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Stupid people at work

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6y, 3w agoPosted 6 years, 3 weeks ago
Have you ever worked with someone in a higher position and realised that they are completely incompetent?
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6y, 3w agoPosted 6 years, 3 weeks ago
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#1
In every job I have ever had.
#2
Ok here is a snippet of the story. We have this new joiner in the team. I am new myself, except he is a lot more industry experienced than me. My manager asked to us to work together as we are both learning. I don't mind the fact that I end up helping him but more so that he asks me really stupid questions like how to setup a meeting in Outlook, or how to do copy and paste in power point, or help with forming sentences in an email. Not sure how long I can put up with his stupidity...

Edited By: Enemy_of_The_State on Nov 13, 2010 04:44: ...
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Enemy_of_The_State
Ok here is a snippet of the story. We have this new joiner in the team. I am new myself, except he is a lot more industry experienced than me. My manager asked to us to work together as we are both learning. I don't mind the fact that I end up helping him but more so that he asks me really stupid questions like how to setup a meeting in Outlook, or how to do copy and paste in power point, or help with forming sentences in an email. Not sure how long I can put up with his stupidity...
Well its a good job he's a joiner then and not some office worker....!
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Enemy_of_The_State
Ok here is a snippet of the story. We have this new joiner in the team. I am new myself, except he is a lot more industry experienced than me. My manager asked to us to work together as we are both learning. I don't mind the fact that I end up helping him but more so that he asks me really stupid questions like how to setup a meeting in Outlook, or how to do copy and paste in power point, or help with forming sentences in an email. Not sure how long I can put up with his stupidity...


I can not see one "stupid question" in this rather short list. I have to say, however that you come across as somebody who is lavish when distributing judgments, but somewhat of churlish when it comes to knowledge.

Perhaps you should use this as an opportunity for both personal and professional development. If your interactions with your colleague are interfering with your ability to work, then explore what skills you are lacking that if acquired would allow you to increase your efficiency and productivity, while maintaining a respectfully and harmonious working relationship.
1 Like #5
Loads of times....but i am sure when i have been in management positions some of the staff thought the same of me.

This is pretty normal thing though isn't it,thinking you can do a better job then your boss
#6
Have you ever worked with someone in a higher position and realised that they are completely incompetent?
Many a time!! Possibly all the time. 8)

Having read your example though, it seems to me that your new colleague is just asking about computer-related stuff. It may be that his experience is in the actual stuff (???) your firm does and he just needs to get over this initial problem with presentations and then he will be a real asset, if he is 'more experienced'.

Hang on in there.
#7
I worked at Asda, so yes.
#8
YES.
#9
thats what happens when companies choose to promote from within.
longevity in the work place doesn't necessarily equal efficiency in the work place
#10
Plum
Enemy_of_The_State
Ok here is a snippet of the story. We have this new joiner in the team. I am new myself, except he is a lot more industry experienced than me. My manager asked to us to work together as we are both learning. I don't mind the fact that I end up helping him but more so that he asks me really stupid questions like how to setup a meeting in Outlook, or how to do copy and paste in power point, or help with forming sentences in an email. Not sure how long I can put up with his stupidity...



I can not see one "stupid question" in this rather short list. I have to say, however that you come across as somebody who is lavish when distributing judgments, but somewhat of churlish when it comes to knowledge.

Perhaps you should use this as an opportunity for both personal and professional development. If your interactions with your colleague are interfering with your ability to work, then explore what skills you are lacking that if acquired would allow you to increase your efficiency and productivity, while maintaining a respectfully and harmonious working relationship.

LoL couldn't be further from the truth mate. Maybe I should have stated that the industry we work in is computers! Because of that, I was thinking of writing computer illiterate instead of stupid. But some questions that are work related are a bit stupid... e.g. he will ask me how to compare values of two tables to extract some info out - this is taking into account that I have never seen these two tables before or don't know the context. So generally, I have to read through the documents he has been given to "teach" him how to do it...

Edited By: Enemy_of_The_State on Nov 13, 2010 13:04: more clarification
#11
chesso
Have you ever worked with someone in a higher position and realised that they are completely incompetent?

Many a time!! Possibly all the time. 8)

Having read your example though, it seems to me that your new colleague is just asking about computer-related stuff. It may be that his experience is in the actual stuff (???) your firm does and he just needs to get over this initial problem with presentations and then he will be a real asset, if he is 'more experienced'.

Hang on in there.

The power point document is not for "presentations" as such, more so for recording screenshots of a product we produce. It then gets filed away.

Edited By: Enemy_of_The_State on Nov 13, 2010 13:05: Quoted wrong post
#12
Plum
Perhaps you should use this as an opportunity for both personal and professional development. If your interactions with your colleague are interfering with your ability to work, then explore what skills you are lacking that if acquired would allow you to increase your efficiency and productivity, while maintaining a respectfully and harmonious working relationship.

Now this I do agree with. I need to learn to stop helping him on every small thing and ask him to google it. I cannot stop my work to teach him the Office suite as he is making me very unproductive. He does ask me for help on more complex things and I have no issues helping him with those. But it seems he is taking advantage of my good nature and trying to get me to do his work for him.

Edited By: Enemy_of_The_State on Nov 13, 2010 13:09: ...
#13
Maybe he hasn't had much experience with Powerpoint/Outlook; if he needs to ask the same question over and over you have a right to feel he is affecting your productivity, but if its a simple matter of asking once and then learning, everyone has to start somewhere. It doesn't exactly take long to explain copy and paste...
#14
jah128
Maybe he hasn't had much experience with Powerpoint/Outlook; if he needs to ask the same question over and over you have a right to feel he is affecting your productivity, but if its a simple matter of asking once and then learning, everyone has to start somewhere. It doesn't exactly take long to explain copy and paste...

Actually, that is partly why I am starting to get frustrated with him. He doesn't learn from what I tell him. I don't think it is my explanation lol. He just doesn't seem to approach things with a learning mentality. It's been 3 weeks that I spent with him and he still asks me the same questions.

I think I was misunderstood by chesso ---EDIT I meant to say Plum not chesso --- SORRY! Let me just say that I enjoy helping people when I know it made a difference. I used to work with someone from a different team who was completely new to UNIX. But I really enjoyed helping him because he would remember/learn from everything I teach him.


Edited By: Enemy_of_The_State on Nov 13, 2010 14:09: I meant to say Plum not chesso --- SORRY!
1 Like #15
Suggest he asks to be sent on a proper training course in the Office suite, as you've only learnt what to do by playing around with it. Or suggest he gets it at home to have a go at experimenting himself. Explain that you don't know everything either, and are probably teaching him bad habits or the wrong ways to do things. Be nice though, you never know whose feet you'll have to kiss in the future.
#16
Penny Saver
Suggest he asks to be sent on a proper training course in the Office suite, as you've only learnt what to do by playing around with it. Or suggest he gets it at home to have a go at experimenting himself.

I think our manager would hit the roof if he found out some of the stuff that this guy doesn't know. So to avoid getting him in trouble. I probably won't suggest a training course. But I like your suggestion for asking him to experiment with power point at home. I will ask him to do that. :)

But at the same time, I am now starting to think how someone like that even survived in the corporate / IT world - Outlook is used everywhere these days!
1 Like #17
Ah right, I hadn't caught on to the repetition bit; I can see how 3 weeks of telling him the same stuff must be very irritating.

Like ^^^ he needs to work at and become familiar with the packages; you could maybe slip in the 'Same as last time you asked me that, mate' with a big smile???? Like Penny says, a training course would be a good idea. Look for one yourself and then say 'Oh look .....here's .... just what you need and a day off/out'.

???
Still hang in there though. :D

edit - or not considering your latest reply.8)

Edited By: chesso on Nov 13, 2010 13:46
1 Like #18
What you *could* do, but may also get him in trouble (though it's not your fualt he was badly interviewed) is suggest to your boss that you take a full day out to spend doing some one to one training with this new chap, because his skills are not as up to date as they should be, and his constantly pestering you for help is affecting your productivity. This will highlight his lack of ability, without it being a real problem, and will highlight your skill, kindness and give an excuse as to why you're not being as productive as you ought to be. Once you've done this day of training, you can feedback to your boss that he's all good now and you can crack on. If (as I imagine will be the case) that this day was insufficient, you can tell him next time he asks, that you did go over this before... maybe he should go to a proper learn direct place and get himself booked on a course. If your boss was any good he'll book him on a course himself rather than lose a days work from you - but then if your boss was any good, he wouldn't have employed someone with less skills than required to do the job. My guess is he fibbed where it mattered at interview time...
#19
Penny Saver
What you *could* do, but may also get him in trouble (though it's not your fualt he was badly interviewed) is suggest to your boss that you take a full day out to spend doing some one to one training with this new chap, because his skills are not as up to date as they should be, and his constantly pestering you for help is affecting your productivity. This will highlight his lack of ability, without it being a real problem, and will highlight your skill, kindness and give an excuse as to why you're not being as productive as you ought to be. Once you've done this day of training, you can feedback to your boss that he's all good now and you can crack on. If (as I imagine will be the case) that this day was insufficient, you can tell him next time he asks, that you did go over this before... maybe he should go to a proper learn direct place and get himself booked on a course. If your boss was any good he'll book him on a course himself rather than lose a days work from you - but then if your boss was any good, he wouldn't have employed someone with less skills than required to do the job. My guess is he fibbed where it mattered at interview time...


Yeah you are right. If it is taking that much time out of my day, I should make the boss aware in some way. For the moment half of his questions are about how to do things on his pc. If it continues, I will tell my boss where my time is going let him decide how to handle it i.e. I continue to help him or he gets trained up properly. The other questions are to do with the job and the manager has asked both of us to help each other on stuff like that, so that is fine as long as he gets his learning cap on!
#20
Yes! My manager as good as she is she can be a pain in the backside at times and makes awful decisions as I work very closely with her!

Our IT manager another useless person! I probably know more than what he knows and people usually ask me for help with their IT issues when I have nothing to do with the IT department! Considering he is the bosses husband....
1 Like #21
Yes! My manager as good as she is she can be a pain in the backside at times and makes awful decisions as I work very closely with her!

Our IT manager another useless person! I probably know more than what he knows and people usually ask me for help with their IT issues when I have nothing to do with the IT department! Considering he is the bosses husband....
#22
I guess once a company hires someone like that it is difficult to get rid of them!

Edited By: Enemy_of_The_State on Nov 13, 2010 15:25
#23
Man utd fan eh? Me too... 2-2 draw btw... need more wins
banned 1 Like #24
With regards to the IT knowledge thing. I had an apprentice in my previous job and I'd get him to do all the menial tasks like anything MS Office orientated. Quite frankly I don't have a clue how to do anything remotely complex in this field but then I've never had cause to do so, I could have got on fine without him doing those things but it was nice to have him do them if the option is there. He was ten younger than me so came from school/college were Office applications are done to death, we didn't even do IT at school 15 years ago.

Now he may well have thought, what's this guy doing in IT if he doesn't understand pivot tables in Excel, but if he thought he could do my job any better he would have been living on cloud cuckoo land. It would have been a pure waste of my time to do what I had him do.
#25
Enemy_of_The_State
Man utd fan eh? Me too... 2-2 draw btw... need more wins


Yup but we are still undefeated :D As soon as Berba comes off we get 2 goals that does say something, he has lost his form again!
#26
Totally hear where you are coming from Master Chief. And I certianly hope for this guys sake that he has some skills hiding up his sleeve that I haven't seen just yet. Otherwise I don't think he will last long in this job!

In any case, I hope this was an entertaining read for you guys as I just needed some space to rant out my frustration with this guy. :)) Not looking for a perfect solution to deal with the guy. But if things continue the way they are I will certainly approach my manager about it, to at least explain where all my time/efforts are going.

Overall, I must say that sometimes I am in complete awe as to the type of things I get asked from him. Here is a good one: he asked me to help him work out the cost of something... if it costs 300 for 3 days, how much it would cost for 2 days lol
#27
exStudent
Enemy_of_The_State
Man utd fan eh? Me too... 2-2 draw btw... need more wins


Yup but we are still undefeated :D As soon as Berba comes off we get 2 goals that does say something, he has lost his form again!

Undefeated and now more than half our games drawn lol. I like Berba a lot, I hope he can stay on form.
#28
As usual we'll pick up in the New Year hopefully, awaiting Rooney's return!

Back to this topic, our company has just employed a member of staff who has been working on a temp basis for the last year, now this employee is awful, always forgetting things, not doing things on time, lacks basic time management skills and such! Yet they seem to be getting away with their faults and no one says anything to management as we know they will do nothing! This new employee is also a family member of another employee within the firm, they are not putting in any effort at all tbh and I feel it for the others who are having to fix their mess!

Edited By: exStudent on Nov 13, 2010 16:11
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1) You're in a job, you know how to communicate and pass jobs around.
2) After a while you get good at it.
3) After a few months you get very good at it, and big headed.
4) passing jobs around is now known as "delegation"
5) you are superb at delegation. "Do this Do that" and forget manners
6) Delegation turns to bossing people about ... you become "The boss"

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