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Student abuse?

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9y, 4m agoPosted 9 years, 4 months ago
im just a bit annoyed at the minute with all the student abuse
people try to further their education by going to uni with no grant from government and come out with a huge debt. yet people still seem to think that the measly 10% or so offered by some shops as a discount to students is bad
if it wasn't for university students imagine how the countrys economy:oops: would be
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9y, 4m agoPosted 9 years, 4 months ago
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#1
Student discounts for books, pens, educational supplies - Fair enough.
Student discount for beer - Why?
#2
Thought this thread was about something else when I saw the title, not sure why I clicked really?
#3
Because companies and brands want to be liked by those who they think are likely to support them in the future. A university student is likely to have a larger disposable income once they have graduated than someone who hasn't done further education.

As for beer, this will tend to be places which want to attract the student crowd so offer incentives. If that bothers you, drink elsewhere.
banned#4
Benjimoron
Thought this thread was about something else when I saw the title, not sure why I clicked really?


Then you should be even more unsure why you posted!
#5
im not sure why uni students should be expected to get discounts on the grounds that they keep the economy strong. Some people i know at uni simply went so they wouldnt have to go out to work straight away, others have failed years just to change their subjects. As far as i know often the tuition fees are heavily subsidised by the government aswell. any money you save as a student - i'd be grateful , because the companies need to turn over a profit inturn to pay the students that work there part time enough cash. and thus the circle completes - maybe
#6
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#7
madness

if it wasn't for university students imagine how the countrys econamy would be


If it wasnt for university students the word "economy" would be spelt correctly :whistling:

How many uni students go for the sake of goin, they see it as a party every night and a bit of freedom.... yet still end up stackin' shelves at tesco.
#8
MinstrelMan
If it wasnt for university students the word "economy" would be spelt correctly :whistling:

How many uni students go for the sake of goin, they see it as a party every night and a bit of freedom.... yet still end up stackin' shelves at tesco.


right!
#9
If you think abuse is not being given big enough discounts, try being an engineering shop floor apprentice. You seriously need to get over yourself.
banned#10
Hopefully some of these students will learn how to spell correctly and grasp some basic use of punctuation. If the appalling use of grammar by some of them who use this site is anything to go on, then I am worried.

I agree with some earlier comments about people using it as an excuse not to work. Everyone know someone like this.

Not all students land well paid jobs or do anything of value to the economy after university.

There are plenty of people who got jobs straight after leaving school though that do.

Best get down the student bar and drown your sorrows. That is if you're not already down there.
#11
first of im not a student
secondly i agree that some people do go for the sake of it, and also that universities may be accepting too many people however if you think education is a bad thing then the country is going down the drain
#12
Yeah too many people I know at college/uni spend every night going drinking, though this is mainly the 18 year olds who just left home an get credit cards and overdrafts
#13
10bellies
Student discounts for books, pens, educational supplies - Fair enough.
Student discount for beer - Why?



I agree student discounts should only be for student related goods.

Not for dvds, cds etc. I went to Sheffield University, I'm old now 25, I graduated in 2004, so I'm not against students I have been one, myself.

From my personally experience, I can remember thinking i had alot of disposeable income (from my £800 a term loan & my interest free overdraft) and spent most of my £1000 interest free overdraft within the first month.

True enough, banks are offering incentives, like a free gifts, free cash the largest interest free overdrafts, as they want you are their client for the long term . They offer even better incentives for professional degrees medicine etc (they are thinking of your long term earning potential)

But retailers like HMV, aren't thinking about earning your loyalty, they know students (not all, but alot) waste their money on cds, dvds etc as while you are a student you don't really think of loans, interest free overdrafts as "real money" you think of it "free for the time being" money and it will be years before I have to pay it back.

So retailers like HMV aren't giving you discount so you will be a long term customer with them, they are giving you the discount so you choose them over their competitors. As they know students are one of their best customers.

But wasting loads of money (I have been there) and going out all the time is part of the university experience.

But after it has ended and you are back in the real world, and you look at your pay slip and see the money the student loan company have taken back, & the interest (all though it is low, it adds up believe me) you wish you haven't bought all those cds or dvds etc.


My student experience, I wouldn't change all the nights I went out and had a great laugh with my friends (it was the best time of my life, & I don't regret the money I spend that way, as I have had great memories)

But I do regret buying loads of dvds at about £16 each (when I was at uni, they were much more expensive - as you don't really get memories them.

But perhaps thats part of the learning kerb, as now I am alot more careful with my money.
#14
i found out yesterday that they now do a student discount at a local tattoo shop (and it's a good shop) which i will be taking full advantage of when i get my student card through lol
oh and just need to add i am a 29 year old single working mum of 2, so the discounts avalible at all the shops will be really handy for me while i am trying to gain more qualifications to get a better job
#15
madness
first of im not a student
secondly i agree that some people do go for the sake of it, and also that universities may be accepting too many people however if you think education is a bad thing then the country is going down the drain



Not at all. I just think theres more to further education than university.

As a "Work Based Mentor" for Aim Higher, myself and 3 other ex apprentices travelled into schools promoting the advantages of apprenticships.

Blowing my own trumpet a bit here, but 7 years ago I started an engineering apprenticship on £55 per week, (as I wasnt a student I didnt get no discounts) yes I was looked down on, given the rubbish jobs, you have to take it in your stride. It's been worth it. I now own my own engineering design consultancy and bring home 60K+ a year. whats best is I dont pay high rate tax on that either ;)
banned#16
madness
first of im not a student
secondly i agree that some people do go for the sake of it, and also that universities may be accepting too many people however if you think education is a bad thing then the country is going down the drain


Nothing is wrong with education, sad thing is that too many children disrupt things for everyone else.

They should have a way of helping the ones that do want to learn, not wasting time of those that don't.

That is the problem with this country, too much time and money spent on people who do not deserve it.

Not enough money and help for those that would appreciate it and do something good for this country.
#17
MinstrelMan
If you think abuse is not being given big enough discounts, try being an engineering shop floor apprentice.

i never said anything about discounts not being eneugh im just saying that people shouldnt complain about small discounts for people who are having to pay masses for uni whereas in other countries its paid for them
#18
Thats exactly what I think, but more so. Is intelligence based on qualifications? some of the smartest people I know like when I started college got straight A's despite not doing their GCSE's and struggling to be let into college.

On the flip side I know loads of people who got A grades who arent even that smart they only know what they revised.

It's silly when a university turns someone for not having A's when they take on people with A's who leave as they cant be bothered with uni and just want a skive when the people who are going to work hard get turned down.
#19
Have a wash.....!
banned#20
MinstrelMan
Not at all. I just think theres more to further education than university.

As a "Work Based Mentor" for Aim Higher, myself and 3 other ex apprentices travelled into schools promoting the advantages of apprenticships.

Blowing my own trumpet a bit here, but 7 years ago I started an engineering apprenticship on £55 per week, (as I wasnt a student I didnt get no discounts) yes I was looked down on, given the rubbish jobs, you have to take it in your stride. It's been worth it. I now own my own engineering design consultancy and bring home 60K+ a year. whats best is I dont pay high rate tax on that either ;)


I agree with you on this one.

Unfortunately it is not as easy to learn a trade nowadays.

There should be alot more help for companies that can offer an apprenticeship.

And, more spaces at colleges for these courses.

Maybe then there will be an increase in skilled tradesmen in this country without having to import it.
banned#21
madness
i never said anything about discounts not being eneugh im just saying that people shouldnt complain about small discounts for people who are having to pay masses for uni whereas in other countries its paid for them


Alot of countries pay far more.
banned#22
NatD
Have a wash.....!


Is the water metered? Could be a problem.
#23
Prissymiss
I agree with you on this one.

Unfortunately it is not as easy to learn a trade nowadays.

There should be alot more help for companies that can offer an apprenticeship.

And, more spaces at colleges for these course.

Maybe then there will be an increase in skilled tradesmen in this country without having to import it.


I cant of course speak for the whole of the UK but I found Greater Manchester to be very good at this.

Although I dont agree companies should be given more help, it's in their own interests to offer apprenticships, their incentives are that they can gain Investors in People status, which of course looks good on their CV when tendering for contracts or hireing themselves out etc.

To have some enthusiastic 16 year old come do all the rubbish jobs for the first year or so paying them minimum wage, while they grow to learn the trade, they can become a very valuable part of that company.
#24
ryouga
Thats exactly what I think, but more so. Is intelligence based on qualifications? some of the smartest people I know like when I started college got straight A's despite not doing their GCSE's and struggling to be let into college.

On the flip side I know loads of people who got A grades who arent even that smart they only know what they revised.

It's silly when a university turns someone for not having A's when they take on people with A's who leave as they cant be bothered with uni and just want a skive when the people who are going to work hard get turned down.


Sure the current system has its problems but overall If you get a C in business Alevel for example.. yet the university curriculum requires an A, more than likely anyone who got a C would not have the knowledge needed get thorugh the course without the seminars having to start at a lower level and could hinder the learning of other students.


Everyone knows "someone" who left school with no qualifications and is now earning "loads" and most prob everyone knows peopel who have left uni and didnt succeed in ways they were expected, but neither means that that route is the best route.

As a student, why the hell shouldnt i get discount? :P The companies have obviously run their numbers and realise that in the student demographic they will be more profitable if they offer a discount.
#25
Titchimp

As a student, why the hell shouldnt i get discount?


Becuase you live off of dry toast and cup a soups.... so in theory you should be waded, but you spend it on alcholic beverage which you spew up into some hippy dope smoker's dreads (everyone knows a hippy student) :w00t:
#26
Titchimp
Sure the current system has its problems but overall If you get a C in business Alevel for example.. yet the university curriculum requires an A, more than likely anyone who got a C would not have the knowledge needed get thorugh the course without the seminars having to start at a lower level and could hinder the learning of other students.


Everyone knows "someone" who left school with no qualifications and is now earning "loads" and most prob everyone knows peopel who have left uni and didnt succeed in ways they were expected, but neither means that that route is the best route.

As a student, why the hell shouldnt i get discount? :P The companies have obviously run their numbers and realise that in the student demographic they will be more profitable if they offer a discount.


That idea is incorrect why should 1 exam determine your life?

For instance when I was at school I couldnt be bothered and the teachers thought I would get D's and I ended up getting A's and still found it hard getting into uni.

The only ones who left with bad grades and havent done well are the ones who had no interest in working in first place i.e the chavs from my year.

I have friends who went into the army and got well paid friends who became IT technicians despite only getting a D in their computer exam

Your grade is depenedant on effort and the paper you are given I only got a C for maths as the whole exam was on triginomitory yet ask me to add or multiply numbers and im fast and accurate and understand chemistry equations but im bad on trig.

To sum up it is a mix of things knowledge, memory and interest.
#27
things have changed from justifying selective discounts to the pros and cons of further education rather quickly
#28
Prissymiss
Hopefully some of these students will learn how to spell correctly and grasp some basic use of punctuation. If the appalling use of grammer by some of them who use this site is anything to go on, then I am worried.
#29
hee he - are you a student?
#30
tracy013
i found out yesterday that they now do a student discount at a local tattoo shop (and it's a good shop) which i will be taking full advantage of when i get my student card through lol
oh and just need to add i am a 29 year old single working mum of 2, so the discounts avalible at all the shops will be really handy for me while i am trying to gain more qualifications to get a better job



Please don't get a 'tramp stamp' they look awful. :)
#31
Prissymiss
Hopefully some of these students will learn how to spell correctly and grasp some basic use of punctuation. If the appalling use of grammer by some of them who use this site is anything to go on, then I am worried.

I agree with some earlier comments about people using it as an excuse not to work. Everyone know someone like this.

Not all students land well paid jobs or do anything of value to the economy after university.

There are plenty of people who got jobs straight after leaving school though that do.

Best get down the student bar and drown your sorrows. That is if you're not already down there.


GrammAr

Sorry, but that was a foot in mouth moment
#32
Me thinks that was subconciously intentional.
#33
stora
Please don't get a 'tramp stamp' they look awful. :)


nice way of putting it :? bit late though :giggle:
#34
Tramp stamp is a lower back tattoo


...and I'm a student, HI!
#35
freeDUMB
Tramp stamp is a lower back tattoo


...and I'm a student, HI!

lol like i said a bit late
#36
stora
Please don't get a 'tramp stamp' they look awful. :)


excuse to check out their ass though :thumbsup:
#37
ryouga
That idea is incorrect why should 1 exam determine your life?

For instance when I was at school I couldnt be bothered and the teachers thought I would get D's and I ended up getting A's and still found it hard getting into uni.


So unis are to blame because you couldnt be bothered with school?
I hate it when people give it the "1 exam determines your life" i know plenty of people who did badly the first time, resat the year and did much better the second time round.

ryouga

Your grade is depenedant on effort and the paper you are given I only got a C for maths as the whole exam was on triginomitory yet ask me to add or multiply numbers and im fast and accurate and understand chemistry equations but im bad on trig.


Maybe that is something for you to take up with the exam board cause all of my maths tests have been based on a range of subjects. And tbh if the exam results have shown that you cant do trig then maybe thats a good thing cause you could get on a course and it be full of trig.

Of course exams arnt everything, i know a lot more about business than many of my course mates but they spend the time showing in their essays that they know what the course demands, whereas i do not and so my grades arnt as high as theirs.
#38
MinstrelMan
Becuase you live off of dry toast and cup a soups.... so in theory you should be waded, but you spend it on alcholic beverage which you spew up into some hippy dope smoker's dreads (everyone knows a hippy student) :w00t:


Whats wrong with that :whistling:

But really, i would say i dont really spend a lot on booze each week, maybe £30 a week for my nights out, when i know people who spend £60+ in one night.
#39
Titchimp
So unis are to blame because you couldnt be bothered with school?
I hate it when people give it the "1 exam determines your life" i know plenty of people who did badly the first time, resat the year and did much better the second time round.



Maybe that is something for you to take up with the exam board cause all of my maths tests have been based on a range of subjects. And tbh if the exam results have shown that you cant do trig then maybe thats a good thing cause you could get on a course and it be full of trig.

Of course exams arnt everything, i know a lot more about business than many of my course mates but they spend the time showing in their essays that they know what the course demands, whereas i do not and so my grades arnt as high as theirs.


I was talking about not bothered with everyday classes not the exams, I studied hard and got good grades.

1 exam DOES affect your life, as you stated you can wait 1 more year to resit.

I know students who spend loads of hours studying each week to just get a grade C
#40
Massive difference between determines and affects there ryouga, and your whole maths argument is absolute nonsense. Mental arithmetic is what is taught at primary school, if you can't grasp things like trigonometry and calculus you are not going to succeed in any science degree hence why it is essential to test and grade people to allow them to take such courses. If you could have been bothered to pay attention in the classes, you might have done a bit better.

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