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JonnyTwoToes Avatar
banned6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
So now we hear of the fire fighters in London going on strike because they've got to move their shift patterns a little. And what a perfect day to take the strike to maximise the pain and suffering of those paying their wages. Pathetic!

When everyone in the private sector is taking pay cuts, reducing hours and doing everything they can to retain the jobs they have, we get the same old story from the public sector, holding this country to ransom - it's black mail!

Why can't people just knuckle down and get on with what needs to be done to get this country back on track?

I hope the fire fighter bosses tell them to get stuffed and get the army ready on reserve for 5th November!
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banned6y, 1m agoPosted 6 years, 1 month ago
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1 Like #1
+1 ....

was serving when the last strikes were on.. get out the Green Godesses....

Edited By: arcangel111 on Oct 26, 2010 10:25: .
#2
What we need is to get some immigrants in to do their job!





Sorry Jonny - raw nerve!!
3 Likes #3
All the unions need to wind their necks in, otherwise this country is screwed. I saw a unison rep bleating on the local news after the council announced job losses que OUTRAGE!!! from the rep in reality those job losses are over 4 years and are not quite as drastic as made out, natural wastage etc Hopefully Cameron will finish the job Thatch started and crush the unions. Unions had a place during the dark satanic mills phase but now they are redundant and only self serving.
#4
arcangel111
+1 ....

was serving when the last strikes were on.. get out the Green Godesses....

I was in the Army back then, bunch of jumped up ****ers firemen
banned#5
cannyscot
What we need is to get some immigrants in to do their job!





Sorry Jonny - raw nerve!!


I'm not against immigrants. I'm against lazy benefit chasers.

Edited By: JonnyTwoToes on Oct 26, 2010 10:38: spelling
#6
When everyone in the private sector is taking pay cuts, reducing hours and doing everything they can to retain the jobs they have, we get the same old story from the public sector, holding this country to ransom - it's black mail!

Oh no people risking their own lifes (Fire fighters) are being compared with private sector pen pushers oh should of known the OP was the person in question, what next.
#7
lol - hello again Paddy....
#8
Maybe the big society can step in
Everybody line up with your buckets of water
[mod]#9
I'm completely against Strikers (except footy :D ). All they do is try to end natural progression and cause problems and misery for the general public.

Don't like it then do something else as there is always someone who will do it in your place.
#10
i say god bless the asbo trophy hunters in my area, cos if they weren't around the Fire Brigade would have no car fires to put out.... keeps them in a job !
#11
Seems a bit harsh to go on strike because of this, in my experience this is the shift that most workers do on 'continentals'

The Fire Brigades Union is protesting at plans to re-employ 5,500 firemen on new shift patterns. At present they work two nine-hour day-shifts followed by two 15-hour night-shifts.

But London Fire Commissioner Ron Dobson and Tory fire authority chairman Brian Coleman want them to work two 12-hour day-shifts followed by two 12-hour night-shifts, with four days off, to allow more time for daytime community fire prevention work.
banned#12
DKLS
All the unions need to wind their necks in, otherwise this country is screwed. I saw a unison rep bleating on the local news after the council announced job losses que OUTRAGE!!! from the rep in reality those job losses are over 4 years and are not quite as drastic as made out, natural wastage etc Hopefully Cameron will finish the job Thatch started and crush the unions. Unions had a place during the dark satanic mills phase but now they are redundant and only self serving.


Here here!!!!!!
5 Likes #13
arcangel111
lol - hello again Paddy....

Just found these from last time


http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8610/firefightersjpg2.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3013/firefighters.jpg



Edited By: Paddy_o_furniture on Oct 26, 2010 10:41: removed swear
banned#14
Adam2050
When everyone in the private sector is taking pay cuts, reducing hours and doing everything they can to retain the jobs they have, we get the same old story from the public sector, holding this country to ransom - it's black mail!


Oh no people risking their own lifes (Fire fighters) are being compared with private sector pen pushers oh should of known the OP was the person in question, what next.


What? It's the private sector that is keeping this country alive!
5 Likes #15
I swear to god, some of you aren’t this dimwitted on purpose are you?

Lets be very clear about what the strike is about and why the union has decided to take action, it’s over hours.

It isn’t over reduced pay, reduced hours or redundancies....

They want fire fighters to go back to 12 hour day / 12 hour night shifts, which has the unfortunately effect of people with families hardly ever getting to see their kids.

Now while i could appreciate the stupidity and sheer selfishness of striking over pay in the current climate, i can’t see a problem with a unionship rallying against a shift change which would have quite a determental affect on there lives.

Just because the country is in a state with hundreds of thousands of people getting laid off, it doesn’t mean unions should not act to protect the interests of their membership. Providing they are not unreasonable.

Edited By: spritey on Oct 26, 2010 10:43: .
#16
JonnyTwoToes
Adam2050
When everyone in the private sector is taking pay cuts, reducing hours and doing everything they can to retain the jobs they have, we get the same old story from the public sector, holding this country to ransom - it's black mail!
Oh no people risking their own lifes (Fire fighters) are being compared with private sector pen pushers oh should of known the OP was the person in question, what next.
What? It's the private sector that is keeping this country alive!

It's like comparing cheese with fish.

Await the eventual blame on Labour, because clearly that's the mind set.

Edited By: Adam2050 on Oct 26, 2010 10:43: .
banned#17
greg_68
Seems a bit harsh to go on strike because of this, in my experience this is the shift that most workers do on 'continentals'

The Fire Brigades Union is protesting at plans to re-employ 5,500 firemen on new shift patterns. At present they work two nine-hour day-shifts followed by two 15-hour night-shifts.

But London Fire Commissioner Ron Dobson and Tory fire authority chairman Brian Coleman want them to work two 12-hour day-shifts followed by two 12-hour night-shifts, with four days off, to allow more time for daytime community fire prevention work.


When my partner worked in ITU, she worked 7 days of 12 hour shifts, the straight back to a different shift pattern before having ANY days off. The fact that nurses CAN'T strike is not the issue. She does it because she cares for the people she is helping!

Like someone else said, don't become a fire fighter and then strike about how crap it is! Leave if you don't like it!
#18
LMFAO..... well found mate !
1 Like #19
spritey
I swear to god, you all aren’t this dimwitted on purpose are you?

Lets be very clear about what the strike is about and why the union has decided to take action, it’s over hours.

It isn’t over reduced pay, reduced hours or redundancies....

They want fire fighters to go back to 12 hour day / 12 hour night shifts, which has the unfortunately effect of people with families hardly ever getting to see their kids.

Now while i could appreciate the stupidity and sheer selfishness of striking over pay in the current climate, i can’t see a problem with a unionship rallying against a shift change which would have quite a determental affect on there lives.

Just because the country is in a state with hundreds of thousands of people getting laid off, it doesn’t mean unions should not act to protect the interests of their membership. Providing they are not unreasonable.

They are hardly going to get any sympathy to be honest are they. Especially from people in the forces/ex-forces who can go away from home for up to 9 months. My heart bleeds for them.

(I know army strike cover hasn't been mentioned, those are just from the last time the fireman spat their dummies out).
[helper]#20
arcangel111
.. get out the Green Godesses....
I'm sure I read somewhere that they've scrapped them......

Fire union is stupid for letting this strike go ahead at one of their busiest time of year. They've just blown any sympathy/support the public might have for their greivance....
banned#21
spritey
I swear to god, you all aren’t this dimwitted on purpose are you?

Lets be very clear about what the strike is about and why the union has decided to take action, it’s over hours.

It isn’t over reduced pay, reduced hours or redundancies....

They want fire fighters to go back to 12 hour day / 12 hour night shifts, which has the unfortunately effect of people with families hardly ever getting to see their kids.

Now while i could appreciate the stupidity and sheer selfishness of striking over pay in the current climate, i can’t see a problem with a unionship rallying against a shift change which would have quite a determental affect on there lives.

Just because the country is in a state with hundreds of thousands of people getting laid off, it doesn’t mean unions should not act to protect the interests of their membership. Providing they are not unreasonable.


Rubbish! Unions = socialist nonsense!

What's wrong with rolling up the sleeves and getting done what is being asked of you?
banned#22
Paddy_o_furniture
spritey
I swear to god, you all aren’t this dimwitted on purpose are you?

Lets be very clear about what the strike is about and why the union has decided to take action, it’s over hours.

It isn’t over reduced pay, reduced hours or redundancies....

They want fire fighters to go back to 12 hour day / 12 hour night shifts, which has the unfortunately effect of people with families hardly ever getting to see their kids.

Now while i could appreciate the stupidity and sheer selfishness of striking over pay in the current climate, i can’t see a problem with a unionship rallying against a shift change which would have quite a determental affect on there lives.

Just because the country is in a state with hundreds of thousands of people getting laid off, it doesn’t mean unions should not act to protect the interests of their membership. Providing they are not unreasonable.

They are hardly going to get any sympathy to be honest are they. Especially from people in the forces/ex-forces who can go away from home for up to 9 months. My heart bleeds for them.

(I know army strike cover hasn't been mentioned, those are just from the last time the fireman spat their dummies out).


Exactly!
1 Like #23
Paddy_o_furniture
They are hardly going to get any sympathy to be honest are they. Especially from people in the forces/ex-forces who can go away from home for up to 9 months. My heart bleeds for them.(I know army strike cover hasn't been mentioned, those are just from the last time the fireman spat their dummies out).

I'm not going to get into a debate over who's got it worse, because there is always a more unfortunate sod stood right next to you.. They have a union, they have a right to take action against changes they feel are not reasonable. This is not a strike over pay or redundancies.
2 Likes #24
Unions play a vital and valuable role in protecting many millions of peoples pay and conditions and a lot of us would be lost without them but this shift change doesn't seem to warrant a strike to me.

2 x 9 day shifts and 2 x 15 hour shifts changed to 2 x 12 hour days and 2 x 12 hour nights smacks of less cushy time on nights and more work to do in the day to me.



Edited By: greg_68 on Oct 26, 2010 10:50: .
#25
JonnyTwoToes
Rubbish! Unions = socialist nonsense!What's wrong with rolling up the sleeves and getting done what is being asked of you?

Ok, perhaps you are being dimwitted on purpose.. There seems no other explaination...

You do realize that unions were born of the fact that companies would under pay their staff, force them to work in poor conditions and simply give them the boot if anyone complained about it.

Unions gave the working man a right to demand what was fair from their employer, it gave women the right to demand what was fair in a world stricken with inequality..

Sure.. On rare occasions a unionship will take things to far, demanding things which are completely unreasonable.. Fortunately, this is not one of those times.

Edited By: spritey on Oct 26, 2010 10:52: .
#26
Whilst unions do some good usually I also think they like to stir trouble like this to justify their jobs. Usually most of the workers don't want the trouble that the unions are stirring.
#27
spritey
JonnyTwoToes
Rubbish! Unions = socialist nonsense!What's wrong with rolling up the sleeves and getting done what is being asked of you?
Ok, perhaps you are being dimwitted on purpose..

Or perhaps its another popcorn moment!!
#28
spritey
Paddy_o_furniture
They are hardly going to get any sympathy to be honest are they. Especially from people in the forces/ex-forces who can go away from home for up to 9 months. My heart bleeds for them.(I know army strike cover hasn't been mentioned, those are just from the last time the fireman spat their dummies out).


I'm not going to get into a debate over who's got it worse, because there is always a more unfortunate sod stood right next to you.. They have a union, they have a right to take action against changes they feel are not reasonable. This is not a strike over pay or redundancies.


The armed forces don't have a union , year on year they get on with a difficult job, the majority of years they get a pish pay rise, all that whilst the new government reduces numbers in the Armed forces, so they'll be further stretched in the future.


The firefighters will get little sympathy from this.

Not be long till the Argies decide that they want the Falklands back, further over stretching the forces again.
#29
Goofeys Girl
Whilst unions do some good usually I also think they like to stir trouble like this to justify their jobs. Usually most of the workers don't want the trouble that the unions are stirring.

Most unions will have a ballot system, so a strike can not take place without a certain % of the vote from their unionship... So that is complete rubbish..
[helper]#30
spritey
JonnyTwoToes
Rubbish! Unions = socialist nonsense!What's wrong with rolling up the sleeves and getting done what is being asked of you?
Ok, perhaps you are being dimwitted on purpose.. There seems no other explaination....
No he's not being dimwitted, he's simply a card carrying member of the blue rinse brigade (Victorian values, Victorian work ethics, Victorian slums/workhouses/poverty) aka Tory party.

Edited By: gari189 on Oct 26, 2010 10:57: ?
1 Like #31
"Unions = socialist nonsense!"

+1
Wherever I have worked if I didnt like the Ts and Cs, I either renegotiated my contract with senior Mgt or found a new role where the Ts and Cs were more to my liking.

I have an intense dislike of unions, self serving parasites at best.
#32
Goofeys Girl
Whilst unions do some good usually I also think they like to stir trouble like this to justify their jobs. Usually most of the workers don't want the trouble that the unions are stirring.


Usually firemen also had part time jobs on the side to add to their wages. Changing work patterns could mess this up. Personally if they got a fair but good wage to start with then they should not have to worry about the shifts.
Hope it gets sorted quickly.
#33
DKLS
"Unions = socialist nonsense!"+1 Wherever I have worked if I didnt like the Ts and Cs, I either renegotiated my contract with senior Mgt or found a new role where the Ts and Cs were more to my liking. I have an intense dislike of unions, self serving parasites at best.

As opposed to the bankers with million pound bonuses.
#34
gari189
spritey
JonnyTwoToes
Rubbish! Unions = socialist nonsense!What's wrong with rolling up the sleeves and getting done what is being asked of you?
Ok, perhaps you are being dimwitted on purpose.. There seems no other explaination....
No he's not being dimwitted, he's simply a card carrying member of the blue rinse brigade (aka Tory party)

Different thread, different topic, same blinded views, suprised he isn't alongside Cameron right now.
banned 1 Like #35
spritey
JonnyTwoToes
Rubbish! Unions = socialist nonsense!What's wrong with rolling up the sleeves and getting done what is being asked of you?


Ok, perhaps you are being dimwitted on purpose.. There seems no other explaination...

You do realize that unions were born of the fact that companies would under pay their staff, force them to work in poor conditions and simply give them the boot if anyone complained about it.

Unions gave the working man a right to demand what was fair from their employer, it gave women the right to demand what was fair in a world stricken with inequality..

Sure.. On rare occasions a unionship will take things to far, demanding things which are completely unreasonable.. Fortunately, this is not one of those times.


No need to get personal Spritey - insults aren't warranted.... yet! X)
I agree that unions played a vital role in early industry working conditions.
Nowadays we have more than ample regulation in favour of the employees both in the UK and as part of the EU.
As I have already stated, my partner works as a nurse who would regularly work 12 hour shifts over many days, quite often to cover sick staff or at very late notice. Nurses aren't allowed to strike but she wouldn't have done so anyway.

What ever happened to hard work without complaining all the time?

Edited By: JonnyTwoToes on Oct 26, 2010 11:01: spelling
1 Like #36
Perhaps this comes in a long line of changes in work conditions and the unions / workforce have said enough is enough. Having been there and done that I am only too aware that the press only publish the headline hitting details and leave out anything that they don't want you to see.

I don't like criticising any strikers as they are usually doing it for a very good reason and as I said 99% of outsiders do not know or understand the full story behind the action
#37
Not sure what's going on with these statements.

http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/writing/figs/contradiction.jpg
[helper]#38
Heres a test of David Cameron's "Big Society" - get your garden hose out, wellies (paint them yellow) and a bucket of sand might come in handy. Ask your grandad for his ARP tin hat, gather round the old jo'anna, sing Vera Lynn songs and bobs your uncle.....
#39
gari189
Heres a test of David Cameron's "Big Society" - get your garden hose out, wellies (paint them yellow) and a bucket of sand might come in handy. Ask your grandad for his ARP tin hat, gather round the old jo'anna, sing Vera Lynn songs and bobs your uncle.....

I said it first. You have just added the bells and whistles...... :)
banned#40
gari189
Heres a test of David Cameron's "Big Society" - get your garden hose out, wellies (paint them yellow) and a bucket of sand might come in handy. Ask your grandad for his ARP tin hat, gather round the old jo'anna, sing Vera Lynn songs and bobs your uncle.....


Not a bad idea.

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