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Sold my car & received speeding notice of prosecution

christophersmum Avatar
7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
Recently sold my car to someone I know & have received a notice saying they were speeding and I need to give details of who was driving. I know who it was, they've admitted it. Are there any legal loopholes though?? What about that guy in Manchester who got the footballers off all driving offences? They call him Mr Loophole.

I'm not taking the points and fine myself so if push comes to shove I'll tell them, but I'm on really good terms with the person I sold it to and if there's a way out of telling I would prefer to take it...

Thought I once read something that it's against basic human rights to confirm who was driving??

any experience??
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7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
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#1
Did you not tell DVLA you sold it via the registration doc ?
#2
only just sold it. Cant find log book (just moved house) so have to write to them.

Mail was forwarded by post office
#3
I'm not taking the points and fine myself so if push comes to shove I'll tell them, but I'm on really good terms with the person I sold it to and if there's a way out of telling I would prefer to take it...


so you mean you are willing to pervert the course of justice and face a possible prison sentnce for the sake of £60?
#4
should,nt be speeding in the 1st place so i would,nt be covering up for anyone i,m afraid.
#5
not at all !
#6
wulshaz
should,nt be speeding in the 1st place so i would,nt be covering up for anyone i,m afraid.


38 on a dual carriageway that used to be 50... I'd forgive them !
#7
dont think so speeding kills no matter what and the limit was obviously changed for a reason!
#8
wulshaz;3752656
dont think so speeding kills no matter what and the limit was obviously changed for a reason!

:thumbsup: yup have to agree,
#9
wulshaz
dont think so speeding kills no matter what and the limit was obviously changed for a reason!


indeed it does, but given this was on a industrial park on a Sunday, when the entire park is closed I don't feel there was anyone at risk really, unless you wish to include a loitering magpie in those at risk by this terrible flout of the law !
#10
happy donkey
:thumbsup: yup have to agree,

thank you :thumbsup:
#11
you either take the points and fine yourself or you tell them who was driving. Caught bang to rights Im afraid.
#12
christophersmum
indeed it does, but given this was on a industrial park on a Sunday, when the entire park is closed I don't feel there was anyone at risk really, unless you wish to include a loitering magpie in those at risk by this terrible flout of the law !


does this person actually hold a full licence and insurance?
1 Like #13
christophersmum
indeed it does, but given this was on a industrial park on a Sunday, when the entire park is closed I don't feel there was anyone at risk really, unless you wish to include a loitering magpie in those at risk by this terrible flout of the law !


hate to say but a minute of recklessness causes lives and i dont care if you come out with all the excuses in the world no excuse is acceptable. or the fact you want to break the law! :x
#14
First of all just tell them who you sold the car to as you have an obligation to do so.

It's important to tell DVLA as soon as you sell your vehicle or you'll continue to be responsible for paying the vehicle tax or penalties for the non-payment of it. You may also receive mail relating to motoring offences committed in the vehicle. When DVLA have been informed, you should receive an acknowledgement letter confirming that you're no longer responsible for the vehicle.

They will then have to write to that person to find out who was driving. So you're not dropping anyone in it. Its then up to that person to tell them who was driving the vehicle at the time.

Remember that the images these cameras take (if it was a mobile one) are crystal clear so unless you're wearing a mask then they can clearly identify who is driving (I went to look at one a year or so ago in the hope it was a grainy image and I could dispute it! No such luck)
#15
christophersmum;3752683
indeed it does, but given this was on a industrial park on a Sunday, when the entire park is closed I don't feel there was anyone at risk really, unless you wish to include a loitering magpie in those at risk by this terrible flout of the law !


Regardless of who was there and when it was, this person must have known the limit.

The police or whoever won't let people off just because 'they felt it was OK to do'.

It's still breaking the law.
#16
pluves1
First of all just tell them who you sold the car to as you have an obligation to do so.

It's important to tell DVLA as soon as you sell your vehicle or you'll continue to be responsible for paying the vehicle tax or penalties for the non-payment of it. You may also receive mail relating to motoring offences committed in the vehicle. When DVLA have been informed, you should receive an acknowledgement letter confirming that you're no longer responsible for the vehicle.

They will then have to write to that person to find out who was driving. So you're not dropping anyone in it. Its then up to that person to tell them who was driving the vehicle at the time.

Remember that the images these cameras take (if it was a mobile one) are crystal clear so unless you're wearing a mask then they can clearly identify who is driving (I went to look at one a year or so ago in the hope it was a grainy image and I could dispute it! No such luck)


bitseylango
does this person actually hold a full licence and insurance?


wulshaz
hate to say but a minute of recklessness causes lives and i dont care if you come out with all the excuses in the world no excuse is acceptable. or the fact you want to break the law! :x


yes, full licence and insurance. always has had and has never committed a driving offence.... and at 54 that's pretty good I think..... if you're honest. !!

I have a small child and am against speeding, drink driving, and every other blatant disregard for the law, but if for one moment, driving through a derelict estate you're mind drifts to somewhere else, it is quite possible to exceed the limit at the moment a camera is watching. If you are hand on heart saying you have never EVER gone even a fraction over the limit, Im sorry I don't believe you.

I do not wish to break the law, far from it. I'm a law abiding citizen and always have been, so please do not try to teach me right from wrong.... my parents did a very good role there.

I should re-iterate, I am not looking to deny I have sold the car. I will tell the truth, and if it comes to it, I will tell who was driving. I merely wanted to check the law as to whether I have to..... before you all take your piece of me trying to be all moral and nobel..... I too am a moral, nobel and decent person... and you do not know me, so please do not judge. I asked for experience... not an opinion beating

Thanks for the practical advice Pluves, you're first person to provide anything constructive ! I heed your words and will ensure they are notified by mail.
#17
christophersmum
38 on a dual carriageway that used to be 50... I'd forgive them !


christophersmum
indeed it does, but given this was on a industrial park on a Sunday, when the entire park is closed I don't feel there was anyone at risk really, unless you wish to include a loitering magpie in those at risk by this terrible flout of the law !


So which was it - dual carriageway or industrial park?:thinking:
#18
christophersmum;3752683
this was on a industrial park on a Sunday, when the entire park is closed

If it was not dangerous why would they have a speed camera . I thought by law there must have been at least two accidents or an area of concern eg. a school to warrant a speed camera
#19
pluves1
So which was it - dual carriageway or industrial park?:thinking:


both.
#20
tonyd19565
If it was not dangerous why would they have a speed camera . I thought by law there must have been at least two accidents or an area of concern eg. a school to warrant a speed camera


i don;'t know, but that may well be true. It is very busy through mon-fri
#21
I would say no matter what, contact whoever and say you have been notified of the offence and unless they sort it out, you will report them as you cannot afford to disregard the consequences
#22
christophersmum


Thanks for the practical advice Pluves, you're first person to provide anything constructive ! I heed your words and will ensure they are notified by mail.



My pleasure. I don't think you did yourself many favours though.

The main issue here is that if you had notified the DVLA straight away you wouldn't be in this position.

In addition you confused naming the driver with simply notifying them that you had sold the car.

You must notify the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) of the exact date of sale or transfer of your vehicle using the registration document or certificate. You and the buyer should follow the procedures correctly or you will remain liable for the vehicle until DVLA records have been updated.

Things get really interesting if you sold your vehicle on the same day that someone other than you was caught speeding. As there is no time to show on the relevant forms:p

I have one motto which works well for me - KISS - keep it simple stupid
#23
Done the crime, pay the fine :) Everybody else has too :)
#24
A speeding fine and three points is nothing compared to the trouble you could get yourself into,Do yourself a favour and simply inform them what date you sold the car and who you sold it to,then you will find out how good a friend he is,Remember if you have nothing in writing it is up to you to prove that you sold the car when you said you did and if he denies it then youre pretty much screwed,
#25
why hould i have anything constructive to add when you are quite blatanly wanting to break the law! :roll: and remember some ppl dont drive but have been affected by ppl,s mind wandering as you call it it only takes a second to take your eyes off the road and someone to wander on :cry:
#26
sorry i dont mean to be harsh and know you may be wanting to help your friend but i think it is the wrong way.
#27
christophersmum
yes, full licence and insurance. always has had and has never committed a driving offence.... and at 54 that's pretty good I think..... if you're honest. !!



Shouldn't that read "never been caught" :whistling:
#28
A friend of mine recently got fined £80 for failing to notify DVLA so you have probably got this to look forward to already,When he sold his car he couldnt find the v5 and the person he sold it to got caught speeding,After telling them he sold it he then found v5 and sent it of,he still got fined £80,The police really have more to do than trying to figure out who a car belongs to, That is why they changed the rules about disclosure,
#29
Do you have a receipt for the sale of the car? It would probably help.

Return the NIP, with a covering letter stating that you have sold the car, and include a copy of the receipt if you have it. It is only your responsibility to tell them who was driving if you was the owner of the car, which you are no longer.

Best place for this is http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php
1 Like #30
Speed does not kill poor driving and inappropriate speed kill. It can be perfectly safe to do 90mph on a motorway but in town centres sometimes even 20mph can be too fast. It all depends on road ,weather and numerous other conditions that we as mere members of the public cannot possibly work out for ourselves.
Also if speeding kills why since the introduction of speed camera partnerships and speed cameras have road deaths not fallen. It seems all to easy to always hammer the motorist. I have lost count of the amount of people who just walk into the road with no thought for their or my safety,and also it should be an offence to walk and use a mobile phone at the same time just as with driving as this is also a major hazard.
Good rant over just hate people hammering motorists.
#31
vannus
Speed does not kill poor driving and inappropriate speed kill. It can be perfectly safe to do 90mph on a motorway but in town centres sometimes even 20mph can be too fast. It all depends on road ,weather and numerous other conditions that we as mere members of the public cannot possibly work out for ourselves.
Also if speeding kills why since the introduction of speed camera partnerships and speed cameras have road deaths not fallen. It seems all to easy to always hammer the motorist. I have lost count of the amount of people who just walk into the road with no thought for their or my safety,and also it should be an offence to walk and use a mobile phone at the same time just as with driving as this is also a major hazard.
Good rant over just hate people hammering motorists.


Good shout Vannus. Rep !
#32
he came , he paid cash , he wrote his details on the v5 and you posted it !
#33
vannus
Speed does not kill poor driving and inappropriate speed kill. It can be perfectly safe to do 90mph on a motorway but in town centres sometimes even 20mph can be too fast. It all depends on road ,weather and numerous other conditions that we as mere members of the public cannot possibly work out for ourselves.
Also if speeding kills why since the introduction of speed camera partnerships and speed cameras have road deaths not fallen. It seems all to easy to always hammer the motorist. I have lost count of the amount of people who just walk into the road with no thought for their or my safety,and also it should be an offence to walk and use a mobile phone at the same time just as with driving as this is also a major hazard.
Good rant over just hate people hammering motorists.


here here :thumbsup: bad drivers kill , every accident can be avoided
#34
What happens if you're trying to sell your car and let some one test drive it and they run a speed camera? Just a hypothetical question.
#35
mittu1
What happens if you're trying to sell your car and let some one test drive it and they run a speed camera? Just a hypothetical question.


You hjave to inform the police who the driver was,However you have to make sure that person was licensed and insured otherwise you are in lots of trouble,
1 Like #36
let the police know that you sold it, when you sold it and who to. The other driver put you in this position, not you. However, if you fail to let the police know, that can be an offence they will go after you for.
As the V5 hasnt been sent off, I hope that they admit it was them when the NIP (notice of intended prosecution) goes to them. If it was a fixed speed camera it may have only caught them from behind. A mobile one is from the front. If they dont admit it was them, it may get a bit sticky.
Honestly, If I was you, I would inform DVLA ASAP that you sold the car.
Hope this helps
#37
ADZ1478
let the police know that you sold it, when you sold it and who to. The other driver put you in this position, not you. However, if you fail to let the police know, that can be an offence they will go after you for.
As the V5 hasnt been sent off, I hope that they admit it was them when the NIP (notice of intended prosecution) goes to them. If it was a fixed speed camera it may have only caught them from behind. A mobile one is from the front. If they dont admit it was them, it may get a bit sticky.
Honestly, If I was you, I would inform DVLA ASAP that you sold the car.
Hope this helps


thanks. letter in the big red box down the road. Rep added

bizarre thing is I told DVLA I'd moved and yet the letter from police (using DVLA records) went to old address.... weird!!

New owner will not shaft me, that I can be sure of. I'll just fill the form in & that will nbe the end of it for me.

thanks to all with practical and constructive responses....

& to those who wish to teach others to suck eggs... you have been appropriately ignored
#38
wulshaz
dont think so speeding kills no matter what and the limit was obviously changed for a reason!


All I have to say is, speeding saves lives,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5vfs5-TO5ro

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