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Tax Credits - a rant

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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
Apologies in advance for this rant, but here goes...:

It REALLY REALLY bugs me when I ask guys that work for me to do overtime, and they REFUSE because they're only "allowed" to work x number of hours without their tax credits being affected.

What sort of world do we live in when the government actively PREVENTS people from working?!?!?

Totally understand why people refuse to do the o/t - effectively they'd be working for free.

Just really frustrating.

Rant over.
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
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banned#1
some lady went to nigeria to buy a baby so she could get a council house... go figure.
#2
imranmaz
some lady went to nigeria to buy a baby so she could get a council house... go figure.


people HAVE babies to get council houses, messed up government policy at its best!!
banned#3
imranmaz
some lady went to nigeria to buy a baby so she could get a council house... go figure.


She must have been really ugly.
#4
I'm entitled to nothing yet i have no life 'cos i cant aford to go out much. What really anoyed me was when i needed my loft insulted because i had nothing whatsoever up there and my heating bills were through the roof. I had to pay £180 to have insulation put in and when i asked they guy if i could pay with a cheque he said he didnt know as most people got it done for free. he said he went to some very large houses where they clearly had plenty of money yet they got it for free just because a son or daughter would be claiming benefit.
That really narked me!
#5
bellabonkers
I'm entitled to nothing yet i have no life 'cos i cant aford to go out much. What really anoyed me was when i needed my loft insulted because i had nothing whatsoever up there and my heating bills were through the roof. I had to pay £180 to have insulation put in and when i asked they guy if i could pay with a cheque he said he didnt know as most people got it done for free. he said he went to some very large houses where they clearly had plenty of money yet they got it for free just because a son or daughter would be claiming benefit.
That really narked me!


it's incredible as well that some people are actually better off not working!!!

sure, throw money at people that need it, but dont reward laziness!!!
#6
we have a councillor that refused his payment of just under 10 grand a year because he was on benefits and he got more benefits that way - he would have lost out a lot more than the 10 grand if he took the money - what a joke that someone turns down 10 grand to stay on the social
banned#7
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm247/imranmaz/camerafail.jpg
banned#8
bellabonkers;2123479
I'm entitled to nothing yet i have no life 'cos i cant aford to go out much. What really anoyed me was when i needed my loft insulted because i had nothing whatsoever up there and my heating bills were through the roof. I had to pay £180 to have insulation put in and when i asked they guy if i could pay with a cheque he said he didnt know as most people got it done for free. he said he went to some very large houses where they clearly had plenty of money yet they got it for free just because a son or daughter would be claiming benefit.


I can completely sympathise. We recently got our loft and cavity walls done for free. My eldest is registered disabled and qualified through that. I could have afforded to pay for it - and if I am honest, I cannot see why his disability (he is autistic) should make any difference to payment. Mind you, it was only because it was free that we had it done. I certainly wouldnt consider myself a scrounger - but the amount of things I have to pay I dont agree with - I wasnt going to say no to this!

Prior to 5 years ago, Id never claimed a penny for anything and never been out of work. I lost my job and asked at the time if his disability meant anything in terms of claims. I was shocked to learn that we could - yet was never told this before. I guess you need to be that kind of person to search all avenues! I'd never really given it any thought before. Now through his disability, my wife gets paid £220pm - even though she works part time on a pittance and I work full time now on a decent salary. Thats likely to fall in 2 years time when he turns 12 and he gets reassessed, though I can tell you, its really noticable how much less spare cash we have. Inflation at 4%? Yeh right. Its gonna hurt when it goes!

As for child tax credits. We dont get anything. Aparently, we got over paid (at the same time I was out of work) and now paying that back even now! God knows how some people survive. Its not the cost of housing (which is scandolous) - its the crippleing taxation that just goes on and on. How long before we have a breathing tax for CO2 emissions?
#9
i think we should be like the french - you should only get something out of it if you pay something in to it
banned#10
sn0ttyang3l;2123516
i think we should be like the french - you should only get something out of it if you pay something in to it


Indeed. The NHS would be a good starting point!
banned#11
the benefits system makes me http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm247/imranmaz/puke.gif
#12
guv, i really don't begrudge the people that get things off the government when they are entitled to them and need them. The ironic thing is my parents got theres done for free since as they are both pensioners, yet i often ask them to help me out now and then since as they are better off then myself.
#13
guv
Indeed. The NHS would be a good starting point!

Dont get me started on the feckin NHS...i work for them...:viking:
#14
The problem with the tax credit system in relation to the original post is that although it is fundamentally a good 'safeguard' for working families ( as opposed to the old FIS system ) it does have its flaws.

Firstly, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but the the awards are seemingly based on the recipient/claimant's earnings from the previous tax year. Now this policy seems to present all sorts of problems such as declaration of earnings, people whose salaries are commission dependent, unforeseen changes in circumstances, etc.

Secondly, as OP says, for employers, it must be frustrating when your staff are aware of their restrictions & therefore choose to 'work to rule' as opposed to working for free. This doesn't do anyone any good in the long run.

It just seems to be a lot of red tape, which although necessary could surely be simplified.
#15
sn0ttyang3l
i think we should be like the french - you should only get something out of it if you pay something in to it


Heaven forbid , that'll mean most of the imigrants in this country will have to resort to begging or thieving in order to keep their large families fed .
#16
bellabonkers
Dont get me started on the feckin NHS...i work for them...:viking:


I also work for the NHS although on maternity leave at present and I can't believe we have turned into a world health service.
banned#17
sn0ttyang3l
i think we should be like the french - you should only get something out of it if you pay something in to it


I think so to, i worked continuously full time from the age of 16 to 32 and never claimed a penny.

Then a few bad thing's happened in my life and I had to quit work due to depression.

I claimed incapacity benefit for three month's, then I decided to go on JSA because I did not want to be classed as sick any longer, even though I was.

I went to the job centre every two week's and hated it because I just felt like I didn't fit in with the losers that went there.

I got JSA for six months then it was stopped because my partner works full time.

So from October to December I got zero, I then went temping for a couple of month's and got a part time job in January but hated it, so I quit in March and I am now just selling Avon and doing what I can to get by.
banned#18
guv
Indeed. The NHS would be a good starting point!


I agree with this too, I think you should only be allowed to have children that you can afford.
banned#19
karaokecolin
The problem with the tax credit system in relation to the original post is that although it is fundamentally a good 'safeguard' for working families ( as opposed to the old FIS system ) it does have its flaws.

Firstly, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but the the awards are seemingly based on the recipient/claimant's earnings from the previous tax year. Now this policy seems to present all sorts of problems such as declaration of earnings, people whose salaries are commission dependent, unforeseen changes in circumstances, etc.

Secondly, as OP says, for employers, it must be frustrating when your staff are aware of their restrictions & therefore choose to 'work to rule' as opposed to working for free. This doesn't do anyone any good in the long run.

It just seems to be a lot of red tape, which although necessary could surely be simplified.


When I worked part time, the mother's would not work more than so many hour's.

So everybody else got all the rubbish hour's.
banned#20
ricko
Heaven forbid , that'll mean most of the imigrants in this country will have to resort to begging or thieving in order to keep their large families fed .


Steralise them.
#21
ricko
Heaven forbid , that'll mean most of the imigrants in this country will have to resort to begging or thieving in order to keep their large families fed .


How many negative stereotypes/damaging discourses can you build into a single sentence? The BNP are always looking for thoughtful people like yourself - maybe give them a ring?
1 Like #22
ricko
Heaven forbid , that'll mean most of the imigrants in this country will have to resort to begging or thieving in order to keep their large families fed .


Actually, immigrants have to work for a year before they can claim, unlike British people who can claim Income Support, Council Tax benefit, Housing benefit, etc. without having to have ever worked a single minute. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Edit: And if we're talking about non-EU migrants (which I assume you are, due to the "large families" statement), then many will have been stamped as having "no recourse to public funds". This means having to work for many more years before benefits can be claimed.
banned#23
dlm;2123865
I agree with this too and I think you should only be allowed to have a couple of children.

I think people should be allowed to have as many children as THEY can afford. Only paying child benefit for the first child would put off quite a few :thumbsup:

I cant believe this government keeps putting child benefit up each year way above inflation yet takes the money needed off low paid single taxpayers.
#24
I hate the way the benifits work. Apparently i earn too much to claim much (I WISH) in the way for our 5 month old baby and me and the missus would love her to stay at home and look after our daughter, but if she does this, we are still not entitled to any extra help.

Me and the missus have worked all our lives and now are gonna have to work even harder to make ends meet to make sure the little one gets what she needs.
banned#25
Buttmonk3y
I hate the way the benifits work. Apparently i earn too much to claim much (I WISH) in the way for our 5 month old baby and me and the missus would love her to stay at home and look after our daughter, but if she does this, we are still not entitled to any extra help.

Me and the missus have worked all our lives and now are gonna have to work even harder to make ends meet to make sure the little one gets what she needs.


I don't think I will bother having any children until I can afford to stay at home for the first couple of year's.

That means that I probably will not have any.
#26
dlm
Steralise them.


Didn't Adolf Hitler have an idea along those lines? :thinking:
#27
csiman
I think people should be allowed to have as many children as THEY can afford. Only paying child benefit for the first child would put off quite a few :thumbsup:

I cant believe this government keeps putting child benefit up each year way above inflation yet takes the money needed off low paid single taxpayers.


Child benefit's not that much, I really don't think anyone would have kids just for child benefit.
#28
tony_s1
Didn't Adolf Hitler have an idea along those lines? :thinking:


And a whole host of countries before and after. Sweden, surprisingly, right through the 1950's and only formally abolished in 1976... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization
#29
This is terrible, what about a temporary injection when they collect the giro, then if they dont collect they can have more kids. You couldn't possibly take away the choice on a permanent basis(you evil lot)!
#30
dlm
I don't think I will bother having any children until I can afford to stay at home for the first couple of year's.

That means that I probably will not have any.


Thats the problem, if you want them when you afford them, you will never have them!
banned 1 Like #31
The whole purpose of tax credits, benefits, nhs provision, etc is to provide a safety net which should allow people to enjoy a minimum standard of living and care.

Sure it's not perfect, but I'm aghast at the throw away remarks that are offered in this thread regarding entitlements to benefits should only be allowed after contributions etc. Many persons are in this position due to no fault of their own. I could think of 101 scenarios immediately and to suggest these people should fend for themselves is absurd and worrying that persons can post/vote without the slightest thoughts behind their comments.

I know some people may abuse the benefits system and have no intention of working but as I stated before it's a safety net to ensure a minimum standard of living for all. You only have to look at some countries where little or no protection is offered, scandalous in this modern day and age.

Going back to the OP, it's clear that a lot of employers are taking advantage of the economic situation, knowing that they can get away with paying lousy wages which require the state to top up with various tax credits. Perhaps some employers could take a moral stand and look at their own contribution to society without taking the stand to earn/exploit as much as possible. However this is a country in which we try to offload our conscience and guilt at the terrible humanitarian disasters involving Africa, Burma and many others by donating the odd £20 or so once a year by way of comic relief and public appeals, so I don't hold out too much hope.
#32
aScottishBloke

Going back to the OP, it's clear that a lot of employers are taking advantage of the economic situation, knowing that they can get away with paying lousy wages which require the state to top up with various tax credits. Perhaps some employers could take a moral stand and look at their own contribution to society without taking the stand to earn/exploit as much as possible. However this is a country in which we try to offload our conscience and guilt at the terrible humanitarian disasters involving Africa, Burma and many others by donating the odd £20 or so once a year by way of comic relief and public appeals, so I don't hold out too much hope.


Just to add some further info to my outline my frustration:

My industry is in a highly unionised environment, the people that work part time in my company earn £10 an hour - a good rate for unskilled work.
I must admit my company's recruitment policy lets me down, relying on overtime is the only way I can meet my planned workload.
My parrticular problem is some of the staff members refusing work as the government in effect pays them to do nothing,
Certainly, in the future I will be doing my best to take people on who wouldn't get tax credits (ie the young and single).
People a little bit older (with all the experience and lifeskills) won't be getting the jobs I interview for, and that's a shame.
#33
i'm sure if there was a simple answer to this equation someone in government would have thought of it, given the infinite monkeys theory
banned#34
but surely if your staff arent covering the work then you should employ more staff, why should staff have to do overtime if they dont wish to, whether their getting tax credits or not, overtime is overtime not the hours you signed up to do
banned#35
tony_s1
Didn't Adolf Hitler have an idea along those lines? :thinking:


He probably did, I think some of his ideas were good.

So did 84.6% of the germans at the time.
#36
sassie
but surely if your staff arent covering the work then you should employ more staff, why should staff have to do overtime if they dont wish to, whether their getting tax credits or not, overtime is overtime not the hours you signed up to do


thats right, one of the reasons i recently changed jobs is because i felt pressured by co workers (through breaktime comments about those workers who are too lazy to work weekends) to work sundays even though my working days were mon-fri and i stated before i accepted the job that i couldnt do weekends cos of the kids and hourly buses

it does nark me when those go on about single parents sponging etc, not all CHOOSE to be single parents, life changes happen to all and not always for the better
banned#37
its also a real shame that some people think it is only folk with families that are entiteld to tax credits, it also interests me how grx is going to know which interviewers are going to be claiming anything?
#38
sassie
but surely if your staff arent covering the work then you should employ more staff, why should staff have to do overtime if they dont wish to, whether their getting tax credits or not, overtime is overtime not the hours you signed up to do


If you were reading my posts properly then you would have read that my companys recruitment process leaves a lot to be desired. Please don't jump in with both feet without reading.

Anyway, people should be prepared to work hard for any company that employs them - have a bit of pride and don't just take, take, take. It's this very attitude that lets this country down. People simply don't have a decent work ethic these days, yet complain when Poles etc come in and actually DO something instead of expecting everything to get handed to them with little or no effort required.

sassie
its also a real shame that some people think it is only folk with families that are entiteld to tax credits, it also interests me how grx is going to know which interviewers are going to be claiming anything?


Get my name right assie.

Anyway determining claimants isn't rocket science - using gentle questioning it's fairly simple to work it out.
#39
grex9101
If you were reading my posts properly then you would have read that my companys recruitment process leaves a lot to be desired. Please don't jump in with both feet without reading.

Anyway, [COLOR="Red"]people should be prepared to work hard for any company that employs them - have a bit of pride and don't just take, take, take. It's this very attitude that lets this country down. People simply don't have a decent work ethic these days, yet complain when Poles etc come in and actually DO something instead of expecting everything to get handed to them with little or no effort required.[/COLOR]


Get my name right assie.

Anyway determining claimants isn't rocket science - using gentle questioning it's fairly simple to work it out.



some employees have other commitments or responsibilities that prevent overtime etc, jeez we cant win, stay at home on benefit - wrong - work but set hours - wrong

im glad your not my boss :roll:
#40
grex9101;2124871
People a little bit older (with all the experience and lifeskills) won't be getting the jobs I interview for, and that's a shame.
Whilst you're having a rant at folks then, i'll just add this, an attitude like that and, if publicly proved will get you a nice visit from the Equal Opportunities Commission, since you cannot under UK Employment Law discriminate under grounds of Age (amongst other's) and your comment infers that you would.........some jobs are exempt from this mind, i will correct my comment before someone else does

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