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odriscoll Avatar
9y, 3w agoPosted 9 years, 3 weeks ago
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113555

:-( :-( :-( :-(
I have been looking for this TV everywere and asked everywere.
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9y, 3w agoPosted 9 years, 3 weeks ago
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#2
Against forum rules anyway.

Report it to admin/mod.
banned#3
odriscoll
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113555

:-( :-( :-( :-(
I have been looking for this TV everywere and asked everywere.



Yet another underhand way to do a sale, I feel for you odriscoll as reading through the thread you made an offer and in my book it should be yours.. but as per people dont really give a rats and take the easy option or deal by pm, or scam, keep your pennies in your pocket chap..
[admin]#4
What did the OP say? As it currently says for collection.

To be honest - thesaint made a good point in the thread which is that you started asking questions which should have been asked first. If you had said £199 ok and I will pay for whatever shipping costs then yeah that would have been a done deal but it doesn't look like that's what happened to me?

Edit: re-reading it... I think the relevant part is posts 9 through 11 right? the OP says "if you can arrange the courier and pay trhough PayPal plus PP fees then it's yours." then you asked questions about the condition in post 10 and then post 11 declined to pay by paypal which was the condition made by OP in post 9....
#5
I would of asked them in a PM but i would get banned for that, all i was waiting for was the OP to say ok deal but he never he was PMing with the other person before the other person even posted as i checked his status.
#6
Oh my god! He cheated on you with another buyer!
#7


No stock by me, just my luck!
banned#8
have you tried argos o driscoll they are selling it for £229
banned#9
I think you will find he made the offer, and he did ask the question about bank transfer, BUT didnt get a reply to either yes or no even though the seller wanted paypal.. so what if he asked questions after offering the price..big deal it means what ? if he had said I withdraw my offer then I can understand.. but looking at what gone on the seller could not be bothered in the hassel and the new buyer was round the corner was the better option ..to my mind ..bang out of order.. everything whats wrong with the for sale.. as for admin .. pah
[admin]#10
dog_cop the way I read it is the OP made an acceptance which was ""if you can arrange the courier and pay trhough PayPal plus PP fees then it's yours.". odriscoll then asked questions about the condition and then stated "Also i would only be able to pay by bank transfer is that ok?"

I read that as declining the conditional acceptance of the OP which left the deal open to anyone who would meet the OP's original offer.

I don't know what the original post stated as the OP has edited it....

p.s. I'm not saying it's great etiquette but I don't think it's a banning offense.
#11
Did not say anything about collection when i posted...
banned#12
well the post has been edited hasnt it
banned#13
Admin
dog_cop the way I read it is the OP made an acceptance which was ""if you can arrange the courier and pay trhough PayPal plus PP fees then it's yours.". odriscoll then asked questions about the condition and then stated "Also i would only be able to pay by bank transfer is that ok?"

I read that as declining the conditional acceptance of the OP which left the deal open to anyone who would meet the OP's original offer.

I don't know what the original post stated as the OP has edited it....

p.s. I'm not saying it's great etiquette but I don't think it's a banning offense.


admin,

you can read it which ever way.. an offer was made.. and at no time do you see the words " I withdraw my interest" Odriscoll asked a few questions.. does that negate the sale? and yes the statement about bank transfer yes I take the point , but the seller would and should have said " NO sorry no way"and then the deal would have been dead OR giving Odriscoll the chance to organsie paypal .. to my mind its pretty poor all round


and if the original post has been edited.. gives rise to the fact of something underhand going on and in my mind it needs swift action
[admin]#14
best way to call dibs is something like this: "I'll take it for that price plus real cost p&p (add whatever details/conditions) as long as your references check out and the item is as described/new/whatever"

That should generally cover it I would think. And then someone else can call second dibs in the case that the refs don't check out to your satisfaction.
banned#15
Admin
best way to call dibs is something like this: "I'll take it for that price plus real cost p&p (add whatever details/conditions) as long as your references check out and the item is as described/new/whatever"

That should generally cover it I would think. And then someone else can call second dibs in the case that the refs don't check out to your satisfaction.



The best way would have been the Op and odriscoll to sort out to the end if the deal should have been done, and others to but out till its sorted, trying to throw your hat into the ring while the deals in mid flight is not cricket :x
#16
Just seen this. All the talk about 'editing', this was done way before the 'misunderstanding' happened anyway.
#17
The person who wanted second dibs had PMed the OP before he even asked for second dibs.
banned#18
Odriscoll I wouldnt waste anymore effort mate as there will be better deals around either before or after crimbo, the whole ethos of the selling forum is totally flawed and you would be better getting it from somewhere more reputable :-D
#19
I know i am not too bothered about it now, just that to me it looked like deal had been agreed with the second dibs person before they had even posted in the thread as when i checked the OPs status it was private messaging,
banned#20
Admin
dog_cop the way I read it is the OP made an acceptance which was ""if you can arrange the courier and pay trhough PayPal plus PP fees then it's yours.". odriscoll then asked questions about the condition and then stated "Also i would only be able to pay by bank transfer is that ok?"

I read that as declining the conditional acceptance of the OP which left the deal open to anyone who would meet the OP's original offer.


Yup, agree with your take. If you start asking questions about the set after making the offer and request change methods of payment, then clearly its a tentative offer and one that definately hadn't been accepted.

As annoying as that may be (I got done over with the same thing - only much worse IMHO on AVforums. I offered full asking price, but added the question "it is the one than plays DiVX isnt it?" Indeed it did - but that was considered as making my offer a condition. Fair enough if it didnt I suppose as it would have thrown it in doubt.

So, to avoid this sort of thing, I think that when making an offer of the full asking price and meeting any payment and delivery criteria, the person making the offer should state that in the offer. Similarly, the seller should state the criteria he wants. Its never going to be cut and dry (eg, He might say BT preferred, but Paypal accepted - and you offer paypal - then someone comes in with a BT offer. So all of these things should be crystal clear and things would be easier to moderate.)

Just MHO anyway!
banned#21
odriscoll
The person who wanted second dibs had PMed the OP before he even asked for second dibs.


How do you know that? If you can prove it, then the deal agreed should be cancelled and bans to both dished out. However, if this is just a hunch, then you are out of order for making the accusation.
banned#22
it looks like o driscoll was looking at jordan's profile
banned#23
corrsmaniac
it looks like o driscoll was looking at jordan's profile


and is that a crime? or are now on a witch hunt :roll:
#24
corrsmaniac
it looks like o driscoll was looking at jordan's profile


Possibly, but what software is odriscoll running that allows him/her to see who other people are sending PM's to.
#25
dog_cop
and is that a crime? or are now on a witch hunt :roll:


They are sticking up for/explaining how odriscoll knew?
banned#26
guv
How do you know that? If you can prove it, then the deal agreed should be cancelled and bans to both dished out. However, if this is just a hunch, then you are out of order for making the accusation.


so now your a mod as well.. what happened on another forum has no bearing here whatsover, its down to mis communication and a lack of questions being asked.. and being answered..
banned#27
thesaint
Possibly, but what software is odriscoll running that allows him/her to see who other people are sending PM's to.



I think some have a very vivid imagination me thinks :roll:
banned#28
dog_cop
and is that a crime? or are now on a witch hunt :roll:


Who is you are suggesting is on a which hunt? If the accusation that has been made can be proven, then the deal should be stopped / and bans handed out. What I'm curious about is how these PMs are know about.

I suppose it all depends on whether you are interested in getting to the bottom of things or just think the for sale forum is naf and not managed properly.
#29
The thing with the FS forum is people are too quick to jump in and say I'll have it blah blah, whilst the more intelligent member will spend time asking questions. Such as are you Paypal verified etc blah. That causes them to lose out and leechers leech off that info found and take the deal.
In this case, the seller was out of order in my opinion.
#30
odriscoll
The person who wanted second dibs had PMed the OP before he even asked for second dibs.




dog_cop
I think some have a very vivid imagination me thinks :roll:


We agree :thumbsup:
banned#31
dog_cop
so now your a mod as well..


Do you have reading difficulties? Have I suggested I am? If so, kindly enlighten me.

what happened on another forum has no bearing here whatsover,


No, but are you suggesting its irrelivant to give an example where rules are seemingly flawed? I thought that was what you have been whinging about?

its down to mis communication and a lack of questions being asked.. and being answered..


I'm glad you now agree with the Mods assessment then.
banned#32
guv
Who is you are suggesting is on a which hunt? If the accusation that has been made can be proven, then the deal should be stopped / and bans handed out. What I'm curious about is how these PMs are know about.

I suppose it all depends on whether you are interested in getting to the bottom of things or just think the for sale forum is naf and not managed properly.


I do think the for sale forum is not being managed properly, this deal is a prime example.. as for getting to the bottom of things, in the real world things would be nice and smooth and easy to sell items, people list, people offer , sale done, now its all oh I can get it cheaper here or there blah blah or cex this cex that.. well get on over to cex, to me item goes on sale, questions its regarding condition etc pric etc, then that that, IF you can find it cheaper dont buy , those who do nothing but try to haggle down people and are NOT even interested in buying should burger off , but they are allowed to spoil the thread, but its all down to management or lack off
#33
i had been to most liverpool stores to get this TV all sold out, i wanted to get this before someone else got it thats why i offered first then asked questioned after.
#34
odriscoll
i had been to most liverpool stores to get this TV all sold out, i wanted to get this before someone else got it thats why i offered first then asked questioned after.


People are trying to defend you, then you go and say something like this. :giggle:
#35
I know i was explaining to admin why i offered then asked questions its because i did not want anyone to get it before me.
banned#36
dog_cop
and is that a crime? or are now on a witch hunt :roll:


im not a witch hunt i could careless where the tv went i was just trying to i know what to do in the future
banned#37
odriscoll
i had been to most liverpool stores to get this TV all sold out, i wanted to get this before someone else got it thats why i offered first then asked questioned after.


Then you have learnt a valuable lesson that its not the way to do it.

So what was your remark about this deal being done by PM?
#38
off with his head I say:|
#39
I've checked Argos in East Anglia, West and South Yorkshire (Cos I got Family up there) and no joy.
But I did find this one on ebay:- 250186158628. Ask questions, you may get a great deal.
#40
When i said i wanted the TV i was waiting for the OP to reply and he took a while, so i checked his status and it said private messaging, so i thought he was sending me a PM 5 minutes later no PM then the 2nd dibs person posted they wanted second dibs, then i looked at there status and it said private messaging so i thought this was suspicious.

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