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Hot on the heels of my number one thread "Buddy/Ignore list" comes this thread to guide you to the proper way of using these buttons. Please be aware of how you use these buttons, it is important. … Read More
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8y, 10m agoPosted 8 years, 10 months ago
Hot on the heels of my number one thread "Buddy/Ignore list" comes this thread to guide you to the proper way of using these buttons.

Please be aware of how you use these buttons, it is important.


"With great power comes great responsibility." (Spider Man 2002)

"Please note the forum code of conduct:* Inappropriate use of the expiry and spam buttons may lead to a ban from the forums." (emmajk42 2008)
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8y, 10m agoPosted 8 years, 10 months ago
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#1
Firstly, the Spam button.

The Spam button is basically a button that removes a thread from the forum. It is not deleted, only removed to a place where only the moderators and Admin can see it.

One member can not spam a thread by themselves, it takes at least two members with full voting power to remove a thread from the forum.

You should only spam a thread if you believe it to break HUKD's Code of conduct, or if it is a duplicate thread.
It is not to be used to remove threads that you happen not to agree with. There are times when threads can be spammed that do not fit either of these criteria, but best leave that to the professionals.

If you see a thread that you wish to be spammed, press the button. You can also write a post in the thread that you have spammed it, and also the reason why, but it is not mandatory. It is best to write it in the thread though because then this is a call for others to do the same, as it can't be removed with just your pressing of it.
#2
Secondly, the "Expire" button.

The "Expire" button is for when a deal posted is no longer available. It will then preface a thread title with the words "Expired".

An "Expired" thread can not be "Spammed", so please ensure that you are making the correct decision when pressing the "Expire" button. This is especially important when abusive threads are made. It is then only when a moderator is made aware of the thread that it can be removed. I have seen some very unpleasant threads posted that have been mistakenly "Expired" that have remained for a long time because they have been "Expired" and not "Spammed".

When a thread is "Expired", you can post on it as normal. If the thread is in the "Deals" forum, you will no longer be able to vote on it.

These buttons have different uses across the forum.

This a general overview of these buttons. If you are unsure about whether to use them, the best thing to do is reporthttp://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh89/thesaint01/pics%20for%20forum/report.gif the post, and let a moderator make a decision.
[admin]#3
Thanks Thesaint- it is frustrating when members expire threads which are duplicates etc- if you come across a thread which is a duplicate or offensive then it's best to spam then hit the report button too so we can remove it quickly :)
banned#4
Im not sure why any threads in misc need to be expired really, other than to keep them from being spammed
#5
thesaint

You should only spam a thread if you believe it to break HUKD's Code of conduct, or if it is a duplicate thread.
It is not to be used to remove threads that you happen not to agree with. There are times when threads can be spammed that do not fit either of these criteria, but best leave that to the professionals.



should be bolded:thumbsup:

Nice helpful thread....again:)
#6
Gee thanks, I don't think your moment of common sense will prevent you from still spamming threads in the future though.
#7
Is it me or is this just slightly hypocritical?
Half your post count is due to the comments - Spammed!
#8
juliet_bravo
.. it is frustrating when members expire threads which are duplicates ...


So, without threads like this, how are you supposed to know to click "Spam" for a duplicate thread? I can see why people would logically think to expire it...

Why don't you get admin to change it to "Spam / Report Duplicate" or something like that, as this thread will soon disappear off the page, and we'll all be none the wiser again... (that's if the majority of people even venture into the Misc area...)
1 Like #9
sassie
Im not sure why any threads in misc need to be expired really, other than to keep them from being spammed


I suppose there is a genuine use, like when someone posts a "Help" thread, and they get it resolved. They can write it in the thread, and it may be overlooked and someone else spends a lot of time searching for them only to post it and it was already solved.

I do agree that it does more harm than good in "Misc".

black gerbil1
should be bolded:thumbsup:

Nice helpful thread....again:)


Thanks, I am one of the most helpful people on this forum. :thumbsup:

thej
By professionals,i assume you mean mods or admin?


Mods/ Admin/ SuperMods/High Class members. :)

bod emrys
Good post and very useful, but how many people are going to read it?
After the initial comments this thread will be relegated to the depths of misc - it would be useful to have this kind of info as a 'sticky'.


HUKD doesn't have "Stickies" anymore, it would be good if a mod re-wrote it and my previous banger(Buddy/Ignore), and added it to the side bar in the Forum Index. :santa:
#10
hodsey77
So, without threads like this, how are you supposed to know to click "Spam" for a duplicate thread? I can see why people would logically think to expire it...

Why don't you get admin to change it it "Spam / Report Duplicate" or something like that, as this thread will soon disappear off the page, and we'll all be none the wiser again... (that's if the majority of people even venture into the Misc area...)


Was going to suggest something like this, most members wouldn't know where to click for a duplicate, make the spam button a spam/duplicate button. Also why can a thread not be spammed when it's been expired, can we not change the system so we can still spam a thread if people have (maybe mistakenly) expired it?
#11
lumoruk
Talk about rep begging :roll: but what the hell have some for a great post :-D


Please no Rep needed in this thread, I have been told that I am steadily climbing up the rep table, if I posted in the "Congrats" threads, I believe I would be perched high on top. :-(
banned#12
thesaint
I suppose there is a genuine use, like when someone posts a "Help" thread, and they get it resolved. They can write it in the thread, and it may be overlooked and someone else spends a lot of time searching for them only to post it and it was already solved.

I do agree that it does more harm than good in "Misc".



Then maybe its time for admin to sort out the expired from the spammed, maybe keep the expire but allow it to still be spammed, i think a fair few have latched onto the expire so it cannot be removed
#13
sassie;2538303
Then maybe its time for admin to sort out the expired from the spammed, maybe keep the expire but allow it to still be spammed, i think a fair few have latched onto the expire so it cannot be removed


I agree, allow expired threads to be spammed and maybe adjust the threshold on expired, making it so it takes at least two members to expire a thread.
#14
KELLY 'N' STEVE
Is it me or is this just slightly hypocritical?
Half your post count is due to the comments - Spammed!


At first, I thought that you were being rude, but I do see that you have made an interesting point.

On some forums, your post count is reduced by the amount of posts you have made in a thread that is removed.
I don't know if this is the case on HUKD or not.

If it is the case, my post count is not half made up of the words "Spammed".

If you are correct, then I have helped to remove approximately 3500 threads that should not be on the forums. :)
banned#15
spammed threads your post count stays, if threads are removed i think your post count is affected
#16
sassie
Im not sure why any threads in misc need to be expired really, other than to keep them from being spammed


We expire threads, as mods, when we close them. Also, someone may want a thread expiring in the case where they have asked a question and it has been answered (and therefore you know you no longer need to open up that thread). Another example may be where there's a discussion about something such as the run-up to an exciting TV show or something, and it would make sense to expire this after the show has been on. Just a couple of examples.

bod emrys
I was under the impression that ones post count is reduced if the thread is removed - I'm sure someone can give a definative answer though.


No. On HUKD, when an entire thread is "spammed" it is merely hidden from view. It's only when we delete individual comments when the post count goes down. It's always been this way.

Having said that, I personally don't think that post count is a very good indicator of anything really and is a pretty pointless statistic to display on a forum... :thumbsup:
#17
sassie
spammed threads your post count stays, if threads are removed i think your post count is affected


We *can* delete a thread, which would affect post counts, but we rarely do this and usually just spam a thread in the same way you guys do.

With regards to expire/spam, our controls are exactly the same as yours except we can do it in one single click.

Hope that helps,
Duck :thumbsup:
banned#18
duckmagicuk2
We expire threads, as mods, when we close them. Also, someone may want a thread expiring in the case where they have asked a question and it has been answered (and therefore you know you no longer need to open up that thread). Another example may be where there's a discussion about something such as the run-up to an exciting TV show or something, and it would make sense to expire this after the show has been on. Just a couple of examples.



No. On HUKD, when an entire thread is "spammed" it is merely hidden from view. It's only when we delete individual comments when the post count goes down. It's always been this way.

Having said that, I personally don't think that post count is a very good indicator of anything really and is a pretty pointless statistic to display on a forum... :thumbsup:


I was referring to members expiring threads not mods, although you have said your buttons are the same as ours. Also if it is not needed then maybe members could do the same as in other boards, report and ask for it to be locked. Again why cant an expired thread still be spammed, i dont know anything about things like this, but is there a reason it couldnt work
#19
sassie;2538782
Again why cant an expired thread still be spammed, i dont know anything about things like this, but is there a reason it couldnt work


Ditto, its madness and really doesn't make any sense, a spam thread is still spam whether its been expired or not.
banned#20
Mods...please explain why Saint is a 'Professional' who can spam at will legitimate or not.....

Anyone else who spams ...even those that admit on the thread they have spammed...get suspended...


WHY IS THIS?
banned#21
ODB_69
Mods...please explain why Saint is a 'Professional' who can spam at will legitimate or not.....

Anyone else who spams ...even those that admit on the thread they have spammed...get suspended...


WHY IS THIS?


Like when I spammed the last chav thread knowing where it was going, it was put back and warned of people spamming. Next post was totally offensive and could have been avoided.

I admit the rare occasion I spam a thread and why.

Not for a mindless time passer thread though that is under Misc Nonsense.
banned#22
Prissymiss;2538918
Like when I spammed the last chav thread knowing where it was going, it was put back and warned of people spamming. Next post was totally offensive and could have been avoided.

I admit the rare occasion I spam a thread and why.

Not for a mindless time passer thread though that is under Misc Nonsense.

EXACTLY!!!

Nonsense threads should only get spammed if they are TRULY offensive, not just you find the OP offensive in general and dont like...which the OP of this thread does continually...


as much as I would like to spam certain people I dont, yet certain people get away with it
banned#23
ODB_69
EXACTLY!!!

Nonsense threads should only get spammed if they are TRULY offensive, not just you find the OP offensive in general and dont like...which the OP of this thread does continually...


as much as I would like to spam certain people I dont, yet certain people get away with it


I see this. It seems to be used out of prejudice rather than common sense alot of the time. Some peoples actions seem to slip the net.
banned#24
ODB_69
Mods...please explain why Saint is a 'Professional' who can spam at will legitimate or not.....

Anyone else who spams ...even those that admit on the thread they have spammed...get suspended...


WHY IS THIS?


Maybe because the threads he spams are also seen as spam by the mods, just a thought like
1 Like #25
ODB_69
Mods...please explain why Saint is a 'Professional' who can spam at will legitimate or not.....

Anyone else who spams ...even those that admit on the thread they have spammed...get suspended...

WHY IS THIS?


As sassie says...

sassie
Maybe because the threads he spams are also seen as spam by the mods, just a thought like


I've never seen a thread spammed by thesaint where it didn't need spamming. If you believe that anyone is spamming a thread which shouldn't be then please report the individual case. I await your reports!!

ODB_69
What...cause they are done by certain people?


This is a ridiculous suggestion. Threads are spammed by mods based on the content, not who agrees/disagrees with the thread. We check "member-spammed" threads and restore them, should they have been spammed incorrectly. This is rare, and we do warn/infract those who do spam incorrectly with malicious intent.

Please don't accuse people of things. We cannot act upon "so and so does this all of the time". Please report each individual case.

Hope that helps,
Ducky :)
banned#26
Prissymiss
They all play at being Sassie:w00t:


yeah, i thought that too, but theres only one real sassie ;-)
#27
thesaint
Firstly, the Spam button.
One member can not spam a thread by themselves, it takes at least two members with full Rep bars to do so, or many more members that don't have full rep bars. (I think I am correct in saying this, and not voting power).


I asked Emma this some time back and she said that it was full voting power (i.e. 9 ) that was the relevant factor.


I hacked into my 'user notes' and they said that I was really nice and helpful. lol
#28
Yeah, this has gone way off-topic. I'd go as far as saying as those who turned this into a "get thesaint banned" thread are trolling in here...

And yes thesaint, it is linked to the voting power.
#29
duckmagicuk2

And yes thesaint, it is linked to the voting power.


Thanks, I have amended my post. :)
#30
Prissymiss
Just lock it and if you feel the need to explain the expired and spammed rules then do so yourself. :thumbsup::-D


There has been a thread somewhere explaining to people that they should smap dupes rather than expire them. :)
banned#31
duckmagicuk2
There has been a thread somewhere explaining to people that they should smap dupes rather than expire them. :)


If the powers that be explain things properly, then there is no need for members to feel that they need to start threads such as this.

As shown in this thread, even the op is not enitirely clear on all aspects.
1 Like #32
duckmagicuk2
There has been a thread somewhere explaining to people that they should smap dupes rather than expire them. :)




http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169322
#33
No more off-topic posts please. :) If you have any concerns regarding the rules then please start a feedback thread.
#34


Thanks for finding that, that's the one Ducky asked for. :thumbsup:


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emma's post was more geared towards the problems in the 'Deals' forum, and not really an explanation about the Spam and Expired buttons.
#35
thanks for deleting my post which stated the non promotion of discussion, what a surprise.
banned#36
so could the expired button be seperated so even when expired it still could be spammed
1 Like #37
duckmagicuk2;2539269
I've never seen a thread spammed by thesaint where it didn't need spamming. If you believe that anyone is spamming a thread which shouldn't be then please report the individual case. I await your reports!


So all of these needed spamming then?


http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/207690/xbox-live-codes-wanted-please-48-hr/?p=2432670#post2432670
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/214380/bella-got-suspende/?p=2529055#post2529055
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/209564/gran-turismo-5-prologue-ps3-9-99-de/?p=2460489#post2460489
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/208946/big-brother/?p=2455091#post2455091
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/206919/anyone-awake-for-free-jelly-belly-o/?p=2420423#post2420423
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/206307/discussion-thread-page-2-onwards/showthread.php?t=206307&page=2
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/204680/i-ve-been-scammed/?p=2389046#post2389046
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/203435/help-needed-nintendo-ds-backups/?p=2372851#post2372851
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/202661/infractions/?p=2360912#post2360912
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/201295/alex-has-been-thrown-out-of-the-bb-/?p=2342033#post2342033
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/201195/big-brother-fans-voting-this-week-h/?p=2341007#post2341007
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/194544/why-are-cashbackkingslinks-unaccept/?p=2244536#post2244536
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/193521/game-preorder-go-explore-on-the-psp/?p=2228157#post2228157
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/195225/r-i-p/?p=2256049#post2256049
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/189188/further-price-drop-for-ttds-19-36-o/?p=2169404#post2169404
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/187582/yo-just-need-a-bit-of-help-from-any/?p=2144165#post2144165
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/182293/super-mario-galaxy-preowned-at-game/?p=2064151#post2064151
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/179557/ps3-with-gtaiv-on-order/?p=2019049#post2019049

Can't agree with what you say there ducky. Some of them the spamming is understandable but for plenty it doesn't fit with "You should only spam a thread if you believe it to break HUKD's Code of conduct, or if it is a duplicate thread."
banned#38
banned#39
jah128
So all of these needed spamming then?


http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/207690/xbox-live-codes-wanted-please-48-hr/?p=2432670#post2432670
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/214380/bella-got-suspende/?p=2529055#post2529055
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/209564/gran-turismo-5-prologue-ps3-9-99-de/?p=2460489#post2460489
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/208946/big-brother/?p=2455091#post2455091
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/206919/anyone-awake-for-free-jelly-belly-o/?p=2420423#post2420423
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/206307/discussion-thread-page-2-onwards/showthread.php?t=206307&page=2
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/204680/i-ve-been-scammed/?p=2389046#post2389046
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/203435/help-needed-nintendo-ds-backups/?p=2372851#post2372851
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/202661/infractions/?p=2360912#post2360912
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/201295/alex-has-been-thrown-out-of-the-bb-/?p=2342033#post2342033
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/201195/big-brother-fans-voting-this-week-h/?p=2341007#post2341007
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/194544/why-are-cashbackkingslinks-unaccept/?p=2244536#post2244536
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/193521/game-preorder-go-explore-on-the-psp/?p=2228157#post2228157
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/195225/r-i-p/?p=2256049#post2256049
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/189188/further-price-drop-for-ttds-19-36-o/?p=2169404#post2169404
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/187582/yo-just-need-a-bit-of-help-from-any/?p=2144165#post2144165
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/182293/super-mario-galaxy-preowned-at-game/?p=2064151#post2064151
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/179557/ps3-with-gtaiv-on-order/?p=2019049#post2019049

Can't agree with what you say there ducky. Some of them the spamming is understandable but for plenty it doesn't fit with "You should only spam a thread if you believe it to break HUKD's Code of conduct, or if it is a duplicate thread."



Plent of good examples for needless spamming for the sake of it just because he doesn't agree with the matter.
#40
Oh Dear.

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