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banned6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
What will those slavish Sony fanboys with militant anti-Apple feelings do? Will they implode with the internal conflict?

I find it rather sad for Sony who historically should be the ones buying Apple, it's quite a fall from grace for them. They've lost the games market to Nintendo and are fighting for second place, they've lost the portable audio market, the phone market came and went for them, their dominance in producing CRT tubes ended with the flat screen era and they've struggle to dominate that market since. They were even on the brink of collapse recently.

Don't get me wrong, I think Sony are a great company who have innovated and produced outstanding products consistently but has their time come? I used to have everything Sony where possible but now I only have the PS3 and a DSLR from them.
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banned6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
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banned#1
It was a made up rumour.

In fact not even that - it was just a throwaway "if" statement in a blog post I believe.
banned#2
vibeone
It was a made up rumour.In fact not even that - it was just a throwaway "if" statement in a blog post I believe.

The fact it even gets considered seriously is enough.
banned#3
master_chief
vibeone
It was a made up rumour.In fact not even that - it was just a throwaway "if" statement in a blog post I believe.


The fact it even gets considered seriously is enough.


I'd say it was more to do with the jittery state of the stock market at the moment, rather than any basis in fact.
banned#4
vibeone
master_chief
vibeone
It was a made up rumour.In fact not even that - it was just a throwaway "if" statement in a blog post I believe.
The fact it even gets considered seriously is enough.
I'd say it was more to do with the jittery state of the stock market at the moment, rather than any basis in fact.

It's likely to be incorrect but you never know. Thread is for hypothetical positing until it happens or doesn't.
banned#5
dcx_badass
I think it would work quite well, both try to be premium brands, Apple pull it off but sony just haven't managed to recently, they make good stuff, but not enough to justify the extra price tag (some of their lower models are pretty good price/quality though).

I think it would be better for Sony than Apple. Sony could definitely benefit from Apple's marketing team The association alone would reap benefits for them.

Vaio with OS X anyone?
banned#6
master_chief
vibeone
master_chief
vibeone
It was a made up rumour.In fact not even that - it was just a throwaway "if" statement in a blog post I believe.
The fact it even gets considered seriously is enough.
I'd say it was more to do with the jittery state of the stock market at the moment, rather than any basis in fact.


It's likely to be incorrect but you never know. Thread is for hypothetical positing until it happens or doesn't.


I know... I was hypothetically saying I can't see it happening :P or something...
#7
Even if Apple could theoretically cover the cost of buying Sony what would be the point? Apple's whole thing is putting it's own software on it's own devices which I don't see happening with Sony's varied range of Laptops and TV's and stuff.

I could see them possibly purchasing a part of Sony such as the games console department so as to rival Microsoft but little else.
#8
There's going to be a whole host of 'Apple are buying ...' rumours. Spotify seems to be the only one that makes sense so far
#9
Apple aren't buying any major companies, they don't make stupid acquisitions.

/thread
banned#10
Ungreat
Even if Apple could theoretically cover the cost of buying Sony what would be the point?


Nothing theoretical about it - Apple have a mountain of cash.

The benefits of having the iTunes store on every PS3 would be pretty massive, and we might get a decent looking PS3. But there would be a whole host of problems associated and you'd end up with two brands struggling for identity.
#11
Ungreat
Even if Apple could theoretically cover the cost of buying Sony what would be the point? Apple's whole thing is putting it's own software on it's own devices which I don't see happening with Sony's varied range of Laptops and TV's and stuff.I could see them possibly purchasing a part of Sony such as the games console department so as to rival Microsoft but little else.

Sonys market cap is no where near the amount of cash Apple have in reserve, they could afford them with almost $20 billion to spare.

I agree with master_chief though (ouch, that hurt)... Even just the speculation of Apple buying Sony is enough to show the state of the company, which is why their shares were boosted by it.

I can't personally see it happening, it is just a shame to see Sony a shadow of their former selves. Gone from market leaders in TV, Mobile, Gaming and Audio products to close to collapse in such a short space of time. Shows what happens if you don't innovate in the technology market for a period of time.

Edited By: spritey on Oct 27, 2010 10:30: .
banned#12
I see Facebook has been touted as an alternative acquisition. Would be interesting to see App store/itunes/quicktime integration in FB but I personally think the valuation of the company is massively inflated.
banned#13
master_chief
I see Facebook has been touted as an alternative acquisition. Would be interesting to see App store/itunes/quicktime integration in FB but I personally think the valuation of the company is massively inflated.


Microsoft own a chunk of facebook, so thats even more unlikely than Sony.
suspended#14
Why would Apple need any more products when they just put "Apple tax" on their products and already make billions?
banned 1 Like #15
DarkKnight
Why would Apple need any more products when they just put "Apple tax" on their products and already make billions?


Are you stupid? I realise you are trolling, but at least try and make basic sense.

More products = more opportunity to add apple tax to them = more money.
banned#16
DarkKnight
Why would Apple need any more products when they just put "Apple tax" on their products and already make billions?

It'll go well with the "Vaio tax" then. A marriage made in heaven surely?
1 Like #17
sennasnit
This will never happen.SonyTotal assets ▲ ¥11.22 trillion / $137.694 billion (2010)Total equity ▲ ¥2.77 trillion / $31.741 billion (2010)Employees 167,900 (as of March 2010)AppleTotal assets ▲ $47.50 billion (2009)Total equity ▲ $31.64 billion (2009)Employees 34,300 (2009)

It will never happen... I agree..

But once again you prove your inability to understand figures..

A purchase is down to the market capitalization of Sony and the amount of money Apple has in cash reserve, it has nothing to do with assets or equity.

Edited By: spritey on Oct 27, 2010 12:00: .
2 Likes #18
Wouldn't want Itunes anywhere near my Sony products reason I buy Sony products is because they don't include that pish software.
1 Like #19
DarkKnight
Why would Apple need any more products when they just put "Apple tax" on their products and already make billions?


I now wish Apple to purchase Sony because i know how much you love your PS3 and are not a fan of Apple so his would most likely send you mental. X)


I picture it along the lines of you falling to your knees cradling your PS3 and screaming 'Nooooo!!!' to the heavens swiftly followed by a declaration of vengeance against Steve Jobs. :)
#20
Adam2050
Wouldn't want Itunes anywhere near my Sony products reason I buy Sony products is because they don't include that pish software.


^^^This.
banned#21
I wouldnt shed a tear if either went under (from a product perspective.)
suspended#22
vibeone
DarkKnight
Why would Apple need any more products when they just put "Apple tax" on their products and already make billions?


Are you stupid? I realise you are trolling, but at least try and make basic sense.

More products = more opportunity to add apple tax to them = more money.


Less money actually, as not many people who are non-Apple lovers can justify "Apple tax" (Myself included), therefore less products would be purchased.

Although if they stuck an Apple logo on the products, and increase the price, by let's say 400%. Then the Apple lovers will justify it and purchase them.

So it all comes down to the ration of Apple lovers:Non Apple lovers to decide.
#23
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product the rest are all gimicks on very good advertising and astetics. PS4 if owned by Apple would look awesome but would likely have a crap controller and a poor gui trying to sell you a million itune songs you never want.
banned 2 Likes #24
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product the rest are all gimicks on very good advertising and astetics. PS4 if owned by Apple would look awesome but would likely have a crap controller and a poor gui trying to sell you a million itune songs you never want.

Poor gui from Apple?? If Apple do one thing right it is user interface, be it OS X or iOS.
#25
master_chief
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product the rest are all gimicks on very good advertising and astetics. PS4 if owned by Apple would look awesome but would likely have a crap controller and a poor gui trying to sell you a million itune songs you never want.


Poor gui from Apple?? If Apple do one thing right it is user interface, be it OS X or iOS.


Ad, I gotta agree with master_chef on this - the interface on Apple stuff is awesome.
#26
master_chief
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product the rest are all gimicks on very good advertising and astetics. PS4 if owned by Apple would look awesome but would likely have a crap controller and a poor gui trying to sell you a million itune songs you never want.
Poor gui from Apple?? If Apple do one thing right it is user interface, be it OS X or iOS.

Imo it's back to front, using Linux and Windows for most of my life. Though I'm going to have to get a OSX machine at some point.
banned#27
Adam2050
master_chief
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product the rest are all gimicks on very good advertising and astetics. PS4 if owned by Apple would look awesome but would likely have a crap controller and a poor gui trying to sell you a million itune songs you never want.
Poor gui from Apple?? If Apple do one thing right it is user interface, be it OS X or iOS.
Imo it's back to front, using Linux and Windows for most of my life. Though I'm going to have to get a OSX machine at some point.

Not sure what's back to front. All apps in the dock at the bottom. Menu always in top left. It's child's play really.
#28
master_chief
Adam2050
master_chief
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product the rest are all gimicks on very good advertising and astetics. PS4 if owned by Apple would look awesome but would likely have a crap controller and a poor gui trying to sell you a million itune songs you never want.
Poor gui from Apple?? If Apple do one thing right it is user interface, be it OS X or iOS.
Imo it's back to front, using Linux and Windows for most of my life. Though I'm going to have to get a OSX machine at some point.
Not sure what's back to front. All apps in the dock at the bottom. Menu always in top left. It's child's play really.

Just don't like it, my opinnion though, astetically again it's pretty.
banned#29
Adam2050
master_chief
Adam2050
master_chief
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product the rest are all gimicks on very good advertising and astetics. PS4 if owned by Apple would look awesome but would likely have a crap controller and a poor gui trying to sell you a million itune songs you never want.
Poor gui from Apple?? If Apple do one thing right it is user interface, be it OS X or iOS.
Imo it's back to front, using Linux and Windows for most of my life. Though I'm going to have to get a OSX machine at some point.
Not sure what's back to front. All apps in the dock at the bottom. Menu always in top left. It's child's play really.
Just don't like it, my opinnion though, astetically again it's pretty.

I find aesthetics and usability to be pretty much one and the same when it comes to an OS. If something is aesthetically displeasing (eg the command line as an extreme example) then it is difficult to use. Aesthetics and good UI design are one and the same to me, this is why I don't think it's a bad thing to go woth Apple for aesthetics.

I know it's your opinion and I'm not bashing you for it, just debating :)
#30
master_chief
Adam2050
master_chief
Adam2050
master_chief
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product the rest are all gimicks on very good advertising and astetics. PS4 if owned by Apple would look awesome but would likely have a crap controller and a poor gui trying to sell you a million itune songs you never want.
Poor gui from Apple?? If Apple do one thing right it is user interface, be it OS X or iOS.
Imo it's back to front, using Linux and Windows for most of my life. Though I'm going to have to get a OSX machine at some point.
Not sure what's back to front. All apps in the dock at the bottom. Menu always in top left. It's child's play really.
Just don't like it, my opinnion though, astetically again it's pretty.
I find aesthetics and usability to be pretty much one and the same when it comes to an OS. If something is aesthetically displeasing (eg the command line as an extreme example) then it is difficult to use. Aesthetics and good UI design are one and the same to me, this is why I don't think it's a bad thing to go woth Apple for aesthetics.I know it's your opinion and I'm not bashing you for it, just debating :)

I know your not don't worry I ain't going to get EPIC on your backside a whine about the good old days lol oO
#31
Apple have $50 billion in cash revenues as well as $282 billion worth of market capitalization.

Sony only have a market capitalization of $34 billion.so Apple could buy Sony out with their spare change but why would they,

Apple are already in the games hardware market and are more than capable of making a machine to out perform all current consoles and would still have plenty of spare cash for a mass marketing.campaign and buy a few game studios in the deal,, so I think the story is a lot of poo..

@ "sennasnit" even though this is a "Apple maybe buying Sony" discussion you still have to pull Microsoft into it in a negative way, I don't get it what's your point ?.
1 Like #32
chelskii
Apple have $50 billion in cash revenues as well as $282 billion worth of market capitalization.Sony only have a market capitalization of $34 billion.so Apple could buy Sony out with their spare change but why would they,Apple are already in the games hardware market and are more than capable of making a machine to out perform all current consoles and would still have plenty of spare cash for a mass marketing.campaign and buy a few game studios in the deal,, so I think the story is a lot of poo..@ "sennasnit" even though this is a "Apple maybe buying Sony" discussion you still have to pull Microsoft into it in a negative way, I don't get it what's your point ?.

For the same reason he thought due to that due to assets and equity figures of the two companies, the sale could not take place.... He's a lemming....

Wrapped your head around statistics, relevance of sample size and the arithmetic used yet sennasnit? Or still struggling to understand which hole you put food into... Clue... It's not your ear.

Edited By: spritey on Oct 27, 2010 14:46: .
banned#33
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product


What product is this?

The iPod?

The iPhone?

The Macbook Pro?

The Time Capsule?

The iMac?
banned#34
FilthAndFurry
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product


What product is this?

The iPod?

The iPhone?

The Macbook Pro?

The Time Capsule?

The iMac?


The little iPhone dock they sell for £25
banned#35
vibeone
FilthAndFurry
Adam2050
Simple fact is Apple have only ever made on decent product


What product is this?

The iPod?

The iPhone?

The Macbook Pro?

The Time Capsule?

The iMac?


The little iPhone dock they sell for £25


Their battery charger is a work of art too :{
banned 1 Like #36
sennasnit
spritey
chelskii
Apple have $50 billion in cash revenues as well as $282 billion worth of market capitalization.Sony only have a market capitalization of $34 billion.so Apple could buy Sony out with their spare change but why would they,Apple are already in the games hardware market and are more than capable of making a machine to out perform all current consoles and would still have plenty of spare cash for a mass marketing.campaign and buy a few game studios in the deal,, so I think the story is a lot of poo..@ "sennasnit" even though this is a "Apple maybe buying Sony" discussion you still have to pull Microsoft into it in a negative way, I don't get it what's your point ?.
For the same reason he thought due to that due to assets and equity figures of the two companies, the sale could not take place.... He's a lemming....Wrapped your head around statistics, relevance of sample size and the arithmetic used yet sennasnit? Or still struggling to understand which hole you put food into... Clue... It's not your ear.
Jesus, when you two have finished your "love in" maybe you can see that I never actually said that they couldn't buy Sony I just said they wouldn't .everyone knows that you are both xbox fanboys, and the reason you are here is to be negative and in chelskii's case, childish. You've both started threads to that effect.No one, i repeat NO ONE will ever take any of your comments seriously chelskii, for the simple fact that since i started posting on this site you have been the biggest fanboy on here.If either of you don't like what I say then don't reply, as this is a misc discussion i'll put what the hell i like.In answer to your first post spritey, who has actually innovated? surely an innovation is something new that people actually want, or is it that anything new is an innovation.What exactly have Apple/Sony or Microsoft innovated lately? Nearly everything is a progression of something that already exists - 3DTV/HDTV/Blu-Ray/Kinect/Move/iPad/iPod are all just progression on something that already existed.

Innovation doesn't have to mean the creation of something completely new. All the above companies have innovated in the past decade without creating something completely new.
banned 1 Like #37
sennasnit
Exactly, one man's innovation is another man's pile of cack.I was of course referring to spritey's narrow-minded comment.Shows what happens if you don't innovate in the technology market for a period of time.

I think Sony have tried to innovate in the past 10 years, what would be more accurate in my opinion is other companies have made more progress technologically than Sony have. They just lost too much ground and made some bad mistakes. I know you'll disagree but the prime example is the PS3, it's an outstanding machine but Sony made mistakes that have seen them go from market leaders to last place as it stands right now. It's the sotry of the new millenium for them.
1 Like #38
sennasnit
Exactly, one man's innovation is another man's pile of cack.I was of course referring to spritey's narrow-minded comment.Shows what happens if you don't innovate in the technology market for a period of time.

While it’s pretty clear you lack the mental capacity to understand numbers of any kind...

I class an “Innovation” as something which is successful, otherwise it’s not much of an innovation. As master_chief has pointed out to you, it does not have to be something which is completely unique. Can simply be a new application of exsisting technology.

If Sony had a press conference today, unveiling a new television which while also allowing you to watch TV programs also gave you the ability to fry an egg on top of it.. That would be classed as an “innovation” in the pure dictionary meaning of the word “something newly introduced, such as a new method or device “, i’m sure we can all agree that it would not exactly be received as an “innovation” pubically.

You however, may feel the ability to fry you eggs on top of a TV is an innovation, that is fine.. It’s more your interpretation, as the word in itself sets out very little criteria.

I would personally argue that Sony have had quite a long period where they have not innovated in the way they once did.. That argument would be backed up by the fact they operating in the red with depressed sales, compounded by a shrinking market share across their products.


Edited By: spritey on Oct 27, 2010 16:17: ,
banned 1 Like #39
sennasnit
master_chief
sennasnit
Exactly, one man's innovation is another man's pile of cack.I was of course referring to spritey's narrow-minded comment.Shows what happens if you don't innovate in the technology market for a period of time.
I think Sony have tried to innovate in the past 10 years, what would be more accurate in my opinion is other companies have made more progress technologically than Sony have. They just lost too much ground and made some bad mistakes. I know you'll disagree but the prime example is the PS3, it's an outstanding machine but Sony made mistakes that have seen them go from market leaders to last place as it stands right now. It's the story of the new millennium for them.
No, I do agree with that one. The PS3 problem was it was too expensive, but obviously couldn't be any cheaper due to manufacturing costs. However, after the initial complacency, fortunes have turned around to the point where I think when this generation is over the PS3 will either be level with the 360 or well ahead, I haven't quite decided yet.

I think, regardless of if Sony claws second place or not, this generation of consoles has been a disaster for Sony but they should be applauded for not resting on their laurels with the PS3.
#40
master_chief
I think, regardless of if Sony claws second place or not, this generation of consoles has been a disaster for Sony but they should be applauded for not resting on their laurels with the PS3.

I agree, the Playstation 3 was an innovation in the same way the Sega Saturn was one.

Sony decided to go with cell based architecture, Sega Saturn was one of the first commercial moves into using two CPUs..

Sega approach was undoubtedly a sign of things to come, as is Sonys. Cell architecture is the future.. It's just unfortunate that they adopted it way way way to earlier, which has caused a negative affect.

Edited By: spritey on Oct 27, 2010 16:34: .

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