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banned2y, 2m agoPosted 2 years, 2 months ago
It was great to see today that Nestle is paying 'the living wage' to all it's employees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28082787

If all companies agreed to do this it would reduce the 'life of benefits' culture we have. Don't come back to me saying companies can't afford to pay it because they can, here are some that do pay it already.

http://www.livingwage.org.uk/employers

The living wage is about paying an amount that is respectful without top up from the State and allows a reasonable standard of life it's not about making people rich.

If you are a company that needs staff in order to operate and make a profit you should pay enough that those workers can support themselves properly.
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banned2y, 2m agoPosted 2 years, 2 months ago
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Oh I'm not trolling I think if you work you shouldn't need the Government to top up your wage because it's not enough to live on.

The system we have now allows business to make profit whilst the Government subsidises their wage bill. If we cant get it right in the sixth largest economy it's a pretty poor job.

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what would your definition of a reasonable standard of life be?

Just opening a can of worms for you........................




;)
banned 1 Like #2
FearTheBassPlayer
what would your definition of a reasonable standard of life be?

Just opening a can of worms for you........................




;)

The living wage is based on the amount an individual needs to earn to cover the basic costs of living.

Completely outrageous?
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toshapetriji
FearTheBassPlayer
what would your definition of a reasonable standard of life be?

Just opening a can of worms for you........................




;)

The living wage is based on the amount an individual needs to earn to cover the basic costs of living.

Completely outrageous?

What I am getting at is that there will be different definitions of what are the basic costs of living. For example, you have stated basic costs of living now, and reasonable standard of life in the OP. I would argue that a holiday is not included in the basic costs of living, whereas I would include it in a definition of a reasonable standard of life.

Do you get my point now?

It is either a very naive post to make, or an attempt to troll.

Sorry, but thats they way I see it - you know as well as I do how Misc works. This is on the same level as starting a thread about religion or benefits.
banned 12 Likes #4
Oh I'm not trolling I think if you work you shouldn't need the Government to top up your wage because it's not enough to live on.

The system we have now allows business to make profit whilst the Government subsidises their wage bill. If we cant get it right in the sixth largest economy it's a pretty poor job.
#5
toshapetriji
Oh I'm not trolling I think if you work you shouldn't need the Government to top up your wage because it's not enough to live on.

The system we have now allows business to make profit whilst the Government subsidises their wage bill. If we cant get it right in the sixth largest economy it's a pretty poor job.
What's wrong with the government topping up wages? Welfare is the government's responsibility, it isn't the responsibility of employers. Unless you're stuck in the 19th century before the idea of the welfare state.
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Heres the thing, the more people who earn more means the prices at the bottom just go up more. The UK is a pyramid system and there are always going to be people at the bottom.

No matter how much they get paid at the bottom, that increase will effect values of products and services, and push salaries up in the people above them. They will really, long term be in the same position just with a higher value next to their income, which in real terms in the long term will be meaningless!

Edited By: groenleader on Jun 30, 2014 09:20
banned#7
groenleader
Heres the thing, the more people who earn more means the prices at the bottom just go up more. The UK is a pyramid system and there are always going to be people at the bottom.

No matter how much they get paid at the bottom, that increase will effect values of products and services, and push salaries up in the people above them. They will really, long term be in the same position just with a higher value next to their income, which in real terms in the long term will be meaningless!



Banged the nail right in there.
#8
The question is how many full-time jobs are being replaced by part-time ones or scrapped altogether in order to hit the target £/h?
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Rubisco
toshapetriji
Oh I'm not trolling I think if you work you shouldn't need the Government to top up your wage because it's not enough to live on.

The system we have now allows business to make profit whilst the Government subsidises their wage bill. If we cant get it right in the sixth largest economy it's a pretty poor job.
What's wrong with the government topping up wages? Welfare is the government's responsibility, it isn't the responsibility of employers. Unless you're stuck in the 19th century before the idea of the welfare state.

So it's the tax payers responsibility to line fat cat bosses with bigger bonuses and higher salaries whilst the poor struggle to survive on "topped up" wages

London has more billionaires than any other capital and it's down to everyday tax payers

Edited By: philphil61 on Jun 30, 2014 12:06
banned 1 Like #10
nestle made about £7 billion last year and the best they can do is give 800 people a £50 a week pay rise by the end of 2017 :|
#11
philphil61
Rubisco
toshapetriji
Oh I'm not trolling I think if you work you shouldn't need the Government to top up your wage because it's not enough to live on. The system we have now allows business to make profit whilst the Government subsidises their wage bill. If we cant get it right in the sixth largest economy it's a pretty poor job.
What's wrong with the government topping up wages? Welfare is the government's responsibility, it isn't the responsibility of employers. Unless you're stuck in the 19th century before the idea of the welfare state.
So it's the tax payers responsibility to line fat cat bosses with bigger bonuses and higher salaries whilst the poor struggle to survive on "topped up" wagesLondon has more billionaires than any other capital and it's down to everyday tax payers

does the UK have generous tax breaks for billionaires? i read that report to which you are alluding(more billionaires) and it seems that the billionaires are from outside(Arab,Russian,China,India)

at the end of the day phil, if people can get about not paying tax legally, or as little as possible, they will do. unfortunately, this option is only available by paying people a lot of money to save even more money. Its all about ethics but then if the government allows this happen on the sly.
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The only thing I'd be impressed with would be if people such as bankers in high places, just because they know people or are from a wealthy family, got this sort of wage.

I'd love to be able to turn up in the House of Commons and log myself back out minutes later and claim hundreds of pounds each day. Imagine what would happen if a working-class person did this? No doubt there would be punitive sanctions. What happens when a member of the political elite does it? They're already on a wage that's more than double that of the national average.

Well done Nestle but the whole focusing on the 'living wage' thing is nonsense. What's good for one person is not good for another. The focus needs to be shifted onto the powerful; it's them who need dissecting. Expense fiddlers are faced with hardly any sanctions whereas those working-class people who engage in stupid activities, such as stealing £3.50 worth of water from Lidl during the August 2011 riots, are imprisoned for six months. Things such as this become forgotten when headlines like this are released.

Oh and MP's wages rose by 11% - for what?


Edited By: rikkif1990 on Jun 30, 2014 12:49: .
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EN1GMA
philphil61
Rubisco
toshapetriji
Oh I'm not trolling I think if you work you shouldn't need the Government to top up your wage because it's not enough to live on. The system we have now allows business to make profit whilst the Government subsidises their wage bill. If we cant get it right in the sixth largest economy it's a pretty poor job.
What's wrong with the government topping up wages? Welfare is the government's responsibility, it isn't the responsibility of employers. Unless you're stuck in the 19th century before the idea of the welfare state.
So it's the tax payers responsibility to line fat cat bosses with bigger bonuses and higher salaries whilst the poor struggle to survive on "topped up" wagesLondon has more billionaires than any other capital and it's down to everyday tax payers

does the UK have generous tax breaks for billionaires? i read that report to which you are alluding(more billionaires) and it seems that the billionaires are from outside(Arab,Russian,China,India)

at the end of the day phil, if people can get about not paying tax legally, or as little as possible, they will do. unfortunately, this option is only available by paying people a lot of money to save even more money. Its all about ethics but then if the government allows this happen on the sly.

We (the common people" (well most of us) all know the politicians will not tighten the tax breaks because some of them fall into the same criteria for tax breaks and also have "outside interests" and backhanders. Yes we should tighten these flaws in our tax system and also make sure that companies who make a profit and pay bonuses to management are not allowed to pay employees minimum wage in this situation. Why should everyday tax payers topup the minimum wage salaries when a company returns a profit and pays big bonuses.
banned 1 Like #14
tbf the more money you give most people the more money they waste buying junk they don't need which they find on this website
banned#15
groenleader
Heres the thing, the more people who earn more means the prices at the bottom just go up more. The UK is a pyramid system and there are always going to be people at the bottom.

No matter how much they get paid at the bottom, that increase will effect values of products and services, and push salaries up in the people above them. They will really, long term be in the same position just with a higher value next to their income, which in real terms in the long term will be meaningless!

This argument has been used before and it is utter rubbish.

The people at the bottom still get the money, only they get it from the government not their employer.

If you work 40 hours a week you should have enough money to support yourself it's a basic human right. If they were paid enough the Government would not have the liability.

In the past we were told you couldn't have holiday pay because companies couldn't afford it. Then we were told Maternity pay was unaffordable after that it was paternity pay. Oh then there was sick pay that would bankrupt companies. It's all rubbish.
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toshapetriji
groenleader
Heres the thing, the more people who earn more means the prices at the bottom just go up more. The UK is a pyramid system and there are always going to be people at the bottom.

No matter how much they get paid at the bottom, that increase will effect values of products and services, and push salaries up in the people above them. They will really, long term be in the same position just with a higher value next to their income, which in real terms in the long term will be meaningless!

This argument has been used before and it is utter rubbish.

The people at the bottom still get the money, only they get it from the government not their employer.

If you work 40 hours a week you should have enough money to support yourself it's a basic human right. If they were paid enough the Government would not have the liability.

In the past we were told you couldn't have holiday pay because companies couldn't afford it. Then we were told Maternity pay was unaffordable after that it was paternity pay. Oh then there was sick pay that would bankrupt companies. It's all rubbish.

Are you on the blob? ;)
banned#17
toshapetriji
groenleader
Heres the thing, the more people who earn more means the prices at the bottom just go up more. The UK is a pyramid system and there are always going to be people at the bottom.

No matter how much they get paid at the bottom, that increase will effect values of products and services, and push salaries up in the people above them. They will really, long term be in the same position just with a higher value next to their income, which in real terms in the long term will be meaningless!

This argument has been used before and it is utter rubbish.

The people at the bottom still get the money, only they get it from the government not their employer.

If you work 40 hours a week you should have enough money to support yourself it's a basic human right. If they were paid enough the Government would not have the liability.

In the past we were told you couldn't have holiday pay because companies couldn't afford it. Then we were told Maternity pay was unaffordable after that it was paternity pay. Oh then there was sick pay that would bankrupt companies. It's all rubbish.

so what is your reason for so many companies going bust, do you feel if they paid more in wages they would still be running?
banned#18
whatsThePoint
toshapetriji
groenleader
Heres the thing, the more people who earn more means the prices at the bottom just go up more. The UK is a pyramid system and there are always going to be people at the bottom.

No matter how much they get paid at the bottom, that increase will effect values of products and services, and push salaries up in the people above them. They will really, long term be in the same position just with a higher value next to their income, which in real terms in the long term will be meaningless!

This argument has been used before and it is utter rubbish.

The people at the bottom still get the money, only they get it from the government not their employer.

If you work 40 hours a week you should have enough money to support yourself it's a basic human right. If they were paid enough the Government would not have the liability.

In the past we were told you couldn't have holiday pay because companies couldn't afford it. Then we were told Maternity pay was unaffordable after that it was paternity pay. Oh then there was sick pay that would bankrupt companies. It's all rubbish.

so what is your reason for so many companies going bust, do you feel if they paid more in wages they would still be running?

There are many reasons companies go bust.

I take it you would like to abolish the minimum wage maternity pay and sick pay to allow more companies to survive?
banned#19
toshapetriji
whatsThePoint
toshapetriji
groenleader
Heres the thing, the more people who earn more means the prices at the bottom just go up more. The UK is a pyramid system and there are always going to be people at the bottom.

No matter how much they get paid at the bottom, that increase will effect values of products and services, and push salaries up in the people above them. They will really, long term be in the same position just with a higher value next to their income, which in real terms in the long term will be meaningless!

This argument has been used before and it is utter rubbish.

The people at the bottom still get the money, only they get it from the government not their employer.

If you work 40 hours a week you should have enough money to support yourself it's a basic human right. If they were paid enough the Government would not have the liability.

In the past we were told you couldn't have holiday pay because companies couldn't afford it. Then we were told Maternity pay was unaffordable after that it was paternity pay. Oh then there was sick pay that would bankrupt companies. It's all rubbish.

so what is your reason for so many companies going bust, do you feel if they paid more in wages they would still be running?

There are many reasons companies go bust.

I take it you would like to abolish the minimum wage maternity pay and sick pay to allow more companies to survive?

so you feel paying more wouldn't of saved any company from going bust, that's all i wanted to know
banned#20
Oh yeah Nestle, that wonderful earth loving company.

http://eepdesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/nestle.jpg
banned#21
whatsThePoint
toshapetriji
whatsThePoint
toshapetriji
groenleader
Heres the thing, the more people who earn more means the prices at the bottom just go up more. The UK is a pyramid system and there are always going to be people at the bottom.

No matter how much they get paid at the bottom, that increase will effect values of products and services, and push salaries up in the people above them. They will really, long term be in the same position just with a higher value next to their income, which in real terms in the long term will be meaningless!

This argument has been used before and it is utter rubbish.

The people at the bottom still get the money, only they get it from the government not their employer.

If you work 40 hours a week you should have enough money to support yourself it's a basic human right. If they were paid enough the Government would not have the liability.

In the past we were told you couldn't have holiday pay because companies couldn't afford it. Then we were told Maternity pay was unaffordable after that it was paternity pay. Oh then there was sick pay that would bankrupt companies. It's all rubbish.

so what is your reason for so many companies going bust, do you feel if they paid more in wages they would still be running?

There are many reasons companies go bust.

I take it you would like to abolish the minimum wage maternity pay and sick pay to allow more companies to survive?

so you feel paying more wouldn't of saved any company from going bust, that's all i wanted to know

I have no idea unless you can be more specific, I have no idea who you refer too.

Are you saying they should have been allowed to stop paying the minimum wage and maternity pay,, sick pay until they were in a better shape?
banned#22
ewwaxo
Oh yeah Nestle, that wonderful earth loving company.

http://eepdesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/nestle.jpg

Like most organisations you will find good and bad, shouldn't you be out pushing the good news from ME?
#23
we live is a capitalist society toshape...i agree with your sentiments but in the end its about the ££££$$$$$$$$$
banned#24
toshapetriji
ewwaxo
Oh yeah Nestle, that wonderful earth loving company.

http://eepdesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/nestle.jpg

Like most organisations you will find good and bad, shouldn't you be out pushing the good news from ME?

no need to continue, you've made it clear paying more wouldn't of changed a thing
banned 1 Like #25
whatsThePoint
toshapetriji
ewwaxo
Oh yeah Nestle, that wonderful earth loving company.

http://eepdesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/nestle.jpg

Like most organisations you will find good and bad, shouldn't you be out pushing the good news from ME?

no need to continue, you've made it clear paying more wouldn't of changed a thing

Gawd you cave in quick.
banned#26
EN1GMA
we live is a capitalist society toshape...i agree with your sentiments but in the end its about the ££££$$$$$$$$$

The capitalist system is designed to increase the divide, or rather increase the distance between those at the top of the pyramid and those at the bottom.
banned#27
toshapetriji
whatsThePoint
toshapetriji
ewwaxo
Oh yeah Nestle, that wonderful earth loving company.

http://eepdesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/nestle.jpg

Like most organisations you will find good and bad, shouldn't you be out pushing the good news from ME?

no need to continue, you've made it clear paying more wouldn't of changed a thing

Gawd you cave in quick.

it was easy as you gave a clear answer that paying more wouldn't of helped, did you expect me to argue that it would X)
banned#28
toshapetriji
ewwaxo
Oh yeah Nestle, that wonderful earth loving company.

http://eepdesign.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/nestle.jpg

Like most organisations you will find good and bad, shouldn't you be out pushing the good news from ME?

My point was it's all about image. the BBC article is just pushing good PR, to sell a few more Kit Kats.
1 Like #29
toshape, what about we(UK,western nations) who dont mind consuming goods made in places like China,India,Bangladesh etc. we want people to be paid a fair wage here yet have no issues in goods being made by people who get paid peanuts,sometimes probably literally..
banned 2 Likes #30
ewwaxo
EN1GMA
we live is a capitalist society toshape...i agree with your sentiments but in the end its about the ££££$$$$$$$$$

The capitalist system is designed to increase the divide, or rather increase the distance between those at the top of the pyramid and those at the bottom.

Yes I agree, and I don't think it's right. When 'S' hits the fan it's the poor of this country called upon to sacrifice themselves to put it right. Whether you refer to wars or economic depressions it's the poor that pay.
banned#31
EN1GMA
toshape, what about we(UK,western nations) who dont mind consuming goods made in places like China,India,Bangladesh etc. we want people to be paid a fair wage here yet have no issues in goods being made by people who get paid peanuts,sometimes probably literally..

inb4 it's their problem.
banned#32
EN1GMA
toshape, what about we(UK,western nations) who dont mind consuming goods made in places like China,India,Bangladesh etc. we want people to be paid a fair wage here yet have no issues in goods being made by people who get paid peanuts,sometimes probably literally..

Often the costs are not obvious but the 'fair trade' movement shows that often when the production process is understood people are prepared to pay more to ensure workers are not abused.
banned#33
toshapetriji
ewwaxo
EN1GMA
we live is a capitalist society toshape...i agree with your sentiments but in the end its about the ££££$$$$$$$$$

The capitalist system is designed to increase the divide, or rather increase the distance between those at the top of the pyramid and those at the bottom.

Yes I agree, and I don't think it's right. When 'S' hits the fan it's the poor of this country called upon to sacrifice themselves to put it right. Whether you refer to wars or economic depressions it's the poor that pay.

So the system is fundamentally wrong, therefore no matter how many interim fixes you apply, it will always break down somehow. It's the nature of the system that's the problem..

Edited By: ewwaxo on Jun 30, 2014 14:25
1 Like #34
whatsThePoint

so you feel

:|
banned 1 Like #35
deeky
whatsThePoint

so you feel

:|

so what happened was, as i writing it i thought about what you said but as i haven't seen you online today i thought i'd get away with it :p
banned#36
deeky
whatsThePoint

so you feel

:|

We love you deeky :x
#37
toshapetriji
ewwaxo
EN1GMA
we live is a capitalist society toshape...i agree with your sentiments but in the end its about the ££££$$$$$$$$$
The capitalist system is designed to increase the divide, or rather increase the distance between those at the top of the pyramid and those at the bottom.
Yes I agree, and I don't think it's right. When 'S' hits the fan it's the poor of this country called upon to sacrifice themselves to put it right. Whether you refer to wars or economic depressions it's the poor that pay.

You sure you're a Tory?? :p
banned#38
EN1GMA
toshapetriji
ewwaxo
EN1GMA
we live is a capitalist society toshape...i agree with your sentiments but in the end its about the ££££$$$$$$$$$
The capitalist system is designed to increase the divide, or rather increase the distance between those at the top of the pyramid and those at the bottom.
Yes I agree, and I don't think it's right. When 'S' hits the fan it's the poor of this country called upon to sacrifice themselves to put it right. Whether you refer to wars or economic depressions it's the poor that pay.

You sure you're a Tory?? :p

No I'm not a Tory.
4 Likes #39
Can't believe people are arguing in this thread, Nestlé paying the Living Wage can only be seen as a good thing. Good on them.
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Transformers
Can't believe people are arguing in this thread, Nestlé paying the Living Wage can only be seen as a good thing. Good on them.

I agree x

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