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9y, 5m agoPosted 9 years, 5 months ago
I would like to share a piece of helpful info about speeding fines iv tried this and i know it works i was told about by sumone who works at a magastrates court if you get caught for speeding or running a red light when you get the fine thru the post send the payement but say it is for £40 send £41 or any small amount but has to be over the fine amount then the courts will send the over payment back for the diff by cheque this is the smart thing dont cash the cheque this way u will nt get points on your liecence cos the points are only added when the cash transaction is complete but yours wont be as you wont av cashed the cheque it will stay in the system but they will not bother you cos they have recieved the fine it realy works i did it 6mths ago and still have a clean licence happy motoring :thumbsup:
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9y, 5m agoPosted 9 years, 5 months ago
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#1
I should ask them where the full stop key is too. You seem to have lost yours.

:p
#2
Hmm. Perversion of the course of justice charges under R v Williams 92 Cr. App. R. 158 CA anyone?
#3
Its a useful tip but you still could get points/fine if they wanted to chase after you, All thats stopping them is their own laziness.

Oh BTW, The E30 325i is a great license loser! :thumbsup:
#4
seancampbell
Hmm. Perversion of the course of justice charges under R v Williams 92 Cr. App. R. 158 CA anyone?

What?
Enlighten us.
#5
Do they send you your license back without the points? Strange, that means you have to re-send them your license, doesn't it?
#6
Circumvention of punishment issued by the magisrated court can be held to be an offence - it can be charged by the CPS as perverting the course of justice or simply contempt of court. Telling others is likewise an offence of counselling someone to commit said criminal offence.
Not likely to get caught but it's akin to a jailer deciding it's OK to walk out (presumably of an open prison) after half his sentance just because he overpaid his fine by a quid.
#7
dinosteveus
What?
Enlighten us.


Perverting the Course of Justice
#8
dinosteveus
What?
Enlighten us.

I think he means its against the law:giggle:

lol - but you knew that and just wanted the whizz known as sean to post us the full article

Problem is is too many people exploit it then the loophole will be closed and we'll all be f****d - some peeps just arent responsible drivers:whistling:
#9
Plus once the loophole is closed going back over previous cases to see who abused it would be childs play. Just a quick database query for incomplete financial transactions pertaining to motoring offences.
#10
There is however a nice legal way to avoid a fine - Don't speed in the first place!
#11
seancampbell
Circumvention of punishment issued by the magisrated court can be held to be an offence - it can be charged by the CPS as perverting the course of justice or simply contempt of court. Telling others is likewise an offence of counselling someone to commit said criminal offence.
Not likely to get caught but it's akin to a jailer deciding it's OK to walk out (presumably of an open prison) after half his sentance just because he overpaid his fine by a quid.

I see, thanks. :thumbsup:

I've had a few points and I've had to send my license to the Court along with payment, they then cashed the cheque and send my license back with the points added. Why would they send the license back?
This sounds like a crock of $hit.
#12
seancampbell
Plus once the loophole is closed going back over previous cases to see who abused it would be childs play. Just a quick database query for incomplete financial transactions pertaining to motoring offences.


Surely after so long it would be written off the system anyway (Is it 5 years)?
#13

Thanks, interesting read.:thumbsup:
#14
It's a loophole in court procedures - if a fine is paid they return the liscence. If it's overpaid they have to return the excess - but while the transaction is marked as open the points are not added to the liscence.
Simple oversight that will eventually be corrected.
#15
angelkelly
I think he means its against the law:giggle:

lol - but you knew that and just wanted the whizz known as sean to post us the full article

Problem is is too many people exploit it then the loophole will be closed and we'll all be f****d - some peeps just arent responsible drivers:whistling:

Yes, so I could read it.:p
#16
seancampbell
It's a loophole in court procedures - if a fine is paid they return the liscence. If it's overpaid they have to return the excess - but while the transaction is marked as open the points are not added to the liscence.
Simple oversight that will eventually be corrected.

Why would they return the Licence?

edit,
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#17
Iom-RF
Surely after so long it would be written off the system anyway (Is it 5 years)?


We don't have any limitations on prosecuting past offences but yeah assumedly the records would be expunged eventually. They do get backed up for a long time though - far more than 5 years.

I think a copy of this thread should be supplied to the courts as it's clearly something in need of fixing. If the fines aren't paid the money is effectively lost from court budgets - so more is taken from the tax system. Thus abuse is effectively stealing from other taxpayers (though obviously not in a legal sense, just a moral one)
#18
dinosteveus
Why would they return the License?


It's magistrates procedural rules that it must be returned within 28 days of the fine being paid.
It's also procedure that points are NOT put on untill the financial penalty is complete.
#19
dinosteveus
I see, thanks. :thumbsup:

I've had a few points and I've had to send my license to the Court along with payment, they then cashed the cheque and send my license back with the points added. Why would they send the license back?
This sounds like a crock of $hit.

That was the first thing that sprung to mind for me,what happens to your licence that you have sent off with you cheque,do they keep it until the fine is settled correctly,in this case it wouldn't,so do they keep it indefinately or what.:?
Edit:Just been answered by Judge Sean.
#20
dinosteveus
Yes, so I could read it.:p

:p :giggle:
#21
seancampbell
It's magistrates procedural rules that it must be returned within 28 days of the fine being paid.
It's also procedure that points are NOT put on untill the financial penalty is complete.


Ummmmmm, This seems rather stupid to me, if the fine is overpaid, but still paid I'd have thought the points would be added and the 'overpayment' sent back, along with the Licence.

I apologise for my comment about this being a crock of $hit, it seems very wrong but they must know about it so why don't they sort it?
#22
seancampbell
I think a copy of this thread should be supplied to the courts as it's clearly something in need of fixing. If the fines aren't paid the money is effectively lost from court budgets - so more is taken from the tax system. Thus abuse is effectively stealing from other taxpayers (though obviously not in a legal sense, just a moral one)


I see your point Sean, But there are loads of loopholes, This is one of many.

The obvious answer to avoid points is not to break the law, But sometimes even the best of people get caught out.

If you got points, Would you not try to find a loophole to get out of it?
#23
I watched a TV programme about some top lawyer that the 'stars' use to get them off driving bans etc, Apparently he has not lost a case but charges a lot of money. He knows all the legal loopholes to get his 'clients' off.
Money talks.
#24
Iom-RF
I see your point Sean, But there are loads of loopholes, This is one of many.

The obvious answer to avoid points is not to break the law, But sometimes even the best of people get caught out.

If you got points, Would you not try to find a loophole to get out of it?


Certainly not one that may give rise to far greater criminal liability & one that is so obvious to find abusers of.

A copy of this thread has been forwarded to Her Majestrys Courts Services - I strongly suggest none of you abuse this as it will be closed.
#25
dinosteveus
I watched a TV programme about some top lawyer that the 'stars' use to get them off driving bans etc, Apparently he has not lost a case but charges a lot of money. He knows all the legal loopholes to get his 'clients' off.
Money talks.


Most of the time if you dispute it the evidence is so poor you'll get off - but you'll still have a whacking great legal bill. Only really worth it for the super rich.
#26
Sean, are you a qualified Solicitor?
#27
dinosteveus
Sean, are you a qualified Solicitor?

Not a solicitor no.
#28
is this 20 questions can I have a go.

Your a bobby :)
#29
seancampbell
Not a solicitor no.

What then?
You seem very switched on the Law.
#30
seancampbell
Certainly not one that may give rise to far greater criminal liability & one that is so obvious to find abusers of.



So in effect you've closed the easy loophole and left the more difficult ones were only a legal team would be able to get the points off?

Heres hoping the letter you sent will be ignored/Was an empty threat.
#31
stora
is this 20 questions can I have a go.

Your a bobby :)

PMSL.:giggle: :giggle:
No, he's called Sean. :whistling: :whistling:
1 Like #32
Punishments are there for a reason - if it gets closed it's closed to prevent abuse of a system. Just because someone wrote an incorrect number on a cheque should not excuse them from a punishment handed down by the court. By all means if your innocent contest it in court - if not just pay the fine and don't do it again. Certainly not an empty threat.
Sorry if you feel breaking the law is something trivial that can be evaded but I have an obligation to report this. It may get ignored but that's out of my hands.
#33
stora
is this 20 questions can I have a go.

Your a bobby :)


God no, though I expect I'd look rather dashing in the uniform.
#34
seancampbell
God no, though I expect I'd look rather dashing in the uniform.

:whistling: I wont say a word

Bad Kelly...........:p

Law student? Am I right?
#35
angelkelly
:whistling: I wont say a word

Bad Kelly...........:p

Law student? Am I right?


That's what it says on my profile.
1 Like #36
lol - remebered it from MSN

fancy coming over to the weekend thread and posting some pics?:whistling:

Bad bad bad Kelly........:p
#37
seancampbell
Sorry if you feel breaking the law is something trivial that can be evaded.


But surely thats exactly what a solicitor is for, To make the punishment as little as possible or to totally get off all together, The only difference being that this loophole avoids using a solicitor but results in the same outcome.

In theory if you're poor you'll get a harsher punishment (because you can't afford a good solicitor) than if you were rich.

I'd guess Sean is a legal adviser. (Edit : Law Student!)
#38
Iom-RF
But surely thats exactly what a solicitor is for, To make the punishment as little as possible or to totally get off all together.

The only difference being that this loophole avoids using a solicitor but results in the same outcome.

In theory if you're poor you'll get a harsher punishment (because you can't afford a good solicitor) than if you were rich.

I'd guess Sean is a legal adviser.

Legal defences are provided freely in criminal defence situations - they are as talented as any other criminal defence specialist lawyers. There are going to be cases of the guilty getting off - but 99% of the time it's a burden of proof thing as opposed to a technicality. You just don't hear about it as much.
#39
I hope the courts are aware of this, Otherwise there will be allsorts of tossers speeding,and not caring about it
#40
Well there isn't a lot more can be said! (It would be me pointlessly arguing otherwise!)

Feel sorry Pavillion has shot himself in the foot trying to help others though!

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