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Swine flu vaccine.... will you let you child under 5 have it?

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7y, 1w agoPosted 7 years, 1 week ago
Hi,

My children 3 & 1 have been offered the swine flu jab /vaccine by the JP.
I am in 2 minds & confused whether they should have it or not.
Both children are healthy and well.

- has your child had it, if so how did they get on...sore arm, temp or anything else
- Has you child been offered it.... if so will you go ahead or not

Feel free to add more questions.
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7y, 1w agoPosted 7 years, 1 week ago
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#1
My little lad (4 in January) has had it (and me too(due to asthma)). My little lad moaned of a sore arm for a few hours then seemed to forget about it until his sister bumped into him by accident. Although he had it about 2 weeks ago and came out with Chicken Pox about a week ago (dont think it was linked or anything though as CP had been going around his nursery for the last month). He never had any temp or anything else though.

And he is in one of the 'at risk' groups because he was born nearly 3 months premature.

And my arm was fine until a couple of days later when it went bit numb for few hours.
[helper]#2
You have to balance the risks against the possible side effects of the vaccine. If my child was in one of the at risk groups then yes I would. However if they are healthy and fit & well then I wouldn't. Other half was looking the Glaxo (who make the vaccine) site and they were indicating around 75% of children would suffer mild flu-like symptoms after the vaccination.

But its your decision - gather as much info as you can then decide what is best for you and your child.
#3
I was offered it but declined.
I haven't looked into it too much as i thought i was just getting the "normal" flu vaccine but i heard even the nhs staff weren't having it so i said no thanks.
I was told i could go back and have it if i changed my mind.
#4
I wouldnt bother either unless they're in an at risk group xxx

ie if they have diabetes or a reduced immune system for some reason xxxx
#5
I'm not sure what i'm going to do when i get asked. Its a hard choice to know what to do, as far as i know my little one is healthy but what if she has a underlying condtion that we don't know about and if she got swine flu and got really ill i would feel horrid that she didn't have the jab. But then if she is healthy i could be putting something which don't really know what the side affects could be into her body :? no win!
#6
There's no point, it's mutating already in the Ukraine and Norway which renders the vaccine worthless
#7
i have been offered it, should i get it?

i already had the normal flu one but have been offered this now too....:?
#8
as i said in mine...we let me son have it because he was born 3 months premature and as a result has a weakened immune system. I decided to have it myself because i've got asthma. I think if i didnt have asthma i'd of said no to be honest.
#9
I have a 6 month old and a 3 year old. If my GP offers them the vaccine (which I imagine will happen soon) I will allow them to have it.
Although most cases of swine flu are nothing to worry about, I would rather take the chance of a few flu like side effects from the vaccine to the potentially more serious complications that can occur with a bad case of swine flu.

Doctors offer vaccines in order to protect us. Unless there is a damn good reason not to my children will have every vaccine offered.
#10
Even if it has mutated the vaccination will give you partial defence.

My wife's father is a world renowned virologist and he said that you would be mad not to have it, good enough for me.

My wife has had it as she is pregnant and my son and I will have it as soon as it is available.
#11
Chiselteeth
I have a 6 month old and a 3 year old. If my GP offers them the vaccine (which I imagine will happen soon) I will allow them to have it.
Although most cases of swine flu are nothing to worry about, I would rather take the chance of a few flu like side effects from the vaccine to the potentially more serious complications that can occur with a bad case of swine flu.

Doctors offer vaccines in order to protect us. Unless there is a damn good reason not to my children will have every vaccine offered.


and the fact that it contains mercury, squalene adjuvants and hasn't been tested isn't a good reason?
#12
chester123
Even if it has mutated the vaccination will give you partial defence.

My wife's father is a world renowned virologist and he said that you would be mad not to have it, good enough for me.

My wife has had it as she is pregnant and my son and I will have it as soon as it is available.


What's his name?
#13
Not willing to disclose that but I have no reason to lie.
#14
will let my three year old have it but wont have it myslef as am preg and feel its too untested and will effect unborn baby.
#15
chester123
Not willing to disclose that but I have no reason to lie.


But why not? If he's a world renowned virologist then it's not like he is shy or would have a problem anyone knowing his name! Just Mr xxxxxxxxx would be fine :thumbsup:
#16
magicbeans
will let my three year old have it but wont have it myslef as am preg and feel its too untested and will effect unborn baby.


Our midwife and consultant (private) advised my wife to have it.
#17
I am thinking the same..may let the 3 yr old have it as she in at nursery, but not my son 1.8 month son.
#18
SunTzu
But why not? If he's a world renowned virologist then it's not like he is shy or would have a problem anyone knowing his name! Just Mr xxxxxxxxx would be fine :thumbsup:


Ok it's Mr Clapham.
suspended#19
As I am diabetic I was offered this but I have declined it. Not sure if it was the right decision. But as I never suffer from colds and only had flu once years ago, this was my decision.
#20
bluebindy123
As I am diabetic I was offered this but I have declined it. Not sure if it was the right decision. But as I never suffer from colds and only had flu once years ago, this was my decision.


Do you not age?
#21
Not sure about the vaccine, but having just come out of the 'other side' of having swine flu, and the whole family had it, I can say it is not a nice experience.
It's bad enough that my wife and I were both shivering uncontrollably, yes sweating and burning up at the same time, hallucinating, feeling ill, having no energy, wanting to sleep ALL the time and yet being completely restless, but trying to explain to a 2yr old and a 4yr old why THEY are getting those symtoms is almost impossible.
There is no quick fix either. The Tamiflu used to treat it, whilst good, is almost assured to give you either bad stomache, sickness, nausea, vomiting, or all of the above. It is the only medication that I have ever taken that tells you in the leaflet that if you feel unwell or nauseas during the treatment you MUST still continue the course to completion...

Would we have had the vaccination before hand if it had been offered? In hindsight I would have needed a damn good reason not to have it & give it to my children as well.
#22
chester123
Ok it's Mr Clapham.


cool, I think I might know him Did he used to be at UCL but now works in the U.S.?
#23
SunTzu
cool, I think I might know him Did he used to be at UCL but now works in the U.S.?


You don't know him you typed his name into Google.
#24
I havent been offered it yet, but i have a 4,3&a 2yr old and i will not be getting it done because they are in good generall health and they have no idea about the long term side effects of this yet, NHS staff are turning it down, look at the side effects that have been seen with the tamiflu, they gave it too people without fully knowing the side effects, but consider it carefully before you decide what to do
#25
sooo confusing....
i want them to have it ... good short term measure.
but don't want them to have due to not knowing long term side effects.
#26
I was SO going to post this question myself, so here's my thoughts.

I've three children, one has just turned three, one is 20 months, one is 6 months, they are all normal and healthy and have had/are having their routine jabs as a matter of course.

I personally would NOT have the swine flu jab. I feel I am well enough and strong enough to cope with one bout of flu (and I'm not belittling it, I just believe we'll all have to have it at some point.) I also generally work on the idea where I don't give my children anything I wouldn't have myself, this is where I become a little stuck.

If I was pregnant I WOULD be having it, there is a greater risk to the baby than to me, and I wouldn't be happy with that level of risk. At present I am glad not to be put in that position.

The children. I wouldn't want them to get ill at all, but I feel it is best for them to be exposed to as many germs as possible. The flu itself SHOULDN'T kill them, or leave them with any horrid long term effects, neither should the jab.

Death is really my only concern. If I don't jab them, and they die, I will feel incredibly guilty. If I do jab them, and they die, I will still feel guilty, but will have the government to blame, so perhaps not SO guilty.

I have a friend who is a nurse, she dishes out the injections all day long in schools. She has not had the jab, nor has she given it to her children. Yet anyway. She also said that as the jab is in ready prepared syringes (rather than being drawn up on demand) the needle used is not as sharp as for other routine jabs, making it much more painful for the child. She does 80+ jabs per day and feels horrible by the end as it's really not pleasant to give or receive.

I've not had my letter yet, asking us to come down and get jabbed. I don't know what I'll do.

I have only one more thought. This drug was rushed through in much the same way as Thalidomide. And we all know how that worked out. And the GPs and drug companies were saying all the same things about it back then. Why suffer with the morning sickness when it can be easily prevented. Why suffer with the flu, when we can easily prevent it? It's untried, untested (by which I mean, stood the test of TIME). Is one bout of really bad flu really all that bad?

Long post, but I hope it helps.

Whatever you choose to do - don't feel bad.
#27
chester123
You don't know him you typed his name into Google.


No, I think that's what you did. I actually studied amino acid's at UCL in 1999 and Professor Clapham took some of the classes.
#28
Dr. Fukuda (chief flu adviser to the W.H.O.’s director general) also said W.H.O. scientists were “not sure” of the level of threat posed by a separate mutation that helps the virus reach the lungs. It has been found in Norway, Ukraine, Brazil, China, Japan, Mexico and the United States, in both serious and mild cases.

Experts still need to see whether the mutation — whose shorthand name in virology is D222G or D225G — is becoming more common, and how often it leads to severe disease, he said.

One isolate from Ukraine with the mutation had changed so that swine flu vaccine probably would not protect against it well, Britain’s national medical laboratory reported Friday.

Flus mutate so fast, Dr. Fukuda cautioned, that announcing each change is “like reporting changes in the weather.”
#29
SunTzu
Dr. Fukuda (chief flu adviser to the W.H.O.’s director general) also said W.H.O. scientists were “not sure” of the level of threat posed by a separate mutation that helps the virus reach the lungs. It has been found in Norway, Ukraine, Brazil, China, Japan, Mexico and the United States, in both serious and mild cases.

Experts still need to see whether the mutation — whose shorthand name in virology is D222G or D225G — is becoming more common, and how often it leads to severe disease, he said.

One isolate from Ukraine with the mutation had changed so that swine flu vaccine probably would not protect against it well, Britain’s national medical laboratory reported Friday.

Flus mutate so fast, Dr. Fukuda cautioned, that announcing each change is “like reporting changes in the weather.”


Where is this information pulled from?
#30
SunTzu
No, I think that's what you did. I actually studied amino acid's at UCL in 1999 and Professor Clapham took some of the classes.


Yes, I typed my own father in law's name into google, to appease someone on a deals website.
#31
chester123
Yes, I typed my own father in law's name into google, to appease someone on a deals website.


lmao
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chester123
Yes, I typed my own father in law's name into google, to appease someone on a deals website.


Oh behave you two. OP only asked about whether you would let your own child have the swine flu jab, not who your father in law is or who taught you stuff 10 years ago...The idea is to help someone make what is quite an important decision about their childrens health.
#33
davidn84
Oh behave you two. OP only asked about whether you would let your own child have the swine flu jab, not who your father in law is or who taught you stuff 10 years ago...The idea is to help someone make what is quite an important decision about their childrens health.


yeah baby

repped :-D
#34
chester123
Where is this information pulled from?


It's from an article in the NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/health/28flu.html

Your father-in-law should be a member of the Recombinomics list, they are sending out information daily regarding the D225G change. :thumbsup:

"The samples of the Ukraine flu virus that were analyzed by the World Health Organization provide a great deal of information about the mutations found in this strain of the swine flu. For example, each of the samples from fatalities contained a change in the receptor binding domain for the virus to D225G, which affects the lungs. In addition, one sample has been classed as a low reactor, which means that if that strain of virus were to spread, individuals who have been vaccinated would not be protected."
#35
SunTzu
and the fact that it contains mercury, squalene adjuvants and hasn't been tested isn't a good reason?


What are you saying about squalene and mercury? As you imply that these are dangerous substances in the vaccine?
#36
Oh here is a good in depth podcast on H1N1 and the vaccine to anyone who want to know if it is safehttp://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=1&pid=10001
#37
dananana
What are you saying about squalene and mercury? As you imply that these are dangerous substances in the vaccine?


are you joking???? :?
#38
dananana
What are you saying about squalene and mercury? As you imply that these are dangerous substances in the vaccine?


Heres a link to how the public have reacted in Germany
http://www.flu-treatments.com/immune-adjuvant.html

Decisions have to be personal ones I guess based on your own circumstances and level of faith.
#39
SunTzu
are you joking???? :?


NO as you as the mercury in the H1N1 vaccine. The fact is in the H1N1 vaccine is ethylmercury which is different from the more well know version and deadly of mercury. THe h1N1 vaccine has as much ethylmercury as a can of tuna I never seen anyone claim tuna is dangerous. While squalene has been tested a lot and is also know to be safe but you did not mention this.
#40
WoolyM
Heres a link to how the public have reacted in Germany
http://www.flu-treatments.com/immune-adjuvant.html

Decisions have to be personal ones I guess based on your own circumstances and level of faith.


You cannot take what is on that website seriously. For example look at this page is it is just pure and utter pseudoscience.

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