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Sony PSP 2 (NGP) Vs Nintendo 3DS

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6y, 4m agoPosted 6 years, 4 months ago
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Next generation portable entertainment system (codename: NGP) CPU ARM® Cortex™-A9 core (4 core)
GPU SGX543MP4+
External
Dimensions Approx. 182.0 x 18.6 x 83.5mm (width x height x depth) (tentative, excludes largest projection)
Rear touch pad Multi touch pad (capacitive type)
Cameras Front camera, Rear camera
Sound Built-in stereo speakers
Built-in microphone

Sensors Six-axis motion sensing system (three-axis gyroscope, three-axis accelerometer), Three-axis electronic compass
Location Built-in GPS
Wi-Fi location service support
Keys / Switches PS button
Power button
Directional buttons (Up/Down/Right/Left)
Action buttons (Triangle, Circle, Cross, Square)
Shoulder buttons (Right/Left)
Right stick, Left stick
START button, SELECT button
Volume buttons (+/-)
Wireless
communications Mobile network connectivity (3G)
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Bluetooth® 2.1+EDR (A2DP/AVRCP/HSP)
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The 3DS package will get you:

•Nintendo 3DS hardware
•Nintendo 3DS charging stand
•AC adaptor for use with Nintendo 3DS
•Nintendo 3DS stylus
•2GB SD memory card
•Six AR (augmented reality) cards for use with the 3DS’ camera
•Quick start guide
•Instruction book
•Warranty


The specs:

•Size: 5.27 in. length, 2.91 in width, 0.82in depth
•Weight: 8.11 oz.
•Top screen is 3.53 in, widescreen and displays stereoscopic images without the need for glasses. 800×240 (400 pixels per eye) resolution.
•Bottom screen is 3.02 in and has a touch panel. 320×240 pixels resolution.
•Wireless LAN supports WPA/WPA2 security keys. A 2.4Ghz transmitter is included for crosspass mode.
•Input: D-pad, A/B/X/Y/L/R/start/select buttons, analog slide pad (360 degrees of rotation), touch screen, internal microphone, camera, motion sensor, gyro sensor.
•Other inputs: 3D Volume (a slider that adjusts the 3D effect), home button, wireless switch, power button.
•Connection: Game card slot, SD memory card slot, ac adapter, charging station, headphone jack.
•Sound: stereo speakers on the top screen.
•Stylus: maximum length is 10 centimeters.
•Battery – Lithium ion battery. (note: battery life was not announced.)
•Game card: Nintendo 3DS game cards, which are the same size as DS game cards. These can hold a maximum amount of 2GB of data at launch.


Other features:

•You can see 3D images without glasses on the top screen. The 3D effect can be adjusted by a slider on the side.
•A sterographic camera that takes 3D pictures. The two external 0.3 megapixel cameras automatically turn photos into 3D.
•New input interfaces: slide pad, motion sensors, and a gyro sensor.
•Communication while in sleep mode: The 3DS automatically connects to Wi-Fi spots and Nintendo Zones to download game data, demos, and videos.
•Crosspass Mode – Similar to Dragon Quest IX the Nintendo 3DS exchanges data with other 3DS users. This feature works for multiple titles.
•DS functions work within games. You can visit the home menu, notification lists, and internet browser while playing a game.
•Built-in software: Like the Nintendo DSi, the Nintendo 3DS comes preloaded with apps. You can use the Nintendo 3DS Camera, 3DS Sound, Mii Studio, Crosspass mode Mii Plaza, AR Games, and a Memory Notebook.
•Introductory videos and rankings can be downloaded from the internet.
•Software purchased on a Nintendo DSi and/or Nintendo DSi XL can be transferred to and from a Nintendo 3DS. There is a limit of how many times you can transfer software, but Nintendo has not announced a number.
•Backwards compatible with Nintendo DS and Nintendo DSi games.
•Parental controls can be set for the web browser and what software can be run
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#1
Need to see prices and launch games to really compare.
1 Like #2
Just want to see who wants what ... should we buy the gameboy or the psp i'm pretty torn between the 2 but probably swaying towards to the psp 2 but its gonna have a hefty price tag to go with it at a guess about £300 - £350 ? ,, really for me what makes all the difference is the second analogue stick ,,, forgetting graphics and 3d screen ,, I feel this is what will make the actually gaming experience better for my opinion.

Anyone else got anythoughts on these hot new portable machines
1 Like #3
since its impossible to show the 3d effect on any advert or youtube video-the 3ds needs to actually be held in the hand in a shop running a demo to see what its like. There can be no sensible comparison between 2 systems nobody has ever seen in action. too early to tell-I want a 3ds if its as good as they say,but will wait for a demo.
1 Like #4
nintendo rarely go wrong with the handhelds, so will probably win this war again.
#5
Well, it has to be both for me.

I don't think I've never gotten a gaming system. At least, eventually I will end up getting every one at some point.

But I'll be getting the NGP first :)
#6
Holding out for dstt card then may look at 3ds, although a couple of games may sway me. Launch games don't look AAA though
#7
barky
since its impossible to show the 3d effect on any advert or youtube video-the 3ds needs to actually be held in the hand in a shop running a demo to see what its like. There can be no sensible comparison between 2 systems nobody has ever seen in action. too early to tell-I want a 3ds if its as good as they say,but will wait for a demo.


Grab a time slot for a demonstration in an Exclusive Pre-Launch Event for the Nintendo 3DS:

Be quick before all the places are allocated...

[ http://3ds.thisisbd.com/nintendo-3ds/get-events/ ]

BFN,

fp.
#8
boabbyrab
nintendo rarely go wrong with the handhelds, so will probably win this war again.


What war? Both handheld consoles can co-exist without conflict.

BFN,

fp.
#9
fanpages
boabbyrab
nintendo rarely go wrong with the handhelds, so will probably win this war again.

What war? Both handheld consoles can co-exist without conflict.

BFN,

fp.

the console war that has been raging since time began, where only the strong shall prevail and the weak (Sega sniff,sniff) shall end up in silicone heaven
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boabbyrab
the console war that has been raging since time began, where only the strong shall prevail and the weak (Sega sniff,sniff) shall end up in silicone heaven

If you enjoy playing video games what does it matter what platform this is on?

Just because a manufacturer has ceased production it does not mean you cannot continue playing their past output.

If your on-screen character is an Italian Plumber (who used to be a Carpenter), or a face-less Space Marine, or a toy made from a Sack, or a talking blue hedgehog, or a yellow circle with a cut-out triangle for a mouth, or even a white line that only moves vertically or horizontally before being hit with a ball, what does it matter what colour the box is under your TV, or what it says on the machine you hold in your hand, rest on your lap, on your desk, or stands in a dedicated room alongside many other machines offering similar experiences, if you are having fun?

It doesn't matter & it shouldn't matter.

Play to engage; not to enrage.
Play to enjoy; not to annoy.

Play for mental & physical challenges, to improve your mind & body, to learn & to have fun.

Don't think you need to prove anything to anybody else either on-screen or off. We each make our own choices for subjective reasons. If somebody else thinks their choice to better than your own, that is their problem, not yours.

BFN,

fp.

Edited By: fanpages on Mar 14, 2011 11:56: Corrected inability to type in English! :)
#11
I'm a long term Nintendo fan who was obsessed with the greatness of the super nintendo and N64 but gradually I've gone off Nintendo a bit. The seem so profiteering selling low spec hardware at high prices.

Looking at the 3DS in an unbiased way trying to cut through the hype reveals a fairly low spec console that is not much better than the psp. The NGP is something else with its quad core cpu and quad core gpu (don't forget that bit). It has 4 powervr cores each more powerful than the 3DS gpu. The NGP is something amazing really.

I've been a fan of the powervr series since the dreamcast and imgtech seem to just keep adding more and more features. They are stunning designs. One of the great things about them is there deferred tile based rendering which means you can push them to the limit without dropping many frames because they only render what can be seen. So if there are more objects in the foreground the background requires less rendering.

Imgtech are also starting to develop ray tracing gpu's for realtime games so future products will exhibit incredible lifelike shadow and brightness effects. Literally light levels will vary in realistic ways.

There is no reason for the NGP to be too expensive. Its perfectly possible to come in at £200-230 just like the 3DS. Sony are using off the shelf technology and imgtech/arm is a very powerful yet low cost option. Sony's R&D for this console will be low. Also the 2ghz claimed speed and certain other mentioned speeds are probably over the top. It will still come in far superior to 3DS but not as much as was first stated I believe.

I'm finding it hard to get enthusiastic about 3DS because its quite poor technically but the NGP should be quite amazing.
#12
bonzobanana
I'm a long term Nintendo fan who was obsessed with the greatness of the super nintendo and N64 but gradually I've gone off Nintendo a bit. The seem so profiteering selling low spec hardware at high prices.

Looking at the 3DS in an unbiased way trying to cut through the hype reveals a fairly low spec console that is not much better than the psp. The NGP is something else with its quad core cpu and quad core gpu (don't forget that bit). It has 4 powervr cores each more powerful than the 3DS gpu. The NGP is something amazing really.

I've been a fan of the powervr series since the dreamcast and imgtech seem to just keep adding more and more features. They are stunning designs. One of the great things about them is there deferred tile based rendering which means you can push them to the limit without dropping many frames because they only render what can be seen. So if there are more objects in the foreground the background requires less rendering.

Imgtech are also starting to develop ray tracing gpu's for realtime games so future products will exhibit incredible lifelike shadow and brightness effects. Literally light levels will vary in realistic ways.

There is no reason for the NGP to be too expensive. Its perfectly possible to come in at £200-230 just like the 3DS. Sony are using off the shelf technology and imgtech/arm is a very powerful yet low cost option. Sony's R&D for this console will be low. Also the 2ghz claimed speed and certain other mentioned speeds are probably over the top. It will still come in far superior to 3DS but not as much as was first stated I believe.

I'm finding it hard to get enthusiastic about 3DS because its quite poor technically but the NGP should be quite amazing.


Completely agree with you.

I cancelled my 3DS pre order as I overlooked the hype. Graphics aren't everything but I can't believe Nintendo are using very similar specs to a 6+ year old PSP. They could have at least tried a little harder. Ocarina Of Time 3D looks very smooth but the overall graphics are still somewhat archaic.
The 3D would be nice for a while but I reckon it would get boring fast.

The Quad-Core NGP is going to be a must buy with me. Dual Analogue sticks and great graphics? Go on then.
#13
Nintendo have a strong following (still) & rightly so.

They produce & promote titles for a wide range of ages & abilities, & do so at a low cost (whilst still making a [healthy] profit). However, any profit no matter how small becomes a significant amount when multiplied by the number of owners of their products across the planet. Not everybody finds the selection of titles is suitable or enjoyable, but Nintendo do cover many more generations of engagement with video gaming than any other manufacturer (today).

The motion controller input of the Wii console shows how forward thinking they were with the home video game systems market a few years ago, & it is innovative decisions of that type that has kept their audience coming back year after year. That said, now the other major home-based console manufacturers have emulated (&, to an extent, improved upon) the technology, Nintendo will find sales have been lost because the console is otherwise limited because of initial design decisions to reduce costs for the wider public to afford.

If you recall the criticism Sony Computer Entertainment suffered when it was announced that the PSPgo would no longer support Universal Media Discs, you may appreciate why Nintendo are restricted in their design & innovation because of the inclusion of legacy cartridge slots (& game disc support).

Telling a parent that buying the latest model for their eager offspring also means the hundreds of pounds already spent on gaming software is now going to be redundant is not going to win their (arguably, core) audience over in terms of sales of the latest console.

Nintendo have been making games consoles longer than the other major manufacturers; through difficult sales periods & prosperous times too. Not everybody wishes to play what they have to offer, but you have to hold some form of respect of their practices because of the markets they dominate so well.

This aside, I posted a press release (dated 27 January 2011) from Sony Computer Entertainment regarding the "NGP" in another thread yesterday.

In case you missed it, here is a direct link to my comment:

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/psp-deals-from-59-00-instore-marks-spencers/895421?p=10834344 ]

BFN,

fp.
#14
fanpages
Nintendo have a strong following (still) & rightly so.

They produce & promote titles for a wide range of ages & abilities, & do so at a low cost (whilst still making a [healthy] profit). However, any profit no matter how small becomes a significant amount when multiplied by the number of owners of their products across the planet. Not everybody finds the selection of titles is suitable or enjoyable, but Nintendo do cover many more generations of engagement with video gaming than any other manufacturer (today).

The motion controller input of the Wii console shows how forward thinking they were with the home video game systems market a few years ago, & it is innovative decisions of that type that has kept their audience coming back year after year. That said, now the other major home-based console manufacturers have emulated (&, to an extent, improved upon) the technology, Nintendo will find sales have been lost because the console is otherwise limited because of initial design decisions to reduce costs for the wider public to afford.

If you recall the criticism Sony Computer Entertainment suffered when it was announced that the PSPgo would no longer support Universal Media Discs, you may appreciate why Nintendo are restricted in their design & innovation because of the inclusion of legacy cartridge slots (& game disc support).

Telling a parent that buying the latest model for their eager offspring also means the hundreds of pounds already spent on gaming software is now going to be redundant is not going to win their (arguably, core) audience over in terms of sales of the latest console.

Nintendo have been making games consoles longer than the other major manufacturers; through difficult sales periods & prosperous times too. Not everybody wishes to play what they have to offer, but you have to hold some form of respect of their practices because of the markets they dominate so well.

This aside, I posted a press release (dated 27 January 2011) from Sony Computer Entertainment regarding the "NGP" in another thread yesterday.

In case you missed it, here is a direct link to my comment:

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/psp-deals-from-59-00-instore-marks-spencers/895421?p=10834344 ]

BFN,

fp.


I totally agree with you about Nintendo creating innovative devices, and will no doubt receive a massive market for the 3DS.

Yet, for me, the NGP is the must buy. Id like to have both but Id no doubt ignore the 3DS so it would just be wasted cash sat in a drawer. I love the fact you can use PSN downloads for the PSP/PS1 classics on the NGP but am also glad they're not straying down the PSP Go path (I own one) and incorporating digital downloads only. Digital downloads (older and current generations) alongside physical format of NGP games is the way to go :)

Edited By: dtovey89 on Mar 14, 2011 12:32
#15
Once we all have 1gb per second downloads i don't c y we can't just get shot of cd's/dvd games altogether. .it will be faster than going to the shops. . More environment friendly. . / cheaper distribution. . Would it not be better for everyone if the price was fair too?
#16
kev_u8701r
Once we all have 1gb per second downloads i don't c y we can't just get shot of cd's/dvd games altogether. .it will be faster than going to the shops. . More environment friendly. . / cheaper distribution. . Would it not be better for everyone if the price was fair too?

How many people will be able to afford the products & digital downloads once the removal of physical products from high street & mail order stores has made the jobs of those employed in these places redundant?

Comments I made a few days ago on the same/similar subject:

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/battlefield-bad-company-2-killzone/624991?p=10810927 ]

BFN,

fp.
#17
dtovey89
I totally agree with you about Nintendo creating innovative devices, and will no doubt receive a massive market for the 3DS.Yet, for me, the NGP is the must buy. Id like to have both but Id no doubt ignore the 3DS so it would just be wasted cash sat in a drawer. I love the fact you can use PSN downloads for the PSP/PS1 classics on the NGP but am also glad they're not straying down the PSP Go path (I own one) and incorporating digital downloads only. Digital downloads (older and current generations) alongside physical format of NGP games is the way to go :)

Would you like to see a system introduced like the "Nintendo Points" approach where purchasing a physical game (on a memory card) includes a loyalty scheme where a quantity of "units" can be amassed over time to swap on PlayStation Store for downloadable content?

If only such a system had been introduced when the PSP-1000 series was first available; those that purchased Universal Media Disc versions of titles could now demonstrate ownership in order to download the digitally-available equivalent titles.

BFN,

fp.
#18
kev_u8701r
but probably swaying towards to the psp 2 but its gonna have a hefty price tag to go with it at a guess about £300 - £350 ? ,,


Would love to know the basis of this guesstimate.
#19
pre-ordered a 3ds and don't think I will bother with the PSP 2
#20
fanpages
dtovey89
I totally agree with you about Nintendo creating innovative devices, and will no doubt receive a massive market for the 3DS.Yet, for me, the NGP is the must buy. Id like to have both but Id no doubt ignore the 3DS so it would just be wasted cash sat in a drawer. I love the fact you can use PSN downloads for the PSP/PS1 classics on the NGP but am also glad they're not straying down the PSP Go path (I own one) and incorporating digital downloads only. Digital downloads (older and current generations) alongside physical format of NGP games is the way to go :)


Would you like to see a system introduced like the "Nintendo Points" approach where purchasing a physical game (on a memory card) includes a loyalty scheme where a quantity of "units" can be amassed over time to swap on PlayStation Store for downloadable content?

If only such a system had been introduced when the PSP-1000 series was first available; those that purchased Universal Media Disc versions of titles could now demonstrate ownership in order to download the digitally-available equivalent titles.

BFN,

fp.


Id definitely like to see that implemented.

As long as they weren't too stingy or too generous with the points then no doubt it would be a success. The points would also require an expiration date.
#21
The NGP should cost around about $300-350 us dollars, which should equate to £250-270.. If you account for VAT, import, distribution cost etc.

About the 3DS? I'm still a bit disappointed at the specs. They were originally going to use Nvidia's Tegra chipset but Nintendo decided to go for the much older Arm11 CPU + PICA200 GPU combination. Not that Pica200 is a bad GPU, its just technology has moved on from 2006 - and at £200 it is expensive for what it is. But then again, this is Nintendo we're talking about! So I'll eventually get one for the exclusives.

In comparison, the tech used in the NGP will be enough to keep it at least one generation ahead of any mobile device (on the market). The new powerhouse of a gpu - SGX543mp2 found in the Ipad2 totally dominates the Xoom in graphics performance (Tegra 2) article found here. And just think the NGP will feature double the amount of cores.


Edited By: Hinch87 on Mar 14, 2011 17:31: Corrected
#22
Quad-core on the psp?
I cant think of a time multi-core gameing system have worked in the consoles favor
Im a ps3 person, but multiplatform games seem to always be ever so slightly better on 360
+ sega saturn wasnt easy to code for apparently (multicore again)

I much prefer psp over DS, but thats not factoring prices for games, I think the psp is almost asking for custom firmware making downloads digital only (digital DL ALWAYS seems to work out more expencive).

Edited By: nebno6 on Mar 14, 2011 15:57
#23
Quite a few of the games on the PS3 utilize the extra cores (of the cell) to offload post processing effects and anti-aliasing. Just take a look at God of War 3. Multicore setups will become the norm when almost every new high end consumer mobile device of next year features one.

The multicore architecture by Arm can actually save power because of the way it works. Each core can be utilized independently depending on application or load. Not only this but the scalability of multiplying processors is much greater in its current design. Sony said that they've made a mistake on the PS3 and are going correct it with the NGP - with a more standardized design (arm architecture) and much simpler SDK (or software development kit). So in all fairness, it was Sony's own fault for the added complications..

Multicore is the the only way forward!


Edited By: Hinch87 on Mar 14, 2011 16:33
#24
I take back what I said about the NGP being the one for me today. I had a go on a 3DS today and liked what I saw :) Knowing Nintendo they will pull games off like Mario Kart amazingly despite the semi-weak specs.
So I went to Morrisons and pre-ordered a Aqua Blue one for £187 (£10 deposit). Combining this with my staff discount I should be getting it for £168.30. The £220 mark in some places put me off but £168 is a price too good to turn down especially when considering this was around the price of the DSi XL on launch.

Good times :)

P.S. I will still be getting the NGP though!
#25
fanpages
kev_u8701r
Once we all have 1gb per second downloads i don't c y we can't just get shot of cd's/dvd games altogether. .it will be faster than going to the shops. . More environment friendly. . / cheaper distribution. . Would it not be better for everyone if the price was fair too?


How many people will be able to afford the products & digital downloads once the removal of physical products from high street & mail order stores has made the jobs of those employed in these places redundant?

Comments I made a few days ago on the same/similar subject:

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/battlefield-bad-company-2-killzone/624991?p=10810927 ]

BFN,

fp.


I hear what your saying but imagine all your media saved on the cloud or personal hard drive. . No more messing around with disk drives breaking or jamming getting scratched . I really just feel its time to look forward to the next gen with really high expectations. . I just feel it makes sense. . Or atleast people should be given the option like my psp go i can store 20 games plus films and all my music on one little console that fits in my pocket not carrying round a rucksack full of games. . We can't let all those minimum wage workers at game be made redundant tho because its hard enough to find a job let alone a decent one.
1 Like #26
kev_u8701r
I hear what your saying but imagine all your media saved on the cloud or personal hard drive. . No more messing around with disk drives breaking or jamming getting scratched . I really just feel its time to look forward to the next gen with really high expectations. . I just feel it makes sense. . Or atleast people should be given the option like my psp go i can store 20 games plus films and all my music on one little console that fits in my pocket not carrying round a rucksack full of games. . We can't let all those minimum wage workers at game be made redundant tho because its hard enough to find a job let alone a decent one.

Equally, imagine a day when connection to your remotely stored content was not possible due to technical reasons, or a few days when you are waiting for an engineer to fix your telephone line or your "home entertainment system" used to download/stream the content to you, or a few weeks when you are waiting for an appointment for a brand new telephone line installation because you have moved house, or have gone on holiday to a place that does not offer a connection to "the cloud" or, indeed, a lifetime of loss of service if the storage provider goes out of business & takes all your virtual "assets" with them.

In any case, the UK telecommunications infrastructure at present cannot cope with (so called) "high speed" broadband connections to properties more than a few miles away from their nearest telephone exchange, so I think we have some time to reflect on what our lives will become before Science Fiction becoming Science Fact.

In contrast, purchasing the latest handheld devices that can offer a service of this nature either immediately, or within the near future, is only funding more research & development into that area.

The distribution of digital only content is a business model that (console) manufacturers, & audio/video/television providers favour as it means complete control over pricing. The loss of revenue when physical items previously purchased by individuals are sold privately is also no longer detrimental to their sales.

Owning less & less physical items however means savings in the planet's natural resources used for packaging, less pollution in manufacturing processes, and in the long-term less reliance on larger domestic environments. Look around your own home & imagine all the books, CDs, DVDs, console games, shopping catalogues, & telephone directories moved to a digital network instead of occupying space in your rooms. Imagine not receiving any postal mail at all & not having a need to retain any previously received bank, credit/charge card, or shopping catalogue statements. Newspapers & magazines... gone. Board games all converted to screen-based equivalents. Extend that thought to photographs or paintings that are now stored digitally. Nobody owns a portrait or a landscape print; everybody does! No need to have a garden any longer as you can simply download a dynamic “wallpaper” from anywhere in the world to your desktop. The sights, sounds, & smells of that location can be beamed directly to you.

Your home is now starting to be less individual & more like a cubical where you sleep & need not spend any more time because you can access all your (once) personal items from anywhere else (in the world). Migration/Relocation to any new area is just a case of plugging in your hardware somewhere else. In fact, do you ever need to move again? No need to buy any more shoes, dear. Result!

If everything can be experienced from your own cubical would we need to go out for exercise (instead of playing “WiiKinectMove”) & to socialise with others (in an online environment where we can portray ourselves in an avatar form that may not be anything like our own physical size & shape)? Fresh air? That’s provided 24-7 to you as is natural daylight when required. In fact, without interaction with the outside world do we really need to think of days in terms of hours & rotations of stars any longer? Hang on… we still need to renew the population every generation. Lack of contact with others means men & women will not be able to meet and… oh, you can do all that reproductive stuff in a laboratory now? OK, I’ll just stay home & have a cup of tea with Boy George instead. In fact, I have lots of celebrity friends… they’re in the list on my screen. Least I think it’s them. I think my kids are in this list too, but I cannot be sure as it could be anybody with that user name. What? I’ve been sending money to, & exchanging photographs with, somebody in Nigeria every week for the last 18 years? I just thought the language barrier was the way the younger generation communicated these days.

All this scrawling lines on a touch-screen with a stylus or pressing our thumbprint or eyeball against a reader is convenient, but I miss knowing how to spell my name without some software correcting it for me when I get it wrong. Perhaps I can learn how to write again… there’s a course on that I can download I think.

I know it is a great leap to associate buying the latest handheld gadgets with just having a bed, a bathroom, & a screen where you interact with the world, but we will be there one day. (Still got all these clothes to put away too… never find the time to do that as I’m always online)

The question is… what will everybody then do to earn money to afford to live that way? My name is down for the laundry service. I suggest you get in early as well.

BFN,

fp.
#27
Self-cleaning clothes are already in developement fp.

Josh
#28
r3tract
Self-cleaning clothes are already in developement fp.

Josh

I'm aiming for the "I'll put them away for you" market. Less hassle... plus I only need to handle clean clothes as well! :)

That said, I was using a PS3 console to watch "Waking The Dead" via BBC iPlayer yesterday whilst I was washing/drying clothes in my kitchen.

What a cosmopolitan life I lead! :)

BFN,

fp.
#29
Digital is the way forward you can fight it all you like but you will be left behind in the dark ages of physical media and you will end up as one of these current generation over 40's that can't work a pc and are scared to try something new. I will be supporting digital media all the way its great.
fanpages
kev_u8701r
I hear what your saying but imagine all your media saved on the cloud or personal hard drive. . No more messing around with disk drives breaking or jamming getting scratched . I really just feel its time to look forward to the next gen with really high expectations. . I just feel it makes sense. . Or atleast people should be given the option like my psp go i can store 20 games plus films and all my music on one little console that fits in my pocket not carrying round a rucksack full of games. . We can't let all those minimum wage workers at game be made redundant tho because its hard enough to find a job let alone a decent one.


Equally, imagine a day when connection to your remotely stored content was not possible due to technical reasons, or a few days when you are waiting for an engineer to fix your telephone line or your "home entertainment system" used to download/stream the content to you, or a few weeks when you are waiting for an appointment for a brand new telephone line installation because you have moved house, or have gone on holiday to a place that does not offer a connection to "the cloud" or, indeed, a lifetime of loss of service if the storage provider goes out of business & takes all your virtual "assets" with them.

In any case, the UK telecommunications infrastructure at present cannot cope with (so called) "high speed" broadband connections to properties more than a few miles away from their nearest telephone exchange, so I think we have some time to reflect on what our lives will become before Science Fiction becoming Science Fact.

In contrast, purchasing the latest handheld devices that can offer a service of this nature either immediately, or within the near future, is only funding more research & development into that area.

The distribution of digital only content is a business model that (console) manufacturers, & audio/video/television providers favour as it means complete control over pricing. The loss of revenue when physical items previously purchased by individuals are sold privately is also no longer detrimental to their sales.

Owning less & less physical items however means savings in the planet's natural resources used for packaging, less pollution in manufacturing processes, and in the long-term less reliance on larger domestic environments. Look around your own home & imagine all the books, CDs, DVDs, console games, shopping catalogues, & telephone directories moved to a digital network instead of occupying space in your rooms. Imagine not receiving any postal mail at all & not having a need to retain any previously received bank, credit/charge card, or shopping catalogue statements. Newspapers & magazines... gone. Board games all converted to screen-based equivalents. Extend that thought to photographs or paintings that are now stored digitally. Nobody owns a portrait or a landscape print; everybody does! No need to have a garden any longer as you can simply download a dynamic “wallpaper” from anywhere in the world to your desktop. The sights, sounds, & smells of that location can be beamed directly to you.

Your home is now starting to be less individual & more like a cubical where you sleep & need not spend any more time because you can access all your (once) personal items from anywhere else (in the world). Migration/Relocation to any new area is just a case of plugging in your hardware somewhere else. In fact, do you ever need to move again? No need to buy any more shoes, dear. Result!

If everything can be experienced from your own cubical would we need to go out for exercise (instead of playing “WiiKinectMove”) & to socialise with others (in an online environment where we can portray ourselves in an avatar form that may not be anything like our own physical size & shape)? Fresh air? That’s provided 24-7 to you as is natural daylight when required. In fact, without interaction with the outside world do we really need to think of days in terms of hours & rotations of stars any longer? Hang on… we still need to renew the population every generation. Lack of contact with others means men & women will not be able to meet and… oh, you can do all that reproductive stuff in a laboratory now? OK, I’ll just stay home & have a cup of tea with Boy George instead. In fact, I have lots of celebrity friends… they’re in the list on my screen. Least I think it’s them. I think my kids are in this list too, but I cannot be sure as it could be anybody with that user name. What? I’ve been sending money to, & exchanging photographs with, somebody in Nigeria every week for the last 18 years? I just thought the language barrier was the way the younger generation communicated these days.

All this scrawling lines on a touch-screen with a stylus or pressing our thumbprint or eyeball against a reader is convenient, but I miss knowing how to spell my name without some software correcting it for me when I get it wrong. Perhaps I can learn how to write again… there’s a course on that I can download I think.

I know it is a great leap to associate buying the latest handheld gadgets with just having a bed, a bathroom, & a screen where you interact with the world, but we will be there one day. (Still got all these clothes to put away too… never find the time to do that as I’m always online)

The question is… what will everybody then do to earn money to afford to live that way? My name is down for the laundry service. I suggest you get in early as well.

BFN,

fp.
#30
kev_u8701r
Digital is the way forward you can fight it all you like but you will be left behind in the dark ages of physical media and you will end up as one of these current generation over 40's that can't work a pc and are scared to try something new. I will be supporting digital media all the way its great.

Keep counting... :)

Some of us in excess of the age you quoted are open to new technology; we just have more experience of past ideas that have been introduced to see when something is likely to fail.

Digital is already with us & has been so for quite a few years already.
It is the freedom of choice that I am looking for.

BFN,

fp.
1 Like #31
Haha, fp, old man, I was just about to post something similar regarding your age, something along the lines of mentioning a free bus pass or something...

:p

Josh
#32
r3tract
Haha, fp, old man, I was just about to post something similar regarding your age, something along the lines of mentioning a free bus pass or something...

:p

Josh


Hey! I resemble that remark, young'un.

BFN,

fp.
#33
I don't know much about quadcore arrangements of arm processors but did read the info about the powervr chips and even with 16 cores the powervr is 97% efficient so the NGP with 4 cores should will be even better than that.

It was mentioned about the wii's innovative controller in this thread but it was actually stolen from midway/sega and repackaged to be sufficiently different to make sueing difficult. It was not innovation but aggressive business practices that created the wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCyJZpKtdzk

If he'd actually got the royalties he deserved from the wii he might have been able to afford some trousers.

The 3DS does at least seem to be something that Nintendo have been innovative with as they have used the parallex barrier 3D technique in a new product not just ripped off someone else's idea and changed it slightly.
banned#34
psp is infinitely better than a DS so cant see that changing
banned#35
3d hurt my eyes. maybe a good castlevania game could sway me.

Prob go for the sony machine
#36
I pre ordered my 3ds yesterday. . But can't wait for the NGP! !
#37
bonzobanana
I don't know much about quadcore arrangements of arm processors but did read the info about the powervr chips and even with 16 cores the powervr is 97% efficient so the NGP with 4 cores should will be even better than that.

It was mentioned about the wii's innovative controller in this thread but it was actually stolen from midway/sega and repackaged to be sufficiently different to make sueing difficult. It was not innovation but aggressive business practices that created the wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCyJZpKtdzk


If he'd actually got the royalties he deserved from the wii he might have been able to afford some trousers.

The 3DS does at least seem to be something that Nintendo have been innovative with as they have used the parallex barrier 3D technique in a new product not just ripped off someone else's idea and changed it slightly.


Patrick E. (Pat) Goschy & John M. Lowes were both employees of Midway Amusement Games when they filed the (US) patent (#6,545,661) on 21 June 1999.

This patent was titled "Video Game Systems Having A Control Unit With An Accelerometer For Controlling A Video Game".

The two filed a further patent (#6,315,673) on 5 October 5 1999; "Motion Simulator For A Video Game".

Both patents are assigned to Midway but neither seems to describe the technology seen in the video on YouTube.com.

More information here:
[ http://brown2020.com/2008/01/why-patents-are-important-patrick-goschy-and-the-nintendo-wii/ ]

If Midway sold the rights to any patents to Nintendo then their employees do not, or should not, have any legal right to claim ownership of the technology if their employment contract states all inventions made during the period of their employment belong to Midway.

Failure to file patents prior to someone (or some other organisation) does not mean you then have a claim to some of the revenue of the sale of the technology, sadly.

Similarly, portions of Microsoft's software products are bought from those that own the rights & re-branded. Kinect for Xbox 360 isn't "all their own work" (as any PlayStation EyeToy versus Kinect for Xbox 360 thread argument will demonstrate).

Sony also buys the rights to the use of certain technologies too, or co-funds the research & development of others.

This happens a lot in industry & legal proceedings are started almost daily with patent infringements & claims of "stolen" ideas.

You have to wonder why those that make claims of this nature take so long to do so.

In this case, Nintendo produced a wireless system & re-packaging it into a commercially acceptable form with a price that was affordable to their core consumer market.

Some more information about the technology within this "Misc" thread:
"Kinect Technical Specifications made public (comparison to PlayStation Move & Wii Remote controllers)"

Also see:
"Interview with Pat Goschy, the "Real" Nintendo Wii Inventor"
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKtZysYGDLE ]

BFN,

fp.

Edited By: fanpages on Mar 20, 2011 20:09: Darn Microsoft Spell Checking software!
1 Like #38
I've never filed a parent before, but if I did they'd be called "Mum" and "Dad".

Josh
#39
bonzobanana
I don't know much about quadcore arrangements of arm processors but did read the info about the powervr chips and even with 16 cores the powervr is 97% efficient so the NGP with 4 cores should will be even better than that.

It was mentioned about the wii's innovative controller in this thread but it was actually stolen from midway/sega and repackaged to be sufficiently different to make sueing difficult. It was not innovation but aggressive business practices that created the wii.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCyJZpKtdzk[/url]

If he'd actually got the royalties he deserved from the wii he might have been able to afford some trousers.

The 3DS does at least seem to be something that Nintendo have been innovative with as they have used the parallex barrier 3D technique in a new product not just ripped off someone else's idea and changed it slightly.


Yeah the poor bloke definitely deserves something out of it. But what can you do.. The guy got screwed over by Midway Games and Nintendo took advantage. That's just the way it goes, but still .. doesn't make it right.
#40
r3tract
I've never filed a parent before, but if I did they'd be called "Mum" and "Dad".

Josh



It's a Somy keyboard... what can you do? :)

BFN,

fp.

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