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marshallka Avatar
8y, 11m agoPosted 8 years, 11 months ago
I am a smoker and have been pretty much all my adult life. I have been iffing and arring about giving up recently due to the fact there is a big stigma about smoking now. (its not that i feel unfit by smoking and otherwise live a very healthy life) I began to think that smokers were a "drain " on the NHS and then after googling it today saw that smokers actually raise 3 times more (or more than that) in taxes for this country than they actually cost the NHS so where is that money going to come from if everyone gave up. I did not know this until today and actually its made me feel less guilty for smoking if anything. I have always thought that obesity and alcohol are just as bad.
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8y, 11m agoPosted 8 years, 11 months ago
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#1
I began to think that smokers were a "drain " on the NHS and then after googling it today saw that smokers actually raise 3 times more (or more than that) in taxes for this country than they actually cost the NHS so where is that money going to come from if everyone gave up.


Well there's your incentive to give up. Seriously, those that don't smoke will hassle you forever while you do, so give up. Then let them cry into their half pints of lager that have just cost them £10 a pop thanks to the rise in taxes:thumbsup:
#2
Shengis
Well there's your incentive to give up. Seriously, those that don't smoke will hassle you forever while you do, so give up. Then let them cry into their half pints of lager that have just cost them £10 a pop thanks to the rise in taxes:thumbsup:


I think its already happening in rising food prices and fuel prices and gas and electric. Everyone will be crying in years to come about moaning when things cost so much more and everyone gets stress related illnesses.:)
#3
Addicts subconsciously rationalise their addiction in ever more ingenious ways. The national income and government tax take will not change - cigarette purchases will be replaced by other things and tax rates adjusted to feed the government's insatiable appetite.

You don't just risk your own health (your prerogative but potentially painful for yourself and your family). More importantly your support for the tobacco industry influences younger people and prolongs their sick grasp of the poor and vulnerable.

BTW patches are the cleverest invention of the tobacco industry - they can maintain their financial hold and your addiction.
#4
Bertt
Addicts subconsciously rationalise their addiction in ever more ingenious ways. The national income and government tax take will not change - cigarette purchases will be replaced by other things and tax rates adjusted to feed the government's insatiable appetite.

You don't just risk your own health (your prerogative but potentially painful for yourself and your family). More importantly your support for the tobacco industry influences younger people and prolongs their sick grasp of the poor and vulnerable.

BTW patches are the cleverest invention of the tobacco industry - they can maintain their financial hold and your addiction.


How do these poor people afford fags, that's what i'd like to know. As for the patches, there's a clever move. Market nicotine as a medicine and make it socially acceptable (and profitable if course).

By the way, I don't subconsciously rationalise my smoking, i'm just anti social:thumbsup:
#5
I've never smoked in my life and I'm certainly glad there's been a ban on smoking in public buildings - it's made going to the pub & restaurants a lot more pleasurable for me & my family.

However ... I do think smokers are given a disproportionate amount of blame for everything. Alcohol has got to cost the country far more in health costs, social costs, policing costs, court costs etc than all the smokers in the world.

Ask any police officer what fuels most of the violent crime in our towns & cities and they won't say cigarettes, go to any A&E dept in the county late at night and the place isn't full of smokers who've "had a cigarette to many", or go to any domestic abuse situation and the the wife won't have had her face kicked in because her husband has come home late from the tobacconists, or I've never heard of an unwanted pregnancy because some girl had a cigarette and did something she regretted, or walk through any city centre late at night and you don't get intimidating gangs of lads jeering because they are tanked-up on cigs!

A lot of this countries social ills are caused or at least exasperated by alcohol. But smokers are an easy target because they are in a minority. Most people can't condemn alcohol misuse coz it would render the a majority of the population as hypocrites. Marshallka, smoke away as far as I'm concerned - but cut down on your drinking!!

Right ... I'll get off my soap-box now!
#6
marshallka
I began to think that smokers were a "drain " on the NHS and then after googling it today saw that smokers actually raise 3 times more (or more than that) in taxes for this country than they actually cost the NHS so where is that money going to come from if everyone gave up.


How was that figure worked out though?

For example, does it include the fact that if you die young through smoking related illnesses, or are unable to work, you are no longer paying your normal taxes both directly and indirectly (e.g. V.A.T. etc.)?

Does it include the fact that if you are unable to work due to smoking related illneses, you will be costing the Government in terms of the Benefits you will be drawing?

Figures can be massaged and spun from both sides. The most important thing to consider is your own health and wellbeing, and the health and wellbeing of others through both passive smoking, and as Bertt says, the continuation of the tobacco industry.
#7
nightswimmer
How was that figure worked out though?

For example, does it include the fact that if you die young through smoking related illnesses, or are unable to work, you are no longer paying your normal taxes both directly and indirectly (e.g. V.A.T. etc.)?

Does it include the fact that if you are unable to work due to smoking related illneses, you will be costing the Government in terms of the Benefits you will be drawing?

Figures can be massaged and spun from both sides. The most important thing to consider is your own health and wellbeing, and the health and wellbeing of others through both passive smoking, and as Bertt says, the continuation of the tobacco industry.


I have just looked at the revenue raised by smokers and the cost of the smoking related illnesses cost to the nhs. I realise its not an exact figure but its not what the govenment actually put across in all their campaigns. I realise smoking can be harmful but so can alot of other things . Alcohol on the whole costs the country far more money. I used to drink but gave up a long time ago. I am not teetotal and will have the odd one a couple of times a year but i have seen the devistation that drinking can cause on a family.

I would not encourage young people to smoke but then again if they do and they choose it it is their choice. Young people know far more about smoking than we did when we were young. They have a choice and its an informed choice too. it is addictive and any addiction is bad. Where will the extra money that the govenment lose through the revenue on cigarattes come from. That was my original question.

I have never lost any days work due to smoking and related to smoking. I have had the odd hang over years ago where i could not get up though.
#8
marshallka
Young people know far more about smoking than we did when we were young. They have a choice and its an informed choice too. it is addictive and any addiction is bad. Where will the extra money that the govenment lose through the revenue on cigarattes come from.


Sorry if my answer wasn't clear.

The point I was making was that the Government will get that money back through other means. If no one smokes, then there will be no smoking related illnesses. Not only will this reduce the cost to the NHS, but the government will get more taxes back through people working for longer and paying their taxes, and those same people going and buying things or doing things that again put tax back into the system.

The same with benefits - no smoking, nobody claiming benefits for smoking related illnesses, so again that money can be transfered to something else.

NICE estimate that businesses lose about 133 hours per year, per employee due to smoking. That costs businesses a lot of money (approx. £5 billion in lost productivity, absenteeism and fire damage), and what costs businesses money, costs the government money both in terms of tax and in terms of economic growth. So again, if there were no smokers, the Government would be getting more taxes through other means to meet the shortfall.

On top of that, if people give up smoking, they will have more money to spend on other things, which will again put some tax back into the system.

As for alcohol, I'm in full agreement. :)
#9
nightswimmer
Sorry if my answer wasn't clear.

The point I was making was that the Government will get that money back through other means. If no one smokes, then there will be no smoking related illnesses. Not only will this reduce the cost to the NHS, but the government will get more taxes back through people working for longer and paying their taxes, and those same people going and buying things or doing things that again put tax back into the system.

The same with benefits - no smoking, nobody claiming benefits for smoking related illnesses, so again that money can be transfered to something else.

NICE estimate that businesses lose about 133 hours per year, per employee due to smoking. That costs businesses a lot of money, and what costs businesses money, costs the government money both in terms of tax and in terms of growth. So again, if there were no smokers, the Government would be getting more taxes through other means to meet the shortfall.

As for alcohol, I'm in full agreement. :)



I think what NICE estimates is total bull. Its just that every illness is put down to smoking. We have a doctor at our docs who is notorious for putting everything anyone goes with down to smoking related. We always say if you turned up with your leg in a bin bag after having it severed off when crossing the road he'd swear you were lighting up when you were crossing and put it down to smoking.:)
banned#10
So that explains the current £8,000,000,000 blackhole in the forecast tax income for 07-08. Its going to be intersting to see where Darling raises taxes in April to fill this void. I reckon it will be on aviation duty and insurance premium tax but what do I know.
#11
marshallka
I think what NICE estimates is total bull. Its just that every illness is put down to smoking. We have a doctor at our docs who is notorious for putting everything anyone goes with down to smoking related. We always say if you turned up with your leg in a bin bag after having it severed off when crossing the road he'd swear you were lighting up when you were crossing and put it down to smoking.:)


Not every illness, I'm overweight and have had the same experience with doctors putting everything down to being weight related. :roll: I remember one time when I was a teenager, nearly the whole of my class went down with a bad flu yet when I went to my doctor he insisted that the only reason I got it was because I was overweight. :x

I hate the way the Govenment stigmatises these things, and it's horrible when your on the end of it, that's why i say the most imprtant thing is how you feel about it. At the end of the day you will have more success in giving up because it is something you want to do for yourself than you will if it is something you feel you have to do/are being made to do for someone else.
#12
nightswimmer
Not every illness, I'm overweight and have had the same experience with doctors putting everything down to being weight related. :roll: I remember one time when I was a teenager, nearly the whole of my class went down with a bad flu yet when I went to my doctor he insisted that the only reason I got it was because I was overweight. :x


Poor you. You know what its like then to be a victim. Live and let live was always my motto but i find myself increasingly joining in debates for my rights and then putting arguments to the forefront that don't REALLY bother me (like obesity for instance) just to make my bad habit seem better than someone elses. I feel like our government are getting little hitlers in that they want a race that is a certain size, eats a certain diet and doing a certain thing. A race of robots really. They keep on about brain food and learning and having our own opinions but then when we do they say to us that its wrong, you deserve to be left to die. I am so confused.:?
#13
marshallka
Poor you. You know what its like then to be a victim. Live and let live was always my motto but i find myself increasingly joining in debates for my rights and then putting arguments to the forefront that don't REALLY bother me (like obesity for instance) just to make my bad habit seem better than someone elses. I feel like our government are getting little hitlers in that they want a race that is a certain size, eats a certain diet and doing a certain thing. A race of robots really. They keep on about brain food and learning and having our own opinions but then when we do they say to us that its wrong, you deserve to be left to die. I am so confused.


It's the old tactic of divide and rule. By creating bad guys it gives people someone to blame, which in turn makes people happy and stops them from seeing the bigger picture. That's why you see loads of headlines about benefit fraud but very little said about the large amount of Benefit money that hasn't been paid out to genuine claiments. You hear day after day lots about how much the obese, alcoholics and smokers are costing the NHS, but the billions and billions of pounds wasted on Government IT Projects makes the news for a day or two before disapearing into the ether, and so the list goes on.

It makes for great headlines, which is exactly what our sensatinalist media demands, and is perfect for our current govermental system, where the parties are more concerned with getting votes with headline grabbing policies than running the counrtry, but unfortunately it isn't going to solve things in the long term or make the world a happier place.
#14
csiman
So that explains the current £8,000,000,000 blackhole in the forecast tax income for 07-08. Its going to be intersting to see where Darling raises taxes in April to fill this void. I reckon it will be on aviation duty and insurance premium tax but what do I know.


and petrol......and alcohol......and road tax......and council tax......
#15
I began to think that smokers were a "drain " on the NHS and then after googling it today saw that smokers actually raise 3 times more (or more than that) in taxes for this country than they actually cost the NHS so where is that money going to come from if everyone gave up.

Imagine if guns were legal here as in some parts of USA. Would it be ok to shoot other people because the taxes raised by purchasing guns would help towards funding the NHS? I'm not trying to be offensive, but smokers stink, they make my clothes stink and the fumes they breathe out are deadly.
By the way. Isn't it funny that you usually see smokers in cars with the windows slightly down to get fresh air! If smoking was so great should they not keep the windows sealed to the all smokers paid for?
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#16
Bertt

BTW patches are the cleverest invention of the tobacco industry - they can maintain their financial hold and your addiction.

Are you suggesting that tobacco companies have a financial stake in those companies producing quit-smoking nicotine products?
I stopped smoking by using patches for 3 weeks . I found them very effective.

Nightswimmer - agreeing with you.:thumbsup:

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