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As you may be aware you can have £10,£20 or £30 paid each week for attending further education depending on the household income. My son who currently attends 6th form dosnt qualify for EMA, as paren…
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
As you may be aware you can have £10,£20 or £30 paid each week for attending further education depending on the household income.
My son who currently attends 6th form dosnt qualify for EMA, as parents we apparantly earn "too much" (yeah right).
Anyhow i think the whole EMA set up is a farce, i think all kids in further education should get it. He has a couple of mates that earn the full £30 a week plus they have part time jobs & on top of that, they can also earn Ema bonuses for full school attendence. So whilst they are raking it in, we are having to pay for our son, we have a daughter as well that will be in the same situation.

anyone else find themselves in this situation ? be good to hear comments from parents & students alike as i would be interested in the general consensus.
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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#1
Simple question. How much do you and your husband earn altogether annually? Okay in other words is your household income more than £30,810 a year?
#2
i never got it cos my mums a doctor dads a teacher, but that didnt make us wealthy, i kne people who were getting the full 30 quid a week cos their parents were self employed (and raking it in) one of my mates who claimed the full amount with all th bonuses also had a successfull business himself
suspended#3
My bro gets the full £30 a week, single parent family though.

I kind of agree that everyone should get it but if you are earning over a certain amount then i dont think your kids should get extra.
suspended#4
micoo
i never got it cos my mums a doctor dads a teacher, but that didnt make us wealthy, i kne people who were getting the full 30 quid a week cos their parents were self employed (and raking it in) one of my mates who claimed the full amount with all th bonuses also had a successfull business himself


lol at that, fair play to him
#5
they have also just changed the rules, dunno if its just in scotland, but from this term there is only one amount and thats the full £30 if ur parents earn less than £24,000 roughly....there is no £10 & 20 amounts any more for new claimants
#6
Unfortunately like the benefits systems as a whole people will abuse it. I had a guy at my school who had a dad who owned a restaurant, raking it in but because he was self employed managed to get the full £30per week.

Great idea to support kids that actually need it but unfortunately abused too much
#7
PraxxtorCruel
Simple question. How much do you and your husband earn altogether annually? Okay in other words is your household income more than £30,810 a year?


since we do not qualify for EMA then your question is answered, but it dosnt mean the money tree at the bottom of the garden is always full !

like any type of government financial help if you earn then you are means tested ok fair enough, but when you can still get the £30 & then still be able to earn from a part time job without your initial £30 a week being touched, seems a bit unfair.
#8
the presumption is that parents are going to support the kids through college etc and give them money etc which often isnt true!
1 Like #9
Your parents may earn X amount but that doesnt mean they can afford to give you £30 a week!

Another thing that annoyed me about it was that if they are going to give it to people according to household income, they should also take in to consideration size of family. E.g. single child where household income is less than 30k a year gets it, whereas household with 6 kids and income of 35k a year doesnt.

When I was doing my A-levels 90% of the people who got EMA basically sat around in the common room all day, didnt do homework, late with coursework, some of them failed all (or most) of their exams. Obviously there were also people who would of gone back to school anyway and the ema was just a bonus. Should be more strictly monitored, those things you have to get signed are rubbish because the students just get other teachers to sign them etc
#10
i always said to my son i would pay for him through college (which i did - he finished his 3rd year this year) - yes it does annoy me that people who don't work and have not paid into the system get everything out of it but i do not begrudge those that have contributed by paying their tax. I do not think that any of them though should get the 'bonus' for turning up - only the weekly assistance of the maximum £ 30 - kids are an expensive business
#11
xena_morph
the presumption is that parents are going to support the kids through college etc and give them money etc which often isnt true!


very much so, my lad has some "field trip" studies coming up & these are not cheap at £300 each.

something is fundamentaly wrong with the way the EMA is set up :x
#12
richp
very much so, my lad has some "field trip" studies coming up & these are not cheap at £300 each, we've had to help buy him a scooter to get to college.

something is fundamentaly wrong with the way the EMA is set up :x


NO there is nothing wrong. You're in the wrong!!!! :x















:whistling:
#13
PraxxtorCruel;6809052
NO there is nothing wrong. You're in the wrong!!!! :x

you must be one of those that get it but don't deserve it then - and as you have written a double negative in your statement i suppose in theory you are agreeing with the fact it is wrong













:whistling:
#14
Get your finances sorted out and claim it.

My mates dad is an accountant and he gets the full whack. and his mums a teacher

His dad sorted me out too :whistling:
#15
can i just add that they get an xmas bonus aswell. disgrace. the money should go to the parents. just because my parents enough more than £30k doesnt mean they give me £30 a week to waste.
1 Like #16
sn0ttyang3l
i always said to my son i would pay for him through college (which i did - he finished his 3rd year this year) - yes it does annoy me that people who don't work and have not paid into the system get everything out of it but i do not begrudge those that have contributed by paying their tax. I do not think that any of them though should get the 'bonus' for turning up - only the weekly assistance of the maximum £ 30 - kids are an expensive business


I totally agree with you.

I feel I am penalised because I work - I am penalised because I am not a junkie nor an alcoholic. Penalised because I have bought my home. The amount of benefits available to people due to them having 'problems' is just incredible.

I am self employed but dont milk the system, dont lie about my earnings but its so easy by the sounds of it to get around things.

I know its different, but my son has an overnight trip planned with his primary school next year. letter states the price is approx £60 but any family in receipt of income support will get this charge waived???

Sorry Op for slightly changing the subjec there, but u know where am coming from!
#17
PraxxtorCruel
NO there is nothing wrong. You're in the wrong!!!! :x
:whistling:



errrr how do you work that out ?
#18
bossyboots
I totally agree with you.

I feel I am penalised because I work - I am penalised because I am not a junkie nor an alcoholic. Penalised because I have bought my home. The amount of benefits available to people due to them having 'problems' is just incredible.

I am self employed but dont milk the system, dont lie about my earnings but its so easy by the sounds of it to get around things.

I know its different, but my son has an overnight trip planned with his primary school next year. letter states the price is approx £60 but any family in receipt of income support will get this charge waived???

Sorry Op for slightly changing the subjec there, but u know where am coming from!


:thumbsup:
#19
bossyboots
I totally agree with you.

I feel I am penalised because I work - I am penalised because I am not a junkie nor an alcoholic. Penalised because I have bought my home. The amount of benefits available to people due to them having 'problems' is just incredible.

I am self employed but dont milk the system, dont lie about my earnings but its so easy by the sounds of it to get around things.

I know its different, but my son has an overnight trip planned with his primary school next year. letter states the price is approx £60 but any family in receipt of income support will get this charge waived???

Sorry Op for slightly changing the subjec there, but u know where am coming from!


Doesnt that tell you then that honesty isnt always the "best" policy? :?
#20
and the government wonder why there are so many people unemployed - those that are genuine and millions of those that are just lazy good for nothing spongers
#21
StevenA2000_uk
Doesnt that tell you then that honesty isnt always the "best" policy? :?


Yes you are right. My accountant has many a time suggested moving some figures around but I wont do that. I am an honest hard working person and thankfully never been unemployed and always paid my taxes and NI.
#22
sn0ttyang3l
and the government wonder why there are so many people unemployed - those that are genuine and millions of those that are just lazy good for nothing spongers


Why don't you tell us how you really feel? :thinking:
#23
PraxxtorCruel
Why don't you tell us how you really feel? :thinking:


are you employed Praxxtor?
#24
Currently at College, know alot of mates who get the full £30 quid. I dont get any because I dont qualify for it.

But I do sell alot of stuff - will be looking for a job soon after my exams. So it works out for me. But I keep the money coming in through various ways.

But to be fair I know few in my college with out £30 quid incentive would just be messing around and just messing it up for people like me who want to learn - so its keeping them focused because they know they getting this at the end of the week.

There are many advantages and disadvantages.
#25
PraxxtorCruel;6809159
Why don't you tell us how you really feel? :thinking:

lol - i was very refined and polite then - i think i could probably write a book on the latter group
#26
bossyboots
are you employed Praxxtor?


Yes, I currently study 4 days a week 9:30 to around 4pm, and work the rest of the days.
#27
PraxxtorCruel;6809178
Yes, I currently study 4 days a week 9:30 to around 4pm, and work the rest of the days.

so you work 3 full days a week - well done glad to see you are paying your own way through college (edit - when i read my statement it looks sarcastic but i am not being that i am genuinely pleased that you work and pay your own way through college - others should follow your example)
#28
sn0ttyang3l
so you work 3 full days a week - well done glad to see you are paying your own way through college


I tell you one thing though, im always knackered, on top of that I try and keep to my jogging timetable, I try and do it at least 5 times a week, 45 minutes a day. I'm always so tired, I quite often have huge teabags.

The really annoying thing is, because I've done jogging for so long now, when I stop for a couple of days I get really sick and uncomfortable, its as if I have to do it.
#29
PraxxtorCruel
Yes, I currently study 4 days a week 9:30 to around 4pm, and work the rest of the days.


sn0ttyang3l
so you work 3 full days a week - well done glad to see you are paying your own way through college (edit - when i read my statement it looks sarcastic but i am not being that i am genuinely pleased that you work and pay your own way through college - others should follow your example)


Yes thats great - you must have some friends though that do nothing at all and drives u mad!
#30
bossyboots
Yes thats great - you must have some friends though that do nothing at all and drives u mad!


Haha, I haven't been able to make any new friends, cause Im either, sleeping, studying, or working.
#31
PraxxtorCruel
Haha, I haven't been able to make any new friends, cause Im either, sleeping, studying, or working.


Dont worry dude it will be worth it in the end - UNI will be banging and thats when you make those friends who will be there with you for the rest of your life.

Thats when the fishes come out the water.
#32
mighty mugger
Dont worry dude it will be worth it in the end - UNI will be banging and thats when you make those friends who will be there with you for the rest of your life.

Thats when the fishes come out the water.


Cheers for that mighty mugger :thumbsup:
1 Like #33
They should scrap child benefit too for people on higher incomes .
I have 'worked all my life' and so has my wife. We are both retired so we have paid into the system and getting ema for my daughter to help with her expenses for going to college is a great help - just about pays for her bus fare and it certainly doesn't go to waste.
She wouldn't have got it when we were working full time and neither would I have expected it. The idea is to help those students who perhaps wouldn't have the financial means to get a higher education.
Having paid taxes etc for 70 years or so between us I think getting something back is deserved, not everybody on ema is necessarily milking the system or comes from a background that hasn't paid anything into it !
#34
Over the past few yrs the companies in charge of EMA has changed hands several times and different organisations were better at implimenting it than others.

However i think the ideal was to support the children of parents who might have needed their child out of school ( and into work ) as soon as possible so those kids could stay in education longer.

Richp my apologies for saying, I very much doubt you'd have felt any pressure to get your child into work to support your household income. In that sense I think EMA has done its work in being applicable to families on an otherwise lower income than some.
#35
brianp9
They should scrap child benefit too for people on higher incomes .
I have 'worked all my life' and so has my wife. We are both retired so we have paid into the system and getting ema for my daughter to help with her expenses for going to college is a great help - just about pays for her bus fare and it certainly doesn't go to waste.
She wouldn't have got it when we were working full time and neither would I have expected it. The idea is to help those students who perhaps wouldn't have the financial means to get a higher education.
Having paid taxes etc for 70 years or so between us I think getting something back is deserved, not everybody on ema is necessarily milking the system or comes from a background that hasn't paid anything into it !


"the idea is to help those students who perhaps wouldn't have the financial means to get a higher education"

My point aswell.

Repped mate.
#36
Both my parents had retired early due to ill health so werent working while I was still in high school. I didnt get any financial help like this EMA prize payout giveaway. My parents got child benefit of something like £12 a week or summit like that.

After leaving high school early, I went to college and got my college course fees paid for me, I got a grant of approx £1000 a year, which works out about £20 a week. I paid my parents £30 a week to live at home as they got very little money. This meant that I had to use the Student Loan facility to get more cash which I borrowed several £1000's over the 4 years. All of which I had to pay back. To suppliment this I got a part time job which got me about £300 a month, however this left less time to Study so I didnt work every month.

I managed to get through all that, pay back my student loans plus interest of about £10k at the end of it all, took me years to do it. Now I earn over £40k a year with a top UK and international company.

what I want to know is the positive effects of paying this EMA nonsense compared to not paying it. All I see is that it sets an expectation to a young person that they can get free money if they work the system and this behaviour will perpetuate when and if they hit the benefits system.

The governments policy of throwing money at some situation to firefight it causes more problems in the long term....it doesnt help it. :)
#37
Stop being bitter, the EMA system helped me sooo much, and others too.
#38
My son wasnt entitled to it yet a friend of his who's mum worked cash in hand and her dad is self employed, got the full £30 per week. This girl also worked all hours at the weekend.
I dont have a problem with genuine claimants but do not agree with the many bonuses they get, and also I think they should get the money in vouchers to be used towards books, college supplies etc, or towards travelling expenses.
#39
Pauladin91
Stop being bitter, the EMA system helped me sooo much, and others too.


Nothing to do with being bitter, its an alternative point of view, and nobody is disputing the fact that money helps people.

There are other ways to get the money like earning it rather than expecting it for free.
:)
#40
StevenA2000_uk
Nothing to do with being bitter, its an alternative point of view, and nobody is disputing the fact that money helps people.

There are other ways to get the money like earning it rather than expecting it for free.
:)


Bitter :).

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