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STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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banned5y, 5m agoPosted 5 years, 5 months ago
Up to 750,000 public sector workers will join a mass walkout later this month after members of a third union backed industrial action.

The PCS said its 290,000 members had to defend themselves against "attacks" on their pensions by the government.

The civil servants will strike on 30 June - the same days as hundreds of thousands of teachers and lecturers.


Book July 1st off and you can get a 4 day weekend!!
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banned5y, 5m agoPosted 5 years, 5 months ago
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banned 1 Like #1
I have July 1st off already, but im not public sector.

Traffic will be murder on the 30th as all the lazy slobs set off on their weekend breaks.
#2
Oh dear, benefits payments delayed. oO
#3
cannyscot
Oh dear, benefits payments delayed. oO


Don't most get paid on a Friday? If so, there should be no problem there as the 30th is a Thursday. If you are worried about a payment though, give them a call on the 29th and check.
#4
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either
5 Likes #5
highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either


Most teachers don't stop work when all the kids are sent home. They can still be in school until after 6 pm, and prepare for the next days lesson when they get home. I think they deserve longer than six weeks. My wife is a primary school teacher (year 6), so I might be a touch biased here :)
banned#6
I have no problem with teachers striking - I just wish they'd strike for the right reasons. Things like their profession being turned into nothing more than a 'paint-by-numbers' exercise or the lack of decent candidates for positions are surely as strikeworthy as pay aren't they?
#7
cannyscot
Oh dear, benefits payments delayed. oO


Benefit payments are automated aren't they?
#8
Predikuesi
highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either


Most teachers don't stop work when all the kids are sent home. They can still be in school until after 6 pm, and prepare for the next days lesson when they get home. I think they deserve longer than six weeks. My wife is a primary school teacher (year 6), so I might be a touch biased here :)


One of the teachers in my daughters school is there till 7pm most nights. I just dont get why loads of people are being told Wednesday, but its dated the 30th. Even my husbands work sent them all an email to state they need to arrange childcare for wednesday.
1 Like #9
Get real public sector workers, nearly all final salary pensions have gone, retirement age has gone up and we have to pay more into the pension pot!
banned#10
beth3735
Predikuesi
highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either


Most teachers don't stop work when all the kids are sent home. They can still be in school until after 6 pm, and prepare for the next days lesson when they get home. I think they deserve longer than six weeks. My wife is a primary school teacher (year 6), so I might be a touch biased here :)


One of the teachers in my daughters school is there till 7pm most nights. I just dont get why loads of people are being told Wednesday, but its dated the 30th. Even my husbands work sent them all an email to state they need to arrange childcare for wednesday.


So they can't even arrange a strike properly??

X)
1 Like #11
FilthAndFurry
I have no problem with teachers striking - I just wish they'd strike for the right reasons. Things like their profession being turned into nothing more than a 'paint-by-numbers' exercise or the lack of decent candidates for positions are surely as strikeworthy as pay aren't they?

Shows how very little you know....
#12
FilthAndFurry
beth3735
Predikuesi
highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either

Most teachers don't stop work when all the kids are sent home. They can still be in school until after 6 pm, and prepare for the next days lesson when they get home. I think they deserve longer than six weeks. My wife is a primary school teacher (year 6), so I might be a touch biased here :)

One of the teachers in my daughters school is there till 7pm most nights. I just dont get why loads of people are being told Wednesday, but its dated the 30th. Even my husbands work sent them all an email to state they need to arrange childcare for wednesday.

So they can't even arrange a strike properly??

X)

Her husband isn't a teacher... work it out..
1 Like #13
Predikuesi
highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either


Most teachers don't stop work when all the kids are sent home. They can still be in school until after 6 pm, and prepare for the next days lesson when they get home. I think they deserve longer than six weeks. My wife is a primary school teacher (year 6), so I might be a touch biased here :)


^^This^^

My mum is up first thing to go and teach a joint class of reception, year 1 and year 2 (small village school). She comes home, and carries on working pretty much all night. From what I can tell, she does more work than my dad who earns more than 3x as much.
1 Like #14
Predikuesi
highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either

Most teachers don't stop work when all the kids are sent home. They can still be in school until after 6 pm, and prepare for the next days lesson when they get home. I think they deserve longer than six weeks. My wife is a primary school teacher (year 6), so I might be a touch biased here :)

a lot of us that work 9-5 or 9-3.30 if a teacher also work extra hours , Ill tell my boss i deserve 6 weeks off in the summer too,
Please do not think i am questioning the dedication of teachers,
perhaps nurses should also get the summer off too

Edited By: highland2010 on Jun 15, 2011 17:54
banned#15
jonb2412
FilthAndFurry
I have no problem with teachers striking - I just wish they'd strike for the right reasons. Things like their profession being turned into nothing more than a 'paint-by-numbers' exercise or the lack of decent candidates for positions are surely as strikeworthy as pay aren't they?


Shows how very little you know....


Feel free to correct me.
#16
FilthAndFurry
beth3735
Predikuesi
highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either


Most teachers don't stop work when all the kids are sent home. They can still be in school until after 6 pm, and prepare for the next days lesson when they get home. I think they deserve longer than six weeks. My wife is a primary school teacher (year 6), so I might be a touch biased here :)


One of the teachers in my daughters school is there till 7pm most nights. I just dont get why loads of people are being told Wednesday, but its dated the 30th. Even my husbands work sent them all an email to state they need to arrange childcare for wednesday.


So they can't even arrange a strike properly??

X)


Oh I know, I am hoping its the Thursday, so I can go visit my parents that little bit earlier. Wonder when us parents will find out if its wed or thurs for sure!
banned#17
i won't be striking. I agree that i get paid too much and my pension is too generous. What a smuck i am. I Will single handedly keep this country secure and running.
#18
Strike my rear end. Strikes go on longer than a day, they're meant to hold employers to ransom, a day off has little consequence so no leverage. No, this is just a day extra holiday with a feeble justification.
1 Like #19
Strike unlikely to succeed as public do not in general back them.about time civil servants entered the real world of work.

Also be interesting the next time I, or anyone requests to take kids on hols and get one of the letters and leaflets of how important it is for your child to be in school.
banned#20
Problem with teachers is they're nowhere near as good as they used to be. Their salary and pension should be going down each year!
#21
Well I am certain that they will not have the backing of the private sector workers who pay their wages in the first place. More privatisation please -- then maybe these fools will realise just how good they had it in the first place.
1 Like #22
master_chief
Problem with teachers is they're nowhere near as good as they used to be. Their salary and pension should be going down each year!


highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either


Try being a teacher.
Teachers are as good, the kids are much worse.
Teacher's are in early, leave late and work when they get home.
As for the holiday comments... yes we get 6 weeks off in the summer, but there is lesson planning , marking and schemes of work to be done.

As for the comments about nurses.. yes they work hard but they are shifted, they arent marking books or planning when they are on their own time.
In general I am not approving of striking (and i dont really approve of this one), but the changes to the teachers pension is ridiculous.

and before one of the back seat idiots comes out with some crap:

My mother was a nurse and became a teacher.
My father was a nurse before he retired.
My brother is a nurse.
and i myself am a secondary school teacher.

I know exactly the workloads from both a personal and a differed position.
The complete morons in this country that make judgements and trashy comments about teachers make my blood boil. Im not saying that we are unique and should be put on a pedestal... but some goddamn respect would be appreciated, TBH it's these kind of people who have the badly behaved kids with little respect aswell, yet think the sun shines out of their ****.


Edited By: Jetpac on Jun 15, 2011 20:08
#23
Jetpac
master_chief
Problem with teachers is they're nowhere near as good as they used to be. Their salary and pension should be going down each year!


highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either


Try being a teacher.
Teachers are as good, the kids are much worse.
Teacher's are in early, leave late and work when they get home.
As for the holiday comments... yes we get 6 weeks off in the summer, but there is lesson planning , marking and schemes of work to be done.

As for the comments about nurses.. yes they work hard but they are shifted.
In general I am not approving of striking (and i dont really approve of this one), but the changes to the teachers pension is ridiculous.

and before one of the back seat idiots comes out with some crap:

My mother was a nurse and became a teacher.
My father was a nurse before he retired.
My brother is a nurse.
and i myself am a secondary school teacher.

I know exactly the workloads from both a personal and a differed position.
The complete morons in this country that make judgements and trashy comments about teachers make my blood boil. Im not saying that we are unique and should be put on a pedestal... but some goddamn respect would be appreciated.


Starting early, working late and doing further work at home is common in the private sector. The only difference is we do not receive 6 weeks holiday nor do we ever have the job security that you have/had provided by our tax money.

I am absolutely shocked at some of the people I have seen in the past who are teachers, a large percentage would be stuck on no more than a 15k job in the private sector.


Edited By: thrustmaster on Jun 15, 2011 20:09
#24
Jetpac
master_chief
Problem with teachers is they're nowhere near as good as they used to be. Their salary and pension should be going down each year!


highland2010
suprised the teachers are off not long til their 6 weeks off in the summer, suppose they will not have to worry about child care either


Try being a teacher.
Teachers are as good, the kids are much worse.
Teacher's are in early, leave late and work when they get home.
As for the holiday comments... yes we get 6 weeks off in the summer, but there is lesson planning , marking and schemes of work to be done.

As for the comments about nurses.. yes they work hard but they are shifted, they arent marking books or planning when they are on their own time.
In general I am not approving of striking (and i dont really approve of this one), but the changes to the teachers pension is ridiculous.

and before one of the back seat idiots comes out with some crap:

My mother was a nurse and became a teacher.
My father was a nurse before he retired.
My brother is a nurse.
and i myself am a secondary school teacher.

I know exactly the workloads from both a personal and a differed position.
The complete morons in this country that make judgements and trashy comments about teachers make my blood boil. Im not saying that we are unique and should be put on a pedestal... but some goddamn respect would be appreciated.

I know its so unfair to treat teachers like everyone else when it comes to pensions. Teachers may work hard but so do millions of other. You know the old saying.if you don't like your job get a new one.
banned#25
30% turnout and only 60% of those wanted a strike.

The rest were getting on with their jobs.
banned#26
JonnyTwoToes
30% turnout and only 60% of those wanted a strike.

The rest were getting on with their jobs.


That equates to a little over 17% if my maths are correct?
banned#27
Someone is confusing hardworking for being good at their job...
#28
thrustmaster


Starting early, working late and doing further work at home is common in the private sector. The only difference is we do not receive 6 weeks holiday nor do we ever have the job security that you would have provided by our tax money.


Job security?? Don't make me laugh, with the current cuts to educations, schools are finding it just as hard as everyone else.

And by the way we pay tax as well and are not the only public sector striking, yet we receive so much more flak than anyone else.

And I seriously think you underestimate the workload of teachers.. Again this is coming from me as a teacher and as someone who has grown up with a parent constantly working in the evenings AND in the 6 week break everyone seems so uncomfortable about.
#29
c
Jetpac
thrustmaster


Starting early, working late and doing further work at home is common in the private sector. The only difference is we do not receive 6 weeks holiday nor do we ever have the job security that you would have provided by our tax money.


Job security?? Don't make me laugh, with the current cuts to educations, schools are finding it just as hard as everyone else.

And by the way we pay tax as well and are not the only public sector striking, yet we receive so much more flak than anyone else.

And I seriously think you underestimate the workload of teachers.. Again this is coming from me as a teacher and as someone who has grown up with a parent constantly working in the evenings AND in the 6 week break everyone seems so uncomfortable about.
tbf teachers will receive flak as it will be hard to tell if most other civil servants are on strike unlike the teachers.
#30
JonnyTwoToes
30% turnout and only 60% of those wanted a strike.

The rest were getting on with their jobs.


Teachers were just over 40% and 92% in favour. Regardless of the lower turn out, that is still a significant majority.

Marty1981

I know its so unfair to treat teachers like everyone else when it comes to pensions. Teachers may work hard but so do millions of other. You know the old saying.if you don't like your job get a new one.


At what point did i say that millions of others don't work hard? I am very well aware they do... I'm just angry about the fact that people some how have the impression that teachers don't work hard, "they aren't what they used to be" (when in act, you know what... they are much better, its the damn kids that are worse) or they get shed loads of holiday (I used to think this before teaching and despite my mother working before i became a teacher) but it is a fallacy.

I also never said i dislike my job... I love it and am very good at it, but i also don't expect to have the penalties imposed by the changes to my pension. it is one of the perks of the job that we gain when we lose other thinks, like the ability to chose when we can take holidays.
#31
Marty1981
tbf teachers will receive flak as it will be hard to tell if most other civil servants are on strike unlike the teachers.


That is a fair point .
(although i'm not sure if the back handed dig at civil servants was intentional, and not something i agree with if it is!)

But it kind of illustrates how big of an issue this is if teachers are planning on striking over it.
banned#32
Teachers are working harder than ever... because they aren't as good as they used to be!
banned#33
Jetpac

Teachers were just over 40% and 92% in favour. Regardless of the lower turn out, that is still a significant majority.


Not really. The consensus is that people will vote if they want action. 60% of teachers didn't vote, which means 60% didn't really care/did not want strike action.

Therefore, only 92% of the 40% wanted to strike. On the whole, that's a recognised figure of 35% (ish) that were in favour of striking. Not a majority.
#34
The whole public sector pensions situation is moronic to start off with. Fobbing off a load of debt onto the next generation. Yeah sucks you 're losing entitlements but TBH the unions should'nt have accepted high pensions low pay in the first place it's unsustainable.
#35
JonnyTwoToes

Therefore, only 92% of the 40% wanted to strike. On the whole, that's a recognised figure of 35% (ish) that were in favour of striking. Not a majority.


Well that is a load of bull, you only need to look at poor governmental election turn out... people care, they just for what ever reason don't vote. Regardless of the absolute values that you have correctly worked out.. it doesn't mean the result is statistically insignificant.

master_chief
Teachers are working harder than ever... because they aren't as good as they used to be!


If you honestly believe that, you are an insufferable idiot.
But i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt based on intelligent input into other threads and assume in this case you are just baiting.
1 Like #36
Jetpac
JonnyTwoToes
30% turnout and only 60% of those wanted a strike.

The rest were getting on with their jobs.


Teachers were just over 40% and 92% in favour. Regardless of the lower turn out, that is still a significant majority.

Marty1981

I know its so unfair to treat teachers like everyone else when it comes to pensions. Teachers may work hard but so do millions of other. You know the old saying.if you don't like your job get a new one.


At what point did i say that millions of others don't work hard? I am very well aware they do... I'm just angry about the fact that people some how have the impression that teachers don't work hard, "they aren't what they used to be" (when in act, you know what... they are much better, its the damn kids that are worse) or they get shed loads of holiday (I used to think this before teaching and despite my mother working before i became a teacher) but it is a fallacy.

I also never said i dislike my job... I love it and am very good at it, but i also don't expect to have the penalties imposed by the changes to my pension. it is one of the perks of the job that we gain when we lose other thinks, like the ability to chose when we can take holidays.

Really hope you do not teach humanities? As a simple fact of people are living longer = problems with pensions. As a result millions of private sector workers no longer have a final salary pension where what you put in is considerably less than what you get out.
So why should teachers be treat better than most if us?
banned#37
Jetpac
JonnyTwoToes

Therefore, only 92% of the 40% wanted to strike. On the whole, that's a recognised figure of 35% (ish) that were in favour of striking. Not a majority.


Well that is a load of bull, you only need to look at poor governmental election turn out... people care, they just for what ever reason don't vote. Regardless of the absolute values that you have correctly worked out.. it doesn't mean the result is statistically insignificant.


They don't vote because they don't care enough - those are the facts. So if I was a teacher and I wanted to strike, I'd vote for it. If I was a teacher and I didn't really care or I didn't want to strike, I'd probably not vote.
#38
Teachers are one of the few in the public sector who've managed to secure a pay rise. Others have been frozen, cut or sacked and pension contributions being cut too.

Got a bloody cheek.
#39
Rubisco
The whole public sector pensions situation is moronic to start off with. Fobbing off a load of debt onto the next generation. Yeah sucks you 're losing entitlements but TBH the unions should'nt have accepted high pensions low pay in the first place it's unsustainable.
another fallacy public wages are now on average better than private wages to the tune of about 43% with wage and pensions. And people wonder why the general population have such apathy and disdain for our hard pushed public sector
banned 1 Like #40
Ok I'll level with you jetpac. My mate's old man is a teacher approaching retirement. He teaches physics and has a doctorate. He loves teaching and he loves physics.

I asked him a while back about all the planning that I hear teachers do. He told me he has hardly ever planned a lesson as such. He claims lesson planning is for teachers who don't know the subject. Give him the curriculum, break it down and he can just speak and teach for hours on any given aspect. He said the level of planning he sees these days is well above what teachers of the past did.

I had a real mix of teachers 15 years ago, some of them were the sort you could ask anything on the subject being taught or even general knowledge, then there were some who just fobbed you off when asking a question that didn't directly relate to what needed to be taught that lesson.

This is where I see the decline in quality in teaching lies. Teachers without a true passion and knowledge in their given subject or for teaching itself.

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