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Some thoughts on charitable donations (Updated: HUKD suggestion)

Liddle ol' me Avatar
8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
I had just 'penned' this response to the thread that has just been pulled, but couldn't post it. Typical, I always get in the debate two minutes after admin! Anyway, I have cut and paste what would have been my post in that thread below. Perhaps it can be used for discussion?

I can see both sides on the 'should-this-be-allowed' debate. In fact, I had a thread pulled some time ago that was advertising a Kenyan Street Kids charity that I'm involved with. I wasn't appealing for donations - just pointing to a link that earned small click-through amounts for the charity. Personally, I think a community like this is defined by its members' collective good spirit. We might all moan at each other and disagree at times, but we basically enjoy the communications we have , even if they are not face-to-face. In such a situation, it seems reasonable to allow 'movements' to grow from within, built on the trust and respect that is earned over time. In the case of my post, it was right not to be allowed because it was posted at a time when nobody knew me - it could have been something that I personally benefited from for all people knew then. In the case at hand today, the OP is a fully-fledged member of the community and is trusted and respected, and it is clear that this is a real cause. In such clear-cut cases, I think compassion should rule the day. Sometimes the heart should rule over the head, and this is one of those occasions. Good luck with the collection; I'll make a small donation and hope many others will too.

EDIT 14/05: Perhaps HUKD could add a 'charity' section under the heading of Giving something back? Could just be a list of links to charity homepages, ones vetted by the mods and deemed to be genuine, but with some association to members' interests. In fact, it would also be good for the site to be seen to putinng something back too. That really would be deals anarchy: people putting a little of what they've saved from the big retailers back into worthwhile community causes.
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
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banned#1
i totally agree to the point of where do we draw the line, what about the next member that has something terrible like this, for all we know there are aalready members suffering from such situations without us even knowing, how do we know the amount needed has been raised? etc, etc, etc
#2
Think they have been allowed to put the link in the original thread, which is a good thing.
[admin]#3
I've asked edjaned to put her link in the original post, and to perhaps set up an official donation page for people not wanting to pay via paypal.
#4
thank u liddle ol me i really appreciate your support and kind words
#5
liddle thats strange i was thinking along similar lines to you last night, as sassie says it may be hard to know where to draw the line, i do feel for people who are suffering but is this the place to be asking for donations.

I only think this because i was trying to help my sister gather sponsership for breast cancer awareness and i was thinking where do you draw the line at who can ask for donations in general.

But as liddle says it doesnt hurt to help others sometimes espec well respected and trusted members of a community, my only fear is that someone (new or old) may see this as a way to exploit peoples good nature and it would be a haven for scammers.

I think as jb has said an offical link (donation site) would be better than to ask for paypal payments to your own acc for you then to put into the charity
#6
You're welcome edjaned, and nice to know Norn Iron people still think alike allstar2 :)

Perhaps HUKD could add a 'charity' section under the heading of Giving something back? Could just be a list of links to charity homepages, ones vetted by the mods and deemed to be genuine, but with some association to members' interests. In fact, it would also be good for the site to be seen to putinng something back too. That really would be deals anarchy: people putting a little of what they've saved from the big retailers back into worthwhile community causes. Hmmm...is there an idea brewing here? :idea:
#7
Liddle ol' me
You're welcome edjaned, and nice to know Norn Iron people still think alike allstar2 :)

Perhaps HUKD could add a 'charity' section under the heading of Giving something back? Could just be a list of links to charity homepages, ones vetted by the mods and deemed to be genuine, but with some association to members' interests. In fact, it would also be good for the site to be seen to putinng something back too. That really would be deals anarchy: people putting a little of what they've saved from the big retailers back into worthwhile community causes. Hmmm...is there an idea brewing here? :idea:


good idea :thumbsup:
1 Like #8
I'm not sure why this thread just died without a definitive answer ??

I for one would love to give something back now and then and I am sure there are many others in the same position.

I do realise any charity donation scheme would have to be managed but it surely wouldn't be that hard, or would it ??

Perhaps one charity could be chosen each year from a list of 'x' amount as voted for by the members ? If members thought applicable maybe only Children's Charities like Great Ormond Street and similar should be considered ? Perhaps it could be just one HUKD Sponsored Charity ?

Maybe Admin or one of the Mods could open a HUKD Charity bank account and any donations could be paid directly into that via Bank Transfer to save any administration hassles and costs ? Members could be updated via the landing page and the money paid to the Charity once yearly and then move on to the next year and possibly the next Charity ?

Perhaps it's not possible, perhaps I have overlooked something but it would seem to me a manageable idea by Liddle ?

The above are just a few of my personal ideas after reading Liddles post. I wouldn't like to be putting anyone in an awkward position by suggesting that HUKD should be morally involved as I fully understand Admin not wanting HUKD to be part of something like this.

Charity can be an emotive and difficult subject and that should be remembered and respected if the answer is no,
#9
Thanks for the ideas hottoshop. Doesn't seem to be much interest in this so far, but maybe the idea is being mulled over somewhere..? :thumbsup:
#10
Liddle ol' me
Thanks for the ideas hottoshop. Doesn't seem to be much interest in this so far, but maybe the idea is being mulled over somewhere..? :thumbsup:


hopefully i too would like to give something back :thumbsup:
#11
thej
Appears you have changed your views somewhat.


:lol: No, I haven't!
#12
thej
So it was just an excercise to gauge people's reaction then?


No. Full answer explained many times and in much detail :)

Please stop trolling, thanks. :thumbsup:
#13
thej
Sorry,i didn't realise asking some straightforward questions was trolling,my apologies.


Apology accepted :thumbsup:
1 Like #14
How exactly was thej's question trolling?

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banned#15
Oh the irony!

I think compassion should rule the day. Sometimes the heart should rule over the head, and this is one of those occasions. Good luck with the collection; I'll make a small donation and hope many others will too.
#16
jah128
How exactly was thej's question trolling?

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Thanks for your input jah128. The definitions look interesting, but could probably be added to to take account of context. Anyway, I'll think about that more carefully and maybe get back to you later :thumbsup:
#17
guv
Oh the irony!


Yes quite right too! I'm glad I wrote those words and was as careful to qualify them as I was (and is my habit). Let's look at them again:

Sometimes the heart should rule over the head, and this is one of those occasions.

I think the other charity that you refer to without doing so directly (have we been here before?!) might also be one of those situations. But it also might not. That was the point of my post. But the reactions to my thoughtful comments - including one of yours - suggested to me that there is definitely some more thinking to be done on the issue. And not only by me - several people are perhaps in need of looking at the comment above again and letting their mind do some work as well as their heart :thumbsup:
#18
Would an 'official' HUKD charity be a good idea?

What I mean is, more collective good could probably be done if each month/week/quarter a single charity is supported therefore a decent sized donation from the community could be given at the end of that period rather than each individual charity getting a couple of quid each.

At the start of each period people could put forward nominations for a charity and why, then a public vote could ensue as to which charity is supported during that period. Those who had/have issues with any charity could simply still donate via traditional methods toward another charity or wait until the next charity comes up.

Just my tuppence worth ;)
#19
Ritchie 2
Would an 'official' HUKD charity be a good idea?

What I mean is, more collective good could probably be done if each month/week/quarter a single charity is supported therefore a decent sized donation from the community could be given at the end of that period rather than each individual charity getting a couple of quid each.

At the start of each period people could put forward nominations for a charity and why, then a public vote could ensue as to which charity is supported during that period. Those who had/have issues with any charity could simply still donate via traditional methods toward another charity or wait until the next charity comes up.

Just my tuppence worth ;)


Maybe, yes, and the idea has been bantered about before. It would certainly be democratic and would probably collect more over the long term for charitable causes. Not sure that admin or the mods have the time to organise it though, and it might not fit in with the business-plan of the site, etc. Although on the point of business, it could actually have positive spin-offs in that direction too I imagine. :thumbsup:
#20
Having read through this thread again, a similar suggestion was put forward by Hotoshop in post no 10.
#21
Ritchie 2
Having read through this thread again, a similar suggestion was put forward by Hotoshop in post no 10.


Yes, I thought so. Didn't bother looking through the thread again, but I do remember it being discussed. Thanks for that :thumbsup:
#22
I would imagine there would be many pitfalls including various people throwing teddies because charity 'x' deserves the nomination more than charity 'y' but I'm sure most people would prefer a large HUKD donation being handed over with everyone having helped in some way.

Publicity could also be generated by this which could mutually benefit both parties.
#23
Ritchie 2
I would imagine there would be many pitfalls including various people throwing teddies because charity 'x' deserves the nomination more than charity 'y' but I'm sure most people would prefer a large HUKD donation being handed over with everyone having helped in some way.

Publicity could also be generated by this which could mutually benefit both parties.


:lol: Yes, that's bound to happen - a few people still clinging to their teddies here as elsewhere (hmm.. now where is my teddy :thinking:). But seriously, I agree it could work for everyone's benefit. Do you want to step up to the plate and put an idea together to present to admin? :)
#24
Yep sure, although it seems that it will just be a case of re-writing what's been said here into some kind of proposal.
#25
Ritchie 2
Yep sure, although it seems that it will just be a case of re-writing what's been said here into some kind of proposal.


Well it would be worth a go as long as you felt you could spare the time and think you could get a response from admin. It would be good to go through the proper channels and make the suggestion anyway. And I'm sure admin would respond with a reasonable explanation of why or why not it will be considered. Not sure if the issue has already been discussed by him or any of the mods already on the feedback forum. I'm guessing it may have been as hottoshop for one is very good at this sort of thing and brings ideas into the feedback forum all the time. Might be worth a look if you have the time? Gotta log off now myself as half the day has already gone! Thanks for your thoughts so far :thumbsup:
#26
Without going over old ground or raising issues one of the major reasons I was happy to be involved in the
H4H thread is that all donations went directly through an accredited and official site.
Everything seems to be completely transparent unless I have badly overlooked something.

That to me means an awful lot and I make the assumption that it would also mean a lot to any site that hosted charity threads. Maybe something like "Just Giving" could be used as a benchmark ??
(Not sure benchmark is the right word but can't think of another.)
#27
hottoshop
Without going over old ground or raising issues one of the major reasons I was happy to be involved in the H4H thread is that all donations went directly through an accredited and official site. Everything seems to be completely transparent unless I have badly overlooked something.

That to me means an awful lot and I make the assumption that it would also mean a lot to any site that hosted charity threads. Maybe something like "Just Giving" could be used as a benchmark ??


Agreed, transparency is crucial. People need to know where money is going and why, and they should be able to make ethical choices about exactly how their money is used. I hadn't heard of 'just giving', but a quick look at the site and it seems to address all these kinds of issues. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll check it out more carefully later. I also know what you mean about 'benchmark' - can't think of anything more apprropriate though off-hand, apart from something basic like 'a model' or 'a template' (but they aren't quite right either. I'm sure a better term/word is there - maybe someone else can find it!) :thumbsup:

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