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Sony To Remove 'Other OS' Feature From PS3

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Hi Folks, IGN have reported on a press release stating that Sony are to remove the 'Other OS' feature (i.e the ability to install Linux) from the MKI PS3 via a firmware update. Users can choose no… Read More
Andysan Avatar
7y, 1m agoPosted 7 years, 1 month ago
Hi Folks,

IGN have reported on a press release stating that Sony are to remove the 'Other OS' feature (i.e the ability to install Linux) from the MKI PS3 via a firmware update. Users can choose not to update but will be denied access to the Playstation Network, playback of copy-protected video and playback of any content that requires the new firmware.

Sony stated that

"Disabling the "Other OS" feature will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system."


That doesn't even make sense - how will disabling something will ensure access to a broad range of entertainment!?!!? I know that most users don't care about this feature but it's one of the main reasons that I bought this console little over one month ago. Surely even if its legal its totally unethical to do this? Theres a difference between removing the feature on new consoles and slapping a sticker on the box to removing functionality from an item already purchased.

Sony's intentions are to combat potential piracy and I'm fine with that but not at the expense of removing functionality that I've already paid for, especially when I'm not pirating anything anyway.

Source - http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1080373p1.html
Andysan Avatar
7y, 1m agoPosted 7 years, 1 month ago
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#1
this was posted here a few weeks ago
#2
what I like to know is.
When they remove option, will it also recover the 10Gb that I have Linux on to may main drive?
or if only removes option then I lost 10Gb.

Wish they say cause if they don't recover the 10Gb be dest to backup the drive and repartation it.
#3
lets start a petition now, surely if i bought it knowing that it could do this and then they decidd to take it away then i should be entitiled to a refund.....its a bit like buying a car with air conditioning and then after a year the manufacturer decides to take it away.....must be someone to make an official complaint to!!
#4
barky
this was posted here a few weeks ago


Perhaps but this press release has only come out today I believe so its an update of sorts.

rob585
lets start a petition now!!!


I certainly think that something needs to be done - I'm sick of huge corporations treading on consumers. I feel I have to stop this but am not sure how!:w00t:
#5
out of interest,did sony ever market this as a feature of the ps3? that linux could be installed? is there anything in the documentation that comes with the console about invalidating warranties etc if you change the os?
#6
barky
out of interest,did sony ever market this as a feature of the ps3? that linux could be installed? is there anything in the documentation that comes with the console about invalidating warranties etc if you change the os?


It was even on the box of my ps3, then it was in the manual how to install it and on the menu there is the option to install linux as well. Thus it would not invalidate anything at all.
#7
barky
out of interest,did sony ever market this as a feature of the ps3?


Was about to say that.
#8
How about we initiate a lawsuit against Sony....
#9
Things like lawsuits are out of reach of most citizens due to costs - are there any consumer rights groups that could pursue this on our behalf?
#10
what about trading standards!!
#11
I think I'll drop something over to these guys later - I urge everyone else to do the same:

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/contact
suspended#12
It's mostly down to stop hackers and ensure better security, which i think is worth doing.
Yes they are taking away quite a big portion of some users playability...but, they've also added things to the PS3 since release via updates, such as Home, iPlayer, in-game XMB etc.

So we win some we lose some :)
#13
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

They still need cross game voice chat, remove game save restrictions for certain games, MKV Support for the PS3,in game music for ALL titles, Backwards Compatibility. Plus I use my linux for old software emulators.
banned 1 Like #14
Talk about a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

I'd be bothered if I had Linux installed on my PS3 or if it wasn't gathering dust (literally).
#15
DarkKnight
It's mostly down to stop hackers and ensure better security, which i think is worth doing.
Yes they are taking away quite a big portion of some users playability...but, they've also added things to the PS3 since release via updates, such as Home, iPlayer, in-game XMB etc.

So we win some we lose some :)


You cant release a product with two advertised features (i.e. Linux support and support for gameplay via purchased optical media) and then give the consumer a choice over which one they would like to get rid of thereafter. Imagine if you had purchased a new car and the garage told you that they were going to remove one of your gears - you can pick which one though!

Adding iPlayer and other such updates is not an excuse to remove features that the consumer has paid for - it warrants a refund as the product is no longer fit for purpose.
#16
electriclinux
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

They still need cross game voice chat, remove game save restrictions for certain games, MKV Support for the PS3,in game music for ALL titles, Backwards Compatibility. Plus I use my linux for old software emulators.


that's a really good quote....where did ya get it from....
#17
rob585
that's a really good quote....where did ya get it from....


It was Martin Niemöller.

It was advertised as supporting linux, it should run linux. It these requests were filled:
1. Cross game voice chat
2. Remove game save restrictions
3. MKV Support
4. In game music for ALL titles
5. Backwards Compatibility if possible (although I do have a 60gb)
#18
dcx_badass
Bet the USAF are upset, they have like 100. :-D


Nah, as they just use them for the O/S side they do not need to update firmware
suspended#19
Andysan
You cant release a product with two advertised features (i.e. Linux support and support for gameplay via purchased optical media) and then give the consumer a choice over which one they would like to get rid of thereafter. Imagine if you had purchased a new car and the garage told you that they were going to remove one of your gears - you can pick which one though!

Adding iPlayer and other such updates is not an excuse to remove features that the consumer has paid for - it warrants a refund as the product is no longer fit for purpose.


True that it is taking a small part away from the PS3, but in your example about cars, it's like they are giving us free add-ons all the time for our car, like Alloy wheels, Leather seats etc.
I don't use Linux so im not affected though. so it's just win for me with the add-ons :)
#20
DarkKnight
True that it is taking a small part away from the PS3, but in your example about cars, it's like they are giving us free add-ons all the time for our car, like Alloy wheels, Leather seats etc.
I don't use Linux so im not affected though. so it's just win for me with the add-ons :)


True that it is taking a small part away from the PS3, but in your example about cars, it's like they are giving us free add-ons all the time for our car, like Alloy wheels, Leather seats and then taking out the radio and not allowing us to use it.....fixed.
#21
DarkKnight
True that it is taking a small part away from the PS3, but in your example about cars, it's like they are giving us free add-ons all the time for our car, like Alloy wheels, Leather seats etc.
I don't use Linux so im not affected though. so it's just win for me with the add-ons :)


Lol it means the fanboys like yourself will have something less to boast about having over 360.
banned#22
ryouga
Lol it means the fanboys like yourself will have something less to boast about having over 360.


There goes the thread!
#23
electriclinux
True that it is taking a small part away from the PS3, but in your example about cars, it's like they are giving us free add-ons all the time for our car, like Alloy wheels, Leather seats and then taking out the radio and not allowing us to use it.....fixed.


Sure Linux is not in many peoples interest on the PS3 so its more like taking one of your dust caps back but if you bought it with using Linux in mind then its more of a problem. Yeah, giving you extra stuff is laudable but going back to the car analogy free leather seats aren't much good when the steering wheel is removed.
#24
ryouga
Lol it means the fanboys like yourself will have something less to boast about having over 360.


No-ones mentioned fanboys so don't start that - I have both consoles and can see benefits and disadvantages in each.
#25
Andysan
No-ones mentioned fanboys so don't start that - I have both consoles and can see benefits and disadvantages in each.


I have both consoles too, just because I mentioned fanboys dont assume I dont have a PS3 lol, just often PS3 fanboys boast about how they can install Linux and the 360 cant.
suspended#26
electriclinux
True that it is taking a small part away from the PS3, but in your example about cars, it's like they are giving us free add-ons all the time for our car, like Alloy wheels, Leather seats and then taking out the radio and not allowing us to use it.....fixed.


But you could just hook up a computer to your TV if you wanted too, and that would be better right?
#27
DarkKnight
But you could just hook up a computer to your TV if you wanted too, and that would be better right?


You cant plug a pc into an crt tv or similar, and even if you can it would mean you need the pc on all the time, a console is more portable, quieter etc.

Also one of the main reasons I wanted linux was to play video formats the ps3 didnt support without networking them.
#28
DarkKnight
But you could just hook up a computer to your TV if you wanted too, and that would be better right?


He is right!
Why don't we just stop complaining about a company removing features off a product I bought (which was a selling point of the device) and go any buy another device to do the same features previously offered in addition to taking up it's own room.
#29
ryouga
I have both consoles too, just because I mentioned fanboys dont assume I dont have a PS3 lol, just often PS3 fanboys boast about how they can install Linux and the 360 cant.


OK, apologies I take that back - its just a knee-jerk reaction to seeing the word fanboy.

DarkKnight

But you could just hook up a computer to your TV if you wanted too, and that would be better right?

Its the principal of it - you could argue that a high end PC would play games better too - regardless of the feature they shouldnt be able to take it away after you've bought the console.
#30
barky
this was posted here a few weeks ago


I made reference to the fact this decision was coming in the "Anybody unable to sign into playstation network right now Error code 8001050F" thread of 1 March 2010 (31 December 1999/1 January 2000) that turned into a mud-slinging fanboy match (as always) & was subsequently removed completely. Pity as it had some interesting viewpoints in it.

Did you have another thread in mind you can point us to?


PS. The Partition Petition starts here...

BFN,

fp.
#31
Andysan
Sony's intentions are to combat potential piracy and I'm fine with that but not at the expense of removing functionality that I've already paid for, especially when I'm not pirating anything anyway.


barky
out of interest,did sony ever market this as a feature of the ps3? that linux could be installed? is there anything in the documentation that comes with the console about invalidating warranties etc if you change the os?


awoodhall2003
It was even on the box of my ps3, then it was in the manual how to install it and on the menu there is the option to install linux as well. Thus it would not invalidate anything at all.


saayinla
How about we initiate a lawsuit against Sony....


rob585
what about trading standards!!


Andysan
I think I'll drop something over to these guys later - I urge everyone else to do the same:

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/contact


The response from Sony is likely to be that you can continue to use (Yellow Dog) Linux or an"OtherOS" on your PS3 as it is an optional extra to the entertainment system. If you wish to do so then do not upgrade your System Software (Firmware Upgrade) to 3.21 when prompted to.

However, not upgrading will stop any online functionality (such as the PlayStation Store, or use of the PlayStation Network) so you may well be restricted to playing titles that allow offline usage. Certain Blu-ray Disc movies may also not be able to be watched if you do not upgrade as an individual Disc may use online features to function correctly.

To the complaints about this, Sony with then counter with; the PlayStation Network is also an optional service. You may use it, but you need to upgrade your firmware to at least version 3.21.

Apart from the cracking exploits by George Hotz, the decision to standardise the PS3 System Software across the original "Phat" & the new "Slim" models has probably been in planning for some time; especially with the pending implementation of the tiered system of subscriptions to the PlayStation Network.

The original (European) 60 GB models will then be the only exceptions to the rule with regards System Software updates due to the way in which the operating system/firmware is stored separately from the main storage of the machine in a dedicated area of memory.

I hope PS2 software-emulated backward compatibility is not the next "optional feature" to go.

BFN,

fp.
#32
DarkKnight
True that it is taking a small part away from the PS3, but in your example about cars, it's like they are giving us free add-ons all the time for our car, like Alloy wheels, Leather seats etc.
I don't use Linux so im not affected though. so it's just win for me with the add-ons :)


electriclinux
True that it is taking a small part away from the PS3, but in your example about cars, it's like they are giving us free add-ons all the time for our car, like Alloy wheels, Leather seats and then taking out the radio and not allowing us to use it.....fixed.


If the inclusion of the radio unit meant that somebody, one day, could crack open the security in your car & steal the contents (such as your credit card details stored "securely" in the glove box) then you would have a choice; continue using the same radio or remove it to protect your details.

The other option, of course, is to buy another car &/or a standalone radio unit that allows you to continue as before but is not connected to your car.

BFN,

fp.
#33
Does it affect consoles with linux already installed? Because my understanding is you would have to do a full reformat to recover the 10gb partition, which would be a major PITA for a legitimate and occasional Linux user ie one who used linux because the onboard media player "isn't the best in the world, ever" (to say the least)

this was posted here a few weeks ago


No it was pure specualtion a few weeks ago
suspended#34
fanpages
If the inclusion of the radio unit meant that somebody, one day, could crack open the security in your car & steal the contents (such as your credit card details stored "securely" in the glove box) then you would have a choice; continue using the same radio or remove it to protect your details.

The other option, of course, is to buy another car &/or a standalone radio unit that allows you to continue as before but is not connected to your car.

BFN,

fp.


^ This

So

/thread
#35
fanpages
If the inclusion of the radio unit meant that somebody, one day, could crack open the security in your car & steal the contents (such as your credit card details stored "securely" in the glove box) then you would have a choice; continue using the same radio or remove it to protect your details.

The other option, of course, is to buy another car &/or a standalone radio unit that allows you to continue as before but is not connected to your car.

BFN,

fp.


You mean get rid of linux because someone could use it to steal credit card info. By that logic get rid of the internet, it has the potential to steal!!!!!
#36
electriclinux
You mean get rid of linux because someone could use it to steal credit card info. By that logic get rid of the internet, it has the potential to steal!!!!!


So has your local Supermarket, the Postal Workers, the Politicians & your next door neighbour.... oh yes, and you! :)

BFN,

fp.
#37
fanpages
If the inclusion of the radio unit meant that somebody, one day, could crack open the security in your car & steal the contents (such as your credit card details stored "securely" in the glove box) then you would have a choice; continue using the same radio or remove it to protect your details.

The other option, of course, is to buy another car &/or a standalone radio unit that allows you to continue as before but is not connected to your car.


DarkKnight
^ This

So

/thread


:) :thumbsup:

BFN,

fp.
#38
Bottom rule is:
Don't offer something and then don't deliver.

I bought a ps3 with BC and linux support. I shouldn't have to choose between psn or linux. If there is a problem patch it, do NOT remove the function. Also they need to add:
1. Cross game voice chat
2. Remove game save restrictions
3. MKV Support
4. In game music for ALL titles
#39
fanpages
If the inclusion of the radio unit meant that somebody, one day, could crack open the security in your car & steal the contents (such as your credit card details stored "securely" in the glove box) then you would have a choice; continue using the same radio or remove it to protect your details.

The other option, of course, is to buy another car &/or a standalone radio unit that allows you to continue as before but is not connected to your car.

BFN,

fp.


Not with you on this one. Using your analogy any manufacturer could remove features that were used to sell a product unhindered.
#40
thesaint
Not with you on this one. Using your analogy any manufacturer could remove features that were used to sell a product unhindered.


If you buy a car just for the radio you need to look at your priorities about owning a vehicle.

BFN,

fp.

PS. It wasn't my analogy; I just continued the theme.

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