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Son's phone stolen @ school, he's been told who's got it, what should I do? Advice please

michelleleemoo Avatar
7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
My son had his phone stolen last week out of his coat pocket and the school didnt take action until it was too late. Basically when my son reported it the teacher said as it was school policy no phones allowed it was more or less his own fault. I went to the school and got them to check the cctv (I know!!) but it didnt cover where my son was. I'd kinda put it to bed then as there was nothing I could do but it still bugs me that some little hsit bag has got the phone. Anyway my son has been told that a certain person had been seen with exact same phone the day after and when asked if it was *****'s said no and he'd bring the box in to prove it although he hasn't and he has'nt been seen with it since either. What should I do? go to the school and tip him upside down to see if it drops out of his pocket or leave it?
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#1
Heard of the Police?
#2
You will need to contact the police and provide the evidence you have, the school has no responsibility.
#3
School policy.......the police will not waste their time on this either
#4
"Basically when my son reported it the teacher said as it was school policy no phones allowed it was more or less his own fault"

Pretty much sums it all up for me in that statement, sympathy that the phone got stolen, but no sympathy for anything else.

Besides if the phone has been stolen, the best way of dealing with it if you dont think you will get it back is block the IMEI of the phone by phoning the network operator, it then makes the phone a brick...no calls will be able to be made on it as it will be call barred, making it redundant unless the original owner can get back the phone and prove to the network operator its theres.

Its this IMEI barring that effectively makes phone crime unworthy, and why police wouldnt waste time on this, phone insurance and call barring all replace any police intervention.

If you dont have phone insurance, then hard luck, but at least thieves will think twice as the phone is no good to them after barring!.
#5
If a phone is stolen you should contact the phone provider so at very least they can block the phone!
#6
The fact that the School has a "no phone' policy is not the point, theft is a Criminal Offence and they should have taken action.
And please dont go to the school and challenge him/tip him upside down as that could be classfied as assault!

I' d report it to the Police since they school were not interested to help you let's see if they have the same attitude with the Police! Also if you have the IMEI number you can block the phone and prove ownership.
banned#7
thesaint
Heard of the Police?


Yeh. Been to see them 4 times.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/ThePolice_2007.jpg
#8
I suppose you have contacted the phone company with the IMEI number - they will block it from working.

Its unlikely the police can/will do anything as nobody saw it getting stolen and you have no evidence
#9
send in the heavies
#10
In my experience you just get a crime number over the phone.The police where I live (really bad area) dont come out when you phone them about a kidnapping or a beating so I thought it wasnt worth their time.
#11
michelleleemoo
In my experience you just get a crime number over the phone.The police where I live (really bad area) dont come out when you phone them about a kidnapping or a beating so I thought it wasnt worth their time.


check my post number 5...its pointless contacting the police...
#12
Bikebarbie;4257928
The fact that the School has a "no phone' policy is not the point, theft is a Criminal Offence and they should have taken action.
And please dont go to the school and challenge him/tip him upside down as that could be classfied as assault!

I' d report it to the Police since they school were not interested to help you let's see if they have the same attitude with the Police! Also if you have the IMEI number you can block the phone and prove ownership.


No proof of theft......for all they know the son could have sold it on, lost it etc

Only recourse is the get the phone blocked
#13
choc1969
School policy.......the police will not waste their time on this either


Despite the fact that someone ignores school policy doesnt mean they are completely to blame. This could be theft and the police have a duty to investigate. I would make damn sure they did by giving them the name of the person you think might have it. Then let them investigate rather than you.

As other posters have said you could initially block the phone if you have the IMEI from the box or if you registered the phone with the network provider.

Oh and if the police do find out who stole the phone and they admit it was on school property then the school will also have a duty to consider punishing the individual as theft shouldn't be encouraged;-)
#14
Best bet is to contact the head master and or write a letter.

If no joy there then contact the school govenors and threaten them that you'll contact the police.

The police have a reponsibility to respond to any think you report and if you get no joy there report the police to the 'police complaints dept'.
#15
choc1969
No proof of theft......for all they know the son could have sold it on, lost it etc

Only recourse is the get the phone blocked


Disagree - many crimes dont have witnesses but that doesnt mean that the Police doesnt have an obligation to investigate.

:thumbsup:
#16
michelleleemoo
In my experience you just get a crime number over the phone.The police where I live (really bad area) dont come out when you phone them about a kidnapping or a beating so I thought it wasnt worth their time.


This may be the case, but a crime has been committed, and you should report it.
Whether they do anything or not is their call.

They certainly can't stop crimes they know nothing about, that I can guarantee. :)
#17
We had an incident in my son's primary school where 2 scooters were stolen. The school said it wasn't their responsibility. However one of the mums was not happy with this and she got the police involed. The scooters have now been returned, though I don't know how they found out who it was. There was also a note sent out to all 500 parents advising them of the theft and requesting them to check their childs scooters.
#18
Phones blocked. I know what the school policy is but my son has a paper round after school and he has it for safety. No insurance unfotunately as he'd only just bought it after christmas and it was next to do. I guess I should just leave it but it bugs the **** out of me when people get away with it and it might be school policy that no phones are allowed but it appears theft is perfectly acceptable.
#19
michelleleemoo
Phones blocked. I know what the school policy is but my son has a paper round after school and he has it for safety. No insurance unfotunately as he'd only just bought it after christmas and it was next to do. I guess I should just leave it but it bugs the **** out of me when people get away with it and it might be school policy that no phones are allowed but it appears theft is perfectly acceptable.


Hmm..I understand the other aspect of it here...

it helps protect the kids outside of school in your instance, yet they are not allowed in school...I think really it should be the schools responsibility at least to provide a lockable safe housing for mobile phones so that at least outside of school those that have to walk on there own or do paper rounds etc have that contact with their parent.

SO you definitely could argue that with th eschool.
#20
d-j mitch
We had an incident in my son's primary school where 2 scooters were stolen. The school said it wasn't their responsibility. However one of the mums was not happy with this and she got the police involed. The scooters have now been returned, though I don't know how they found out who it was. There was also a note sent out to all 500 parents advising them of the theft and requesting them to check their childs scooters.


One of the many reasons why it should be reported to school and Police. The school needs to be pro-active in tackling this type of issue in the bud. What kind of message are we giving in school - to children, if we shed all our responsability by hiding behind school policy this or we cant do anything about that...
What a lazy and passive attitude! I am sure they would have not acted the same way if school property had been stolen!
#21
find out where they live and ask their parents! if it were me I'd take no sh** i'm sorry yes, you should of not had it at school but your telling me your son is the only one who had a phone in school?
#22
Bikebarbie;4258045
Disagree - many crimes dont have witnesses but that doesnt mean that the Police doesnt have an obligation to investigate.

:thumbsup:


the onus lies with the school, they have a policy which the son ignored son what would you expect the police to do :?
#23
thesaint
This may be the case, but a crime has been committed, and you should report it.
Whether they do anything or not is their call.

They certainly can't stop crimes they know nothing about, that I can guarantee. :)


Your right, I'll give the police a call. It just seems so trivial in the grand scheme of crimes that are committed and I dont know why its bugging me so much. must be all the cold winter nights (6 days a week) my sons been out and saved his £13 a week up for the phone he wanted. Try telling your kid thats the right thing to do when he could have just stolen one.
#24
choc1969
the onus lies with the school, they have a policy which the son ignored son what would you expect the police to do :?


Police duty is to investigate crime! :roll:
#25
michelleleemoo
Your right, I'll give the police a call. It just seems so trivial in the grand scheme of crimes that are committed and I dont know why its bugging me so much. must be all the cold winter nights (6 days a week) my sons been out and saved his £13 a week up for the phone he wanted. Try telling your kid thats the right thing to do when he could have just stolen one.


Regardless of the outcome you get with the police, I still feel here, that with a replacement phone your son should have the rights to be able to at least take the phone into the school premises for when he leaves school grounds, and that even though phones cannot be used in school time, the school should provide adequate security for protection whilst on school grounds...how many kids is it a necessity for that phones are utilised for security walking home from school. Therefore it should be paramount that the school thinks of the kids protection not only inside but immediately outside.
#26
I guess it all boils down to what your personal experience with the police is as to what you consider reporting to them, mine's not good Im afraid and that with serious incidents.
#27
cicobuff
Regardless of the outcome you get with the police, I still feel here, that with a replacement phone your son should have the rights to be able to at least take the phone into the school premises for when he leaves school grounds, and that even though phones cannot be used in school time, the school should provide adequate security for protection whilst on school grounds...how many kids is it a necessity for that phones are utilised for security walking home from school. Therefore it should be paramount that the school thinks of the kids protection not only inside but immediately outside.


I agree totally, there are no lockers and they are not allowed to take their bags into the food hall, they are all piled up outside, easy pickings at the cost of a fully furnished pencil case every 2-3 weeks :)
#28
Mobile phones do not protect children, so I guess that's why schools will not take responsibility for them.
#29
michelleleemoo
I agree totally, there are no lockers and they are not allowed to take their bags into the food hall, they are all piled up outside, easy pickings at the cost of a fully furnished pencil case every 2-3 weeks :)


Then you have in that aspect a very strong case against the school I feel! I would argue on those grounds more than anything, the school has a RIGHT as well do parents to ensure that safety outside school grounds to home is important.

If the school does jack sqaut on all this, its gonna happen again, to your son, another kid, whatever...banning phones from use in school is one thing, not providing adequate storage for security outside school has to be addressed, and If I was you I would argue that case more than anything.
#30
thesaint
Mobile phones do not protect children, so I guess that's why schools will not take responsibility for them.


Outside school they do to a degree, and keep them informed with worrying parents on their way home.
#31
"Son's phone stolen @ school, he's been told who's got it, what should I do? Advice please"

Claim on your house contents insurance (if you do not have dedicated mobile telephone insurance), and when the replacement arrives don't let your child take it to school.

If he needs to contact you during the day get him to visit the school office.
If you need to speak to him during school hours, ring the school office.

Or

Chalk it down to experience & question why your child needs a mobile 'phone at all.

BFN,

fp.
#32
thesaint
Mobile phones do not protect children, so I guess that's why schools will not take responsibility for them.


Agreed, petty theft and crime unfortunately happen at schools which is why these policies are in place. Schools have a duty to its pupils, of course but if the rules are ignored whatever the reason, then what is the point of educating rules which are broken then complaining about it?
#33
There's no point in giving the school grief over it. Your son broke the school policy - therefore it was his fault in essence.

Contacting the Police would also be pointless - you're kinda missing the essential element of evidence.
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red_star
Best bet is to contact the head master and or write a letter.

If no joy there then contact the school govenors and threaten them that you'll contact the police.

The police have a reponsibility to respond to any think you report and if you get no joy there report the police to the 'police complaints dept'.


With all due respect I couldn't disagree with this post anymore, what a spectacular waste of their precious time, money and resources.

I'm not condoning theft and I'm not saying you shouldn't, at the very least, get a crime reference number, after all with this at least you might be able to claim off your house contents insurance but a complaint to the Police Complaints Department???

Are you being serious, this is to deal with serious breaches in human rights, racism, failure to follow proper processes in the dealings of those in temporary of permanent custody, failure to allow access to legal advice etc etc this is most certainly not for wasting their time for failure to do anything about a stolen mobile when there exists no tangible evidence to go on, the Police are simply not allowed to turn up at the "suspects" address unless they have a genuine reason to believe this person may be responsible and in any event it's most likely a minor so there is very little they can do.

No wonder the publics opinion is the police don't do enough when this is their expectations.


I'm am sorry your son lost their phone, I do not condone theft but I think the lateral way forward is to get a reference number and make arrangements with the head master to have constructive talks about a potential resolution and possible punishment of the offender. Innocent until proven (beyond reasonable doubt in Criminal Law) guilty. This isn't Civil Law where you can levy punishment for a reasonable probability they are the offender.
#35
cicobuff
Outside school they do to a degree, and keep them informed with worrying parents on their way home.


I got my son into one of the 'better' schools which means he leaves the house at 7.30 to catch 2 buses and the paper round is in another area completely (its not safe where I live but he wanted to start earning his own money) and he does'nt get home till 5.30 so school policy or not Im afraid even with his cronky (his words) new (old) phone Im still allowing him to take it to school.
#36
ms2005
With all due respect I couldn't disagree with this post anymore, what a spectacular waste of their precious time, money and resources.

I'm not condoning theft and I'm not saying you shouldn't, at the very least, get a crime reference number, after all with this at least you might be able to claim off your house contents insurance but a complaint to the Police Complaints Department???

Are you being serious, this is to deal with serious breaches in human rights, racism, failure to follow proper processes in the dealings of those in temporary of permanent custody, failure to allow access to legal advice etc etc this is most certainly not for wasting their time for failure to do anything about a stolen mobile when there exists no tangible evidence to go on, the Police are simply not allowed to turn up at the "suspects" address unless they have a genuine reason to believe this person may be responsible and in any event it's most likely a minor so there is very little they can do.

No wonder the publics opinion is the police don't do enough when this is their expectations.


I'm am sorry your son lost their phone, I do not condone theft but I think the lateral way forward is to get a reference number and make arrangements with the head master to have constructive talks about a potential resolution and possible punishment of the offender. Innocent until proven (beyond reasonable doubt in Criminal Law) guilty. This isn't Civil Law where you can levy punishment for a reasonable probability they are the offender.


Well put. Repped.:thumbsup:
#37
Balaclava and a baseball bat ;-)
#38
My daughter had her phone stolen and much as I respect the stance the school took (phones shouldn't be in school anyway) it seems a complete cop out. My daughter's phone was locked in a teacher's cupboard during a PE lesson. The same teacher gave the key to three girls to fetch something from the cupboard & at the end of the lesson the phone was missing. Now logic dictates - it had to have been one of these girls, surely.

However, the school really wasn't interested. I phoned the police who said they couldn't do anything until they knew how the school were dealing with it. So I phoned the school back to be told they basically weren't. After phoning several times I turned up at the school and sat there until someone agreed to speak to me about it. The three girls involved were interviewed but hadn't had their belongings searched at the time.

Again, the school emphasised over & over that phones weren't allowed in school. A fact I accept, but is theft allowed? No! Yet one of these girls got away with that simply because the school didn't search bags or question them immediately. I got the phone blocked the day after it happened.

I know phones aren't allowed in school, but half the kids at my daughter's secondary have them. And the school does nothing about it. Phones are never confiscated. My daughter was taking the phone in because she was being bullied. At lunch times she would sit quietly and listen to music & if anyone started on her she would pretend she was sending a text to someone. That in itself seemed to give her the confidence to get through the bullying. So bad parent, rule breaker or what, the phone was replaced & she now has it with her at school at all times, even during PE. My child's well being is far more important to me than a £60 phone, or school rules. Especially when the same school hasn't taking the problem of bullying seriously.
#39
If children went home from school and said their class had to empty their pockets and bags and lockers and had them searched by teachers because someone (who shouldn't have had one) had their phone stolen...
I wonder how many parents would phone the school to complain about that too...
#40
Whingealot
My daughter had her phone stolen and much as I respect the stance the school took (phones shouldn't be in school anyway) it seems a complete cop out. My daughter's phone was locked in a teacher's cupboard during a PE lesson. The same teacher gave the key to three girls to fetch something from the cupboard & at the end of the lesson the phone was missing. Now logic dictates - it had to have been one of these girls, surely.

However, the school really wasn't interested. I phoned the police who said they couldn't do anything until they knew how the school were dealing with it. So I phoned the school back to be told they basically weren't. After phoning several times I turned up at the school and sat there until someone agreed to speak to me about it. The three girls involved were interviewed but hadn't had their belongings searched at the time.

Again, the school emphasised over & over that phones weren't allowed in school. A fact I accept, but is theft allowed? No! Yet one of these girls got away with that simply because the school didn't search bags or question them immediately. I got the phone blocked the day after it happened.

I know phones aren't allowed in school, but half the kids at my daughter's secondary have them. And the school does nothing about it. Phones are never confiscated. My daughter was taking the phone in because she was being bullied. At lunch times she would sit quietly and listen to music & if anyone started on her she would pretend she was sending a text to someone. That in itself seemed to give her the confidence to get through the bullying. So bad parent, rule breaker or what, the phone was replaced & she now has it with her at school at all times, even during PE. My child's well being is far more important to me than a £60 phone, or school rules. Especially when the same school hasn't taking the problem of bullying seriously.



If your daughter had the phone stolen when the teacher had taken them in for safe keeping, then i would continue to press the school for the replacement cost.

I'm a secondary school teacher, and phones a re a complete menace in the school - the amount of kids who get them out in the middle of a lesson and think it is their god given right to answer a call because 'it's only my mom, and I'm not going to ignore her!' is unreal.
Our school has this no phones policy, but we generally are helpful and proactive in trying to get them back, etc. we do conficate phones if pupils have them out in lessons, and I get a lot of grief for that because I follow the school guidelines on that. Many teachers don't because they get grief, and I suspect that is what is happening in your daughter's school.
However, if I lose a phone when I have confiscated it, it is my problem, and I could be made to pay for a replacement, therefore when i take them they are always locked in the school sfae, and the pupils go to the school office to collect them at the end of the day. They have to show organizers with their names in to get the stuff back. this isn't fool-proof, but then again nothing ever is!

The fact is, the PE teacher should be brought in now and explain their actions over the missing phone, because it sounds like they have been irresponsible. We know parents want phones for safety going in and coming home from school, and the 'unofficial' word at our place is phones switched off and hidden at the bottom of the bag are hidden, and how many people will know you have got them?

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