate, never gets to the intended targets.
#36
You know the Government don't give a rat's ass about OAP's. Here's a guy who was a hero so that these pansies can sup their champagne, get their duck house built and pay for their 19 year old lover's new business ventures (yes it goes across all the spectrum)!

They will not have to worry about their old age, they have a nice public service pension which that pilot probably paid for all his life.

This absolutely sickens me to the core. Get Gordon Out, Get them all out!
#37
myjess
You know the Government don't give a rat's ass about OAP's. Here's a guy who was a hero so that these pansies can sup their champagne, get their duck house built and pay for their 19 year old lover's new business ventures (yes it goes across all the spectrum)!

They will not have to worry about their old age, they have a nice public service pension which that pilot probably paid for all his life.

This absolutely sickens me to the core. Get Gordon Out, Get them all out!


do you read the thread in your ridiculous rant.......they have a house probably worth 100's of thousands of pounds........they can use it or lose it!!!!


why should they be given handouts exactly when they can afford to pay for it?

blues lose
banned#38
myjess
You know the Government don't give a rat's ass about OAP's. Here's a guy who was a hero so that these pansies can sup their champagne, get their duck house built and pay for their 19 year old lover's new business ventures (yes it goes across all the spectrum)!

They will not have to worry about their old age, they have a nice public service pension which that pilot probably paid for all his life.

This absolutely sickens me to the core. Get Gordon Out, Get them all out!


He gets a pension too, something that I and many others won't. He doesn't know how lucky he is.
#39
So what, they paid for their house all their lives, not only that, they probably paid NAtional Insurance all their lives, where is that "Insurance" now, Nowhere!

I dont know what age you are or from what background you come from, but these people saved all their lives to give an inheritance to their offspring, and not only would G. Brown etal take an inheritance tax, but if they can't get that, they'll take the house!
#40
myjess
So what, they paid for their house all their lives, not only that, they probably paid NAtional Insurance all their lives, where is that "Insurance" now, Nowhere!

I dont know what age you are or from what background you come from, but these people saved all their lives to give an inheritance to their offspring, and not only would G. Brown etal take an inheritance tax, but if they can't get that, they'll take the house!


so we as taxpayers should pay so some person can get an inheritance.....are you insane

obviosly a conservative voter

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