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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
Did any body see the programme on BBC 1 I think it was about the knife culture seen in the UK. It was terrible - what goes through these peoples minds that they would start a fight with someone and then knife them a few times...
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
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#1
welcome to the uk
#2
King of Thieves;4149828
welcome to the uk


It did mentioned that the worst place for it was Scotland
#3
problem is most of these idiots are 3rd generation scum, only cure is breeding licences.
#4
chrishill
problem is most of these idiots are 3rd generation scum, only cure is breeding licences.

:-D
#5
red_dwarfer
It did mentioned that the worst place for it was Scotland


Hmm that sounds like a massive generalisation as I am from Scotland and never been threatened with a knife, my brother did once when he was 16 but that was because he was in a stereotypical "chav" estate full of junkies and single parents who the locals hung around in gangs, never any local news about knife crime, compared to just over the border in Cumbria where it was commonplace.
#6
was that the on BBC1 ?
banned#7
crazy times we live in. Kids dont have respect anymore
#8
hankmarvin4
crazy times we live in. Kids dont have respect anymore


lol! Take a look at the so called 'adults' then you'll see why. How can you expect kids to have respect when you see people like russell brand becoming famous.
banned#9
King of Thieves
lol! Take a look at the so called 'adults' then you'll see why. How can you expect kids to have respect when you see people like russell brand becoming famous.


I was thinking more along the lines of their dads are absent and mums are uneducated. I dont think Russell Brand being famous has a direct impact on the murder rate accross the UK!

I get what you mean though, I think!
#10
hankmarvin4
I was thinking more along the lines of their dads are absent and mums are uneducated. I dont think Russell Brand being famous has a direct impact on the murder rate accross the UK!

I get what you mean though, I think!


I suppose you're right, chav mums dont exactly demand respect. Think the idea of breeding licences should be put into play :lol:
banned#11
King of Thieves
I suppose you're right, chav mums dont exactly demand respect. Think the idea of breeding licences should be put into play :lol:


But those chav mums keep the employees of places such as Elizabeth Duke in jobs! You are not offically a parent until you have the 'mum' ring

I agree about a breeding licence. If a woman is on full benefits, she should not be allowed to have kid after kid at the taxpayers expense. I know a woman that has 4 kids by 4 different fathers (poor mans Ulrika) and lives in a 3 bed town house for £5 a week, with all bills paid!
#12
it was so scary...esp as i have two young boys...i dread what the soical scene will be like when they r teens... will deperately try and keep them busy with other hoobies/activities so they are not lured into this....but u really cant say...

scary those massive swords ppl have and the way they knofed their victims
#13
All boys could be sterilised at birth. When they are old enough and prove they can support a family it could be reversed. No benifit culture and both parents living together.

WE know someone who divorced, sold the house and split the profit. She now lives in a three bedroomed house paid by the council £700 a month, minimal poll tax payments etc etc and a trip to the nail bar once a week at £25 a time.

Off on a rant there...............
#14
King of Thieves
I suppose you're right, chav mums dont exactly demand respect. Think the idea of breeding licences should be put into play :lol:



ie; marriage
#15
hankmarvin4
crazy times we live in. Kids dont have respect anymore


nonsense, they have the same amount of respect as the kids in 50's 60's etc. just have a look at the razor gangs of those eras and all the other gang violence that went on.
the adults were blaming elvis and the sex pistols for the supposed rise in violence much the same way russel brand etc are blamed today.

nothing has changed apart from the fact if some kid is stabbed in an alley in london then it'll be on the news and known all over the country in minutes due to the expanding media whereas in the fifties and sixties the only people who knew about it lved in a 2 mile radius.

its human nature and it'll take hundreds of years to change.
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/me stabs red_dwarfer in the chest

ave it! xD
#17
Mo786
/me stabs red_dwarfer in the chest

ave it! xD


edi'll be throwing you out
banned#18
ants97
nonsense, they have the same amount of respect as the kids in 50's 60's etc. just have a look at the razor gangs of those eras and all the other gang violence that went on.
the adults were blaming elvis and the sex pistols for the supposed rise in violence much the same way russel brand etc are blamed today.

nothing has changed apart from the fact if some kid is stabbed in an alley in london then it'll be on the news and known all over the country in minutes due to the expanding media whereas in the fifties and sixties the only people who knew about it lved in a 2 mile radius.

its human nature and it'll take hundreds of years to change.


This is nonsense!

Now I certainly was not around in the 50's and 60's but I was a teenager 8/10 years ago, and I can assure you kids of today are far more violent than they were 8/10 years ago. Its not just an increase violence alone, it is an increase in the level of violence that children use. Kids of 11 and 12 were not armed in the 50's and 60's.

You are seriously saying that knife crime has not risen since the 1950's?!! It is just the improvement in communication that makes it seem that way?!!
#19
Mo786;4152102
/me stabs red_dwarfer in the chest

ave it! xD


Cheers

Just reminds me of the program at the CCTV footage of the guy getting stabbed *shudder*
#20
hankmarvin4
This is nonsense!

Now I certainly was not around in the 50's and 60's but I was a teenager 8/10 years ago, and I can assure you kids of today are far more violent than they were 8/10 years ago.

You are seriously saying that knife crime has not risen since the 1950's?!! It is just the improvement in communication that makes it seem that way?!!


yes.

I to was a teenager 10 years ago and I don't see any rise violence since then. I was never threatened with a knife and all my younger cousins, mate younger brthers etc aren't running about like extras from mad max these days either.

Its all rose tinted glasses nonsense.

Look it up, a simple google of razor gangs throws up tales of extreme violence from days of yore when everyone had all this "respect".
#21
ants97
yes.

I to was a teenager 10 years ago and I don't see any rise violence since then. I was never threatened with a knife and all my younger cousins, mate younger brthers etc aren't running about like extras from mad max these days either.

Its all rose tinted glasses nonsense.

Look it up, a simple google of razor gangs throws up tales of extreme violence from days of yore when everyone had all this "respect".


There may have been violence back then. But these days there is more violence around and more unprovoked violence.
#22
King of Thieves
There may have been violence back then. But these days there is more violence around and more unprovoked violence.


I severely doubt that there is, just that any attack is now more likely to be reprted to and logged by the police as well as the increase in the amount of media outlets reporting the attacks but I doubt that'll change your mind that we are living in a barren wasteland were groups of ferrel knife and machete wielding youths run about gouging grannies and innocent shoppers.

In 20 years the argument will still be the same and some new popstar, comedian, video game, film, holodisc or men from mars will be blamed on the the lack of respect from the youth as it has done for the last 100 years.
banned#23
Maybe it is something to do with area then, certainly where I live it is far more violent than 10 years ago.

I had a quick google on razor gangs, very violent but hardly nationwide violence like this is today, and similar to the gangs in the 1900's in the east end, chinese drug dealers etc.

New govt figures indicate that in the year 2007-8 there were some 277 deaths from stabbings in England & Wales alone (the highest recorded figure for 30 years).

But the fact that violent crime has risen massively since the 50's cannot be ignored, regardless of 'razor gangs'
#24
ants97
I severely doubt that there is, just that any attack is now more likely to be reprted to and logged by the police as well as the increase in the amount of media outlets reporting the attacks but I doubt that'll change your mind that we are living in a barren wasteland were groups of ferrel knife and machete wielding youths run about gouging grannies and innocent shoppers.

In 20 years the argument will still be the same and some new popstar, comedian, video game, film, holodisc or men from mars will be blamed on the the lack of respect from the youth as it has done for the last 100 years.


lol, reported and logged to the police? Where do you live. Loads of attacks I know about aren't reported to the police.
When I say kids are are more prone to unprovoked violence then before I'm not on about how the media portray violence, I'm on about what I see and hear with my own 2 eyes and ears.
An example is the other month there was a house party and one guy got stupidly drunk, he left with a few friends one of them had a largish pocket knife. The walked for a while and some man was walking towards them on the same side of the street. The man was minding his own business and one of the drunk guys walked up to him stabbed him a few times in the stomach then walked off. Why... because he 'felt like it.' This is just one case, it was around october and the guy still walks the street to this day.

Like it said, it may not be as violent but there is a hell of a lot more unprovoked violence.
#25
hankmarvin4
Maybe it is something to do with area then, certainly where I live it is far more violent than 10 years ago.

I had a quick google on razor gangs, very violent but hardly nationwide violence like this is today, and similar to the gangs in the 1900's in the east end, chinese drug dealers etc.

New govt figures indicate that in the year 2007-8 there were some 277 deaths from stabbings in England & Wales alone (the highest recorded figure for 30 years).

But the fact that violent crime has risen massively since the 50's cannot be ignored, redardless of 'razor gangs'


I used razor gangs as one small example to show that there was violence in the halcyon days of yore. I still don't believe violence has risen dramatically from the 50's.

The figures don't mean a thing as they way they have been collected over the years has changed, as well as both peoples and the polices attitude to reporting any attack so I wouldn't pay to much attention to those.
#26
King of Thieves
lol, reported and logged to the police? Where do you live. Loads of attacks I know about aren't reported to the police.
When I say kids are are more prone to unprovoked violence then before I'm not on about how the media portray violence, I'm on about what I see and hear with my own 2 eyes and ears.
An example is the other month there was a house party and one guy got stupidly drunk, he left with a few friends one of them had a largish pocket knife. The walked for a while and some man was walking towards them on the same side of the street. The man was minding his own business and one of the drunk guys walked up to him stabbed him a few times in the stomach then walked off. Why... because he 'felt like it.' This is just one case, it was around october and the guy still walks the street to this day.

Like it said, it may not be as violent but there is a hell of a lot more unprovoked violence.


even more attacks back in the the day I believe went unreported than today as it wasn;t the done thing.

I'll give you another example from 11 years ago, a mate of mine leaving a local club was jumped by a group containing a workmate of his. They stamped on his head breaking his jaw and while kicking seven shades of **** out of him also snapped his arm. The guy ater the police couldn't take any further due to no witnesses confessed that they had done it as they didn't like look of him. Incidentally one of the guys is now a lawyer.

For every unprovoked attack today there will be just as bad storeis from yesteryear.
#27
ants97
even more attacks back in the the day I believe went unreported than today as it wasn;t the done thing.

I'll give you another example from 11 years ago, a mate of mine leaving a local club was jumped by a group containing a workmate of his. They stamped on his head breaking his jaw and while kicking seven shades of **** out of him also snapped his arm. The guy ater the police couldn't take any further due to no witnesses confessed that they had done it as they didn't like look of him. Incidentally one of the guys is now a lawyer.

For every unprovoked attack today there will be just as bad storeis from yesteryear.


You could be right mate, I'm not exactly old but from what I hear adults say it seems that kids act worse these days then they did before.
banned#28
ants97
I still don't believe violence has risen dramatically from the 50's.


I dont think there is a police officer, judge, teacher or lawyer in this country that would agree with you.

This country gets more violent by the day, a fact. My dad grew up in the 50s and 60s, he says that todays world is a million times more violent. Not on a par, but massively worse.

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