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Swine flu - plans to vaccinate the entire population!

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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
This worries me alittle, why are they doing this? I mean, more people die of seasonal flu ...
they say it could mutate...... does this mean we are not being told something?



Health chiefs are preparing to vaccinate the entire population against swine flu.

In what would be the biggest vaccination programme of the last 50 years, experts are already drawing up a priority list of patients to be given immunity before the bug becomes more virulent.

It comes after the first British patient without underlying health problems died from the disease, taking the number of swine flu-linked deaths in the UK to 15.

Peter Holden, the British Medical Association's lead negotiator on swine flu, told The Sunday Times: "The high risk groups will be done at GPs' surgeries.

"People are still making decisions over this, but we want to get cracking before we get a second wave, which is traditionally far more virulent.

He added: "If the virus does (mutate), it can get a lot more nasty, and the idea is to give people immunity. But the sheer logistics of dealing with 60 million people can't be underestimated."

The latest swine flu-linked death happened at Basildon and Thurrock University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, NHS East of England.

Chief Medical Officer Sir Liam Donaldson warned on Saturday that other healthy people were at risk of dying from the disease.

He said: "As with all flu-like viruses, some people are at higher risk than others. Unfortunately, people who are otherwise healthy could also become seriously ill or, sadly, die."

But Sir Liam added: "Fortunately, this particular new virus isn't nearly as severe as it could have been. If it had, for example, come out of the bird flu variant it would have been producing much higher levels of mortality



What do you guys and gals think of this?
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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#1
I wouldn't worry - they are using scare tactics again to control us:) I'm one member of the population that is not going to be immunized.

Loads of people at the WHO would be out of a job if someone didn't continuously come up with something to panic the world.
#2
there isnt enough vaccine to do this-and there wont be til 2010 so cant happen.
#3
i really wish they wouldnt go OTT on things. I mean many yrs ago before TV , newspapers etc, all this went on and noone knew. I actually believe too much information ISNT good for you. Makes people panic. Sometimes its best not to know so much.
#4
no idea love x x
#5
Theres a very good chance the virus has mutated already.
#6
pcnutta
i really wish they wouldnt go OTT on things. I mean many yrs ago before TV , newspapers etc, all this went on and noone knew. I actually believe too much information ISNT good for you. Makes people panic. Sometimes its best not to know so much.


I dont think it's ever best "not to know" though sweetie x x
#7
Predikuesi
I wouldn't worry - they are using scare tactics again to control us:) I'm one member of the population that is not going to be immunized.

Loads of people at the WHO would be out of a job if someone didn't continuously come up with something to panic the world.


And lets face it, with the economy being what it is the big pharmaceutical companies are probably pushing this as an easy way to get cash. Hell, they probably released SF into the wild :lol:
#8
Meadsy4742
Theres a very good chance the virus has mutated already.


yes and mutations generally get weaker and weaker.. It isn't in a virus's interests to kill its host x x
#9
pcnutta
i really wish they wouldnt go OTT on things. I mean many yrs ago before TV , newspapers etc, all this went on and noone knew. I actually believe too much information ISNT good for you. Makes people panic. Sometimes its best not to know so much.


exactly,too much information,what you don't know cant hurt you:thumbsup:
#10
Meadsy4742
Theres a very good chance the virus has mutated already.


yeah could be , maybe the last death, ( the health person with no underlaying health problems)

Ahhh i hate things out of my control!
#11
Shengis;5727127
they probably released SF into the wild :lol:


My thoughts too, but I thought I'd get lynched if I suggested that. I'll attend your lynching instead:)
#12
just wait till winter as i originally said when this first broke out, then we will see how bad this swine flu is

ut yeah it aiint no sarrs like some people were comparing it to, expecting it just to be swept under the carpet within a couple of weeks
#13
Predikuesi
My thoughts too, but I thought I'd get lynched if I suggested that. I'll attend your lynching instead:)


loll you been watching that VIRUS film aint ya! loll

Though the sceptics in us... who knows!
#14
Im going to get my son vaccinated though, hes astmatic.
banned#15
i will not be getting vaccinated, whos to trust something that has been whipped up so quickly :?

No thanks, ill take my chances! :thumbsup:

Although - im high priority for the flu jab so i guess this one whould be the same right...:? :thinking:
banned#16
Shengis
And lets face it, with the economy being what it is


Nothing like a good way to bury bad news! :whistling::whistling:
#17
pcnutta;5727207
loll you been watching that VIRUS film aint ya! loll

Though the sceptics in us... who knows!


I am a bit like that regarding these things - I was years ago when they said that AIDS was going to overcome us:)

Is that a new film? I have been watching a series on DVD called ReGenesis which sounds similar.
banned#18
guv
Nothing like a good way to bury bad news! :whistling::whistling:


Do you think our lizard overlords killed Michael Jackson for the same reason?
#19
100,000 per day might catch it so i heared on tv we have a population of 60 million they telling us we will all be infected in two month lol
aids was going to kill us all then bird flu
and many more mad cow for one
dont worry
i am sure you will be fine
#20
dcx_badass
Yeah ok, good luck vaccinating me, not been vaccinated against TB, not been vaccinated against Tetanus or Dipheria, and I'm not been vaccinated against this either.


rebel without a cause lol
banned#21
dcx_badass
Yeah ok, good luck vaccinating me, not been vaccinated against TB, not been vaccinated against Tetanus or Dipheria, and I'm not been vaccinated against this either.


You don't need to if you wear a tin foil hat.
#22
FilthAndFurry
You don't need to if you wear a tin foil hat.


he's from leeds we dont need vaccinations from up north.....
#23
ClarityofMind
yes and mutations generally get weaker and weaker.. It isn't in a virus's interests to kill its host x x


It is true that its not in the interests of a virus to kill all its hosts, but most viruses have intermediate hosts as well. Some like smallpox or polio just have a human host, but mutation doesn't make them 'weaker' as such.

Viruses mutate into a slightly different virus that can infect the same host over and over. If a virus has a high mutation rate it can overcome our immune memory by changing its surface proteins so the antibodies that are produced no longer attach. The influenza virus is a problem because of its mutation rate. Every year there is a flu season. The influenza virus has two main surface proteins ( H & N) that allow the virus to infect. When we are infected (or vaccinated) with flu we develop memory antibodies against those proteins and they will stop infection if we are exposed to the same flu virus. However, as the flu virus travels around the world following the local flu season, it mutates. If the RNA that codes for either the H or N mutates then the protein will be slightly different and those antibodies made by an infected person will no longer bind. Now, the chance of having both the H and N mutate in a given year is really small, probably only one of them will change. When this happens and we are exposed to this mutated virus during next years flu season, some of our antibodies will bind and some will not. Those that bind to the non-mutated protein will still give us some protection. Those antibodies against the mutated protein will no longer work. So, the infection will be mild but infect a lot of people. This process of gradual mutation from year to year leads to yearly epidemics of flu. Every year the powers that be determine how the flu virus has mutated and makes a new vaccine based on these new strains. So, every year we get the best new flu jab.
The flu virus has another way of overcoming our immune system. It can rearrange its RNA by mixing with other flu viruses to create hybrid viruses that have new H & N antigens in the same virus. These viruses are like completely "new" flu viruses because nobody has any antibody memory against them. They are particularly nasty and can infect a lot of people fast. These viruses cause pandemics of influenza. This only happens when the flu virus from two different species infect the same cell. Pandemic-causing viruses behave differently to seasonal viruses in that. Like the pandemic of 1918, they tend to disproportionately kill the 20-40 year-olds and healthy rather than the young, old and frail who are the usual victims of seasonal flu.
#24
I am of the opinion that even if swine-flu is presently mild, it is here in the UK and also infecting a lot of people world-wide. If is does become a new virus in the autumn then we are in trouble, which may be preventable by a vaccination. If it doesn’t, then the vaccination process will be good practise for when the pandemic of what-ever sort does eventually arrive. Whether it is a good idea to divert resources from seasonal flu vaccination, I doubt.

The point about vaccinating the whole population is to give ‘herd immunity’ where the vulnerable ones who cannot be vaccinated are protected from the disease by, effectively a barrier of all the others who are vaccinated and so reduce the incidence, exposure and prevalence of the disease. We can see the effect of losing herd immunity in those parts of the country where the MMR vaccine take-up dropped and there are dangerous out-breaks of measles.

I think that the comments about mad cow disease are a little harsh. I do believe that here would be many more cases of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, if the stringent rules about slaughter and preparation had not been instigated, although I do not agree with those who think it is caused by ‘prions’.
AIDS is pretty much the prophesied disaster if you look at Africa.
#25
Its already winter in Australia dont foget so i think WHO are looking to see whats happenign there at the moment as there is a good chance of a mutation.

The first people to get the jabs will be people who already get flu jabs i would imagine
#26
You ask me it's an attempt to gain votes by our oh so caring government :roll:
#27
1 minute of my time for some peace of mind? ill take it.
banned#28
FilthAndFurry
Do you think our lizard overlords killed Michael Jackson for the same reason?


No. That was probably for different reasons. I'll leave you to think up some good conspiracy theories.

deanos
Its already winter in Australia dont foget so i think WHO are looking to see whats happenign there at the moment as there is a good chance of a mutation.


Not too many sub 0 temperatures to talk about there though!
#29
I am not concerned if I get Swine Flu what I am worried about is what it will do to the already fragile economy with hundreds of thousands of people not working!
#30
Swine flu - plans to vaccinate the entire population!
This worries me alittle, why are they doing this?


This worries me as well. I know a couple of adults with learning needs. One is a young lad in the dangerous age range for swine flu. I found out that he has had flu like symptoms including upset stomach and vomiting for several days. he lives in an area where there have been lots of swine flu cases. Yesterday I rang NHS Direct on his behalf and after taking his details they started questioning me. Ive been on steroids and could be in an at risk group but was not worried about me. Now I have been told to call the assessment line to get Tamiflu. I have had a cold for a while but think thats all. I am personally a bit more concerned about the side effects of Tamiflu right now which are not very nice in some people, if I were to take it. The same applies with regard to any potential vaccination.
But not managed to even get through to the assessment line as it either rings or is engaged.

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