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So much for the 50Mb Broadband....

Zak_K Avatar
8y, 7m agoPosted 8 years, 7 months ago
It looks like Virgin Media will be the first to implement a three strikes policy against clients who are believed to be downloading music illegally.

This is part of a wide reaching effort began by record companies to disconnect anyone they consider to be illegal downloaders. This is the first time that an internet service provider (ISP) has announced that it will participate in removing service from customers they consider to be breaking the law.

Virgin intends to send out letters to clients as a warning that those who do not follow the new rules will be disconnected from the internet.

The BPI represents the recording industry in Britain, their spokesman Geoff Taylor told the Daily Telegraph newspaper that, This is not the time for internet service providers to delay further.
The government is set to publish a new consultation paper in a couple of weeks that will outline new, proposed legal measures, with regard to illegal downloading.

Mr. Taylor said, Government clearly shares the creative communitys frustration at the failure of ISPs to take action,

http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2008/04/02/virgin-media-will-be-first-to-disconnect-users-for-illegal-downloading/
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8y, 7m agoPosted 8 years, 7 months ago
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#1
S**t - there goes my interest in music
#2
Good thing I came across this just in time. I knew this was coming... but I was just about to renew my contract with them. Tossers.
#3
go with BE people they have 24MB but allow downloads of the *free* kind
#4
Branson has always had close connections with the music industry. Anyone like to venture any suggestions as to how he will make more money from this. I cannot recall him ever doing anything unless there was some profit in it for him. For starters, reduced bandwidth costs for Virgin and what's the bettings he'll be selling legal music downloads from somewhere in the Virgin empire?
#5
All ISPs will end up doing his or similar within the next year. The government has warned them that they need to do something about the situation with illegal downloads, and if they don't, that the government will pass a law making it compulsary.
#6
Safety in numbers people.. if all of us get 'banned' from the internet, I wonder how long the Internet would last in the UK...
#7
Zak_K
Safety in numbers people.. if all of us get 'banned' from the internet, I wonder how long the Internet would last in the UK...


There goes my 2terrabytes hard drive collections:x
#8
or just hide ur IP with a randomising data connection as well and whola they have no idea what your downloading ;-) like king of the hill released yesterday ;-)
#9
jackt010;1848063
or just hide ur IP with a randomising data connection as well and whola they have no idea what your downloading ;-) like king of the hill released yesterday ;-)


That won't work. All that does is hide your IP address from whoever you're downloading from. Virgin will still know your real IP address, after all it's their DHCP servers that gave it to you. And it's their routers that are sending the data back to your PC.
#10
jackt010
or just hide ur IP with a randomising data connection as well and whola they have no idea what your downloading ;-) like king of the hill released yesterday ;-)


Always wondered how this works?

Doesn't the last leg of the journey from ISP to your modem have an ip address specified and is this they will be monitoring so even if you put it through various no-ip type systems (so the end system has no concept of who downloading) it still eventually has to come back to you through this specified address and so the ISP can still track which and when?
banned#11
Is this just for music or film/tv eps as well?

the title implies its just for 50mb users in the future. Why would anyone want 50mb if they cant download this sort of material?
#12
yea... but i was meaning hide ur IP from the people ... (incase they for some reason report you) *AND* encrypt you traffic so as the ISP cant read what you are getting eg by a hex key to open said file... name it 111222333 etc not something like THIS-IS-ILLEGAL-FILE-1 (lol) and they wont be able to proove ANYTHING
#13
wrong wrong and wrong. Ever heard of deep packet inspectors? Also Virgin were only thinking about doing this not actually doing it. They won't be the first to do it, just gauging reaction.
#14
csiman
Is this just for music or film/tv eps as well?


At first I am guessing it will be just music. This is the original Telegraph article.

"The BPI has teams of technicians to trace illegal music downloading to individual accounts. It will hand these account numbers over to Virgin Media, which will match them to names and addresses."

the title implies its just for 50mb users in the future. Why would anyone want 50mb if they cant download this sort of material?


Because you can download a lot of the same content legally. :)
#15
lol people wont use them if they do implement it only people who download stuff ie tv shows need that sorta speed so old granny in flat 1A wont need her 480KB e-mail to download in like a nanosecond now will she???
#16
Am I the only one who isn't to worried about this? It seem with the amounts of threats that "illegal" downloaders have had over the year none of them have ever been carried through.
#17
jackt010;1848123
yea... but i was meaning hide ur IP from the people ... (incase they for some reason report you) *AND* encrypt you traffic so as the ISP cant read what you are getting eg by a hex key to open said file... name it 111222333 etc not something like THIS-IS-ILLEGAL-FILE-1 (lol) and they wont be able to proove ANYTHING


File encryption would help, but there are ways to circumvent that. IP obfuscation would provide little benefit. I suppose it's possible the ISP's may set up Honey Traps, so may assist slightly in hiding your identity from them, but only a little.
banned#18
If you are using usenet SSL there is no way they would know what you have downloaded.
banned#19
nightswimmer;1848150
At first I am guessing it will be just music. This is the original Telegraph article.

"The BPI has teams of technicians to trace illegal music downloading to individual accounts. It will hand these account numbers over to Virgin Media, which will match them to names and addresses."



Because you can download a lot of the same content legally. :)

Thanks for the info. personally, i feel VM won't adhere to this as it would be a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas :-D
#20
csiman
Is this just for music or film/tv eps as well?

the title implies its just for 50mb users in the future. Why would anyone want 50mb if they cant download this sort of material?


Wishful thinking eh? Nah they're banning it full stop. The title was meant to imply the excessive bandwith which wont be used. Abit like driving a ferrari in a residential area.
#21
guv
If you are using usenet SSL there is no way they would know what you have downloaded.


Yup, if you don't wanna be caught don't use Bit Torrent or Kazaa or those sort of programs than show absolutely everyone your IP Address, That's just stupid :? At the very least run Peer Guardian, even better get Newsgroups.

Also note, I doubt Virgin or any ISP will actively inspect packets going to your computer, by the sounds of it, the evil music companies will take IP addresses from Bit Torrent & Kazaa and ask Virgin to give out your name and address :roll:
#22
Looks like they have already started!? i am on a 20mb connection and this morning i was downloading a 700mb file via my newsgroup, and the speed was flactuating between dial-up and half a mb, it should have taken about 3minutes to download, instead it took near on 20 :x
#23
Robotochan
Yup, if you don't wanna be caught don't use Bit Torrent or Kazaa or those sort of programs than show absolutely everyone your IP Address, That's just stupid :? At the very least run Peer Guardian, even better get Newsgroups.

Also note, I doubt Virgin or any ISP will actively inspect packets going to your computer, by the sounds of it, the evil music companies will take IP addresses from Bit Torrent & Kazaa and ask Virgin to give out your name and address :roll:


Would you know if astra web uses SSL? Zak.
#24
Deep packet inspection already happens on Plus net as they use it to prioritise traffic depending on time of day (not that I care as I am on an old package that doesn't shape based on time of day). I can't see it takes much to adapt this to actively monitor what you are downloading?
#25
Will no doubt put pressure on the other big ISP's to follow the trend.
banned#26
Robotochan;1848218
Yup, if you don't wanna be caught don't use Bit Torrent or Kazaa or those sort of programs than show absolutely everyone your IP Address, That's just stupid :? At the very least run Peer Guardian, even better get Newsgroups.

Also note, I doubt Virgin or any ISP will actively inspect packets going to your computer, by the sounds of it, the evil music companies will take IP addresses from Bit Torrent & Kazaa and ask Virgin to give out your name and address :roll:

I think the term stupid is a bit excessive. i have been using bittorrent for years. lets face it, if they want to stop me then I will just move elsewhere and VM must realise this. they would probably lose half their customers overnight.

I checked out the last episode of lost a few weeks back and there had been over 1,000,000,000 downloads of it. Can't see me being that unlucky :thumbsup:
#27
csiman
I think the term stupid is a bit excessive. i have been using bittorrent for years. lets face it, if they want to stop me then I will just move elsewhere and VM must realise this. they would probably lose half their customers overnight.

I checked out the last episode of lost a few weeks back and there had been over 1,000,000,000 downloads of it. Can't see me being that unlucky :thumbsup:


I havent downloaded lost for a couple of weeks, any idea when it'll be back?
#28
so not to use bittorent then? they are meant to be coming to change my modem over as well,thot that was abit strange as i dont have a problem with it
banned#29
Robotochan;1848218
Yup, if you don't wanna be caught don't use Bit Torrent or Kazaa or those sort of programs than show absolutely everyone your IP Address, That's just stupid :? At the very least run Peer Guardian, even better get Newsgroups.

Also note, I doubt Virgin or any ISP will actively inspect packets going to your computer, by the sounds of it, the evil music companies will take IP addresses from Bit Torrent & Kazaa and ask Virgin to give out your name and address :roll:


I think you have missed the point!

Doesn't matter if you are using peer guardian - your ISP can still see what you are downloading. If you are using usenet SSL the only way they could check is on accessing your PC or going to the source with a court order.
#30
apples33
Looks like they have already started!? i am on a 20mb connection and this morning i was downloading a 700mb file via my newsgroup, and the speed was flactuating between dial-up and half a mb, it should have taken about 3minutes to download, instead it took near on 20 :x


That's just traffic management, making sure that everyone gets a fair share of the speed instead of illegal downloaders hogging all the bandwidth and everyone else suffering.
#31
csiman
I think the term stupid is a bit excessive. i have been using bittorrent for years. lets face it, if they want to stop me then I will just move elsewhere and VM must realise this. they would probably lose half their customers overnight.

I checked out the last episode of lost a few weeks back and there had been over 1,000,000,000 downloads of it. Can't see me being that unlucky :thumbsup:


I didn't mean anybody who uses it was stupid, it just seems silly to us Newsgroupers to show off your address to a bunch of strangers when we have pretty much anonymous downloading. :thumbsup: Sorry if I put it the wrong way :)

@ Guv, Before I moved to Newsgroups as well I remember uTorrent had introduced encryption, although it wasn't widespread then it may be now. For now at least Encryption isn't required other than to stop traffic management slowing down your US TV viewing but I don't deny that it will be required in the next few months with all these ideas thrown around the government on how to make the RIAA happy :?
banned#32
vixygwim;1848366
I wonder what that woman thought in the US before she got done in court for a few hundred thousand $.

Obviously she was only there to be made an example of but it does highlight the potential risks, all be it very small. Just like winning the lottery, but in a bad way :).

The winning argument for Usenet seems to be the fact that you don't actively upload anything to anyone else therefore they can't slap you with the same charges that would be facing someone using BitTorrent for example. That doesn't imply however that downloading it in the first place is legal, far from it.

We in the UK have different laws to the US, especially when it comes to copyright :whistling:
#33
Didn't virgin deny these claims? not likely to happen in the next few months if they're not even admitting to doing it yet?
#34
that means im still ok with the movies? lol
#35
tazxxx
Didn't virgin deny these claims? not likely to happen in the next few months if they're not even edmitting to doing it yet?


edmitting? :whistling:
#36
any recommendations on newsgroups? are they all subscription?
banned#37
vixygwim;1848677
We all know that no-one can police the internet, well the government seems to be the exception there.

As someone used to tell me, "UK? The 51st state." :).

Its astonishing how out of touch with technology MPs are.

E.G paedophiles having to register their email address :whistling:
#38
So basically for those who want VM broadband but want to download music films etc should use Newsgroups to carry on downloading without being cutt off?
#39
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cable/a92789/virgin-denies-three-strikes-agreement.html

Virgin have denied this whole three strikes thing, so I don't think we'll be seeing it from them for a while yet. Plus I doubt an individual company will make this sort of move, it will either never happen or be forced upon all ISP's by the government.
#40
jackt010
or just hide ur IP with a randomising data connection as well and whola they have no idea what your downloading ;-) like king of the hill released yesterday ;-)


Lol, virgin know WHO you are and WHAT you are downloading.

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