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The National Minimum wage rate goes up tomorrrow!

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From 1 October 2010 new rates and age bands will apply. £5.93 - the rate for workers aged 21 and over £4.92 - the 18-20 rate £3.64 - the 16-17 rate New minimum wage of £2.50 per …
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banned6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
From 1 October 2010 new rates and age bands will apply.

£5.93 - the rate for workers aged 21 and over

£4.92 - the 18-20 rate

£3.64 - the 16-17 rate

New minimum wage of £2.50 per hour for apprentices who are either under 19 or in the first year of their apprenticeship
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banned6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
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3 Likes #1
Congrats DLM... Well done on your achievements.
#2
lol, and no jobs out there.......

anywho it'll be alright for you this xmas then


Edited By: Alfonse on Sep 30, 2010 13:29: lol
#3
You must be rollin' in it now DLM.
1 Like #4
Quiet day at M&S DLM?
#5
i'd still employ an illegal immigrant....no dental plan
[mod] 2 Likes #6
Those hourly rates are still appalling.
#7
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.


yes they are, my lad starts a part time job next week, whilst he's studying at 6th form & he's 17.
banned#8
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.


totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked
banned 1 Like #9
sassie
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.


totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked


LOL.

Unbelievable.
banned#10
wow not even a minute
[mod]#11
sassie
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.


totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked


Exactly. Then take off 19/20% tax (dependant on bands etc) and that knocks a chunk off.
#12
sassie
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.
totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked

I think the vital point you're missing is that it's based on a little more than your actual age. You're looking at it a bit too literally.
banned#13
baffledsalmon
sassie
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.
totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked


I think the vital point you're missing is that it's based on a little more than your actual age. You're looking at it a bit too literally.


care to share what else its based on?
#14
sassie
baffledsalmon
sassie
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.
totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked
I think the vital point you're missing is that it's based on a little more than your actual age. You're looking at it a bit too literally.
care to share what else its based on?

Si, no problemo.
I'm no expert but for starters, how many children do you know that live at home at 16? How many do you know that live at home at 22? I don't know anyone over the age of 19 who hasn't moved out and gone to uni, therefore they need to support themselves (rent, bills) if they work.
Have they already been working and therefore contributed to society?
They're not entitled to the same benefits as younger people are?
They are able to undertake more responsbility (ie people under 21 cannot be insured under company insurance policies the majority of the time)?
ETC ETC ETC.

Edited By: baffledsalmon on Sep 30, 2010 14:03: Editing, obviously.
#15
baffledsalmon
sassie
baffledsalmon
sassie
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.
totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked
I think the vital point you're missing is that it's based on a little more than your actual age. You're looking at it a bit too literally.
care to share what else its based on?
Si, no problemo.I'm no expert but for starters, how many children do you know that live at home at 16? How many do you know that live at home at 22? I don't know anyone over the age of 19 who hasn't moved out and gone to uni, therefore they need to support themselves (rent, bills) if they work.Have they already been working and therefore contributed to society?They're not entitled to the same benefits as younger people are?ETC ETC ETC.

All you have done there is elaborate on how it is entirely based on age, well done.
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kungfu
baffledsalmon
sassie
baffledsalmon
sassie
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.
totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked
I think the vital point you're missing is that it's based on a little more than your actual age. You're looking at it a bit too literally.
care to share what else its based on?
Si, no problemo.I'm no expert but for starters, how many children do you know that live at home at 16? How many do you know that live at home at 22? I don't know anyone over the age of 19 who hasn't moved out and gone to uni, therefore they need to support themselves (rent, bills) if they work.Have they already been working and therefore contributed to society?They're not entitled to the same benefits as younger people are?ETC ETC ETC.


All you have done there is elaborate on how it is entirely based on age, well done.


Exactly what I was thinking...
#17
kungfu
baffledsalmon
sassie
baffledsalmon
sassie
magicjay1986
Those hourly rates are still appalling.
totally agree, hence why so many people are claiming tax credits, because it isnt enough to live on, and why your age makes a difference is beyond me when you are doing the same job, you cant even say its because a 17 yr old is training to do a job because a 22yr old could be doing the same if never worked
I think the vital point you're missing is that it's based on a little more than your actual age. You're looking at it a bit too literally.
care to share what else its based on?
Si, no problemo.I'm no expert but for starters, how many children do you know that live at home at 16? How many do you know that live at home at 22? I don't know anyone over the age of 19 who hasn't moved out and gone to uni, therefore they need to support themselves (rent, bills) if they work.Have they already been working and therefore contributed to society?They're not entitled to the same benefits as younger people are?ETC ETC ETC.
All you have done there is elaborate on how it is entirely based on age, well done.

You have misunderstood. I'm saying it's not based on age as a NUMBER. It's not like someone's gone "well a 16 year old isn't as good as a 25 year old so we'll pay them less"... there is reasoning behind it.
banned#18
sorry baffledsalmon then surely by your post, 19yr olds need as much money as over 21yr olds, as for working and contributing to society what has that got to do with how much a wage you need? younger people arent enttitled to benefits, well not unless under extreme circumstances, certainly not if they loie at home
2 Likes #19
Salmon you ought to be on "How the other half live" clueless.

Edited By: deb8z on Sep 30, 2010 14:07: oops
#20
sassie
sorry baffledsalmon then surely by your post, 19yr olds need as much money as over 21yr olds, as for working and contributing to society what has that got to do with how much a wage you need? younger people arent enttitled to benefits, well not unless under extreme circumstances, certainly not if they loie at home

Well then maybe they should rethink the system for those between 18 and 21, but a 16 year old certainly doesn't need as much as a 22 year old! I don't know any 16 year olds who don't live at home (not saying it doesn't happen) and therefore they don't have to pay rent or bills, hence all the money they earn is their own!
1 Like #21
If you don't like the rates do something about it. :/
banned#22
baffledsalmon


Well then maybe they should rethink the system for those between 18 and 21, but a 16 year old certainly doesn't need as much as a 22 year old! I don't know any 16 year olds who don't live at home (not saying it doesn't happen) and therefore they don't have to pay rent or bills, hence all the money they earn is their own!


why shouldnt two people doing the same job earn the same amount, this is purely about age, and naff all to do with anything else
#23
part of the age system is based on encouraging younger people to stay in education
#24
Wotwot123
If you don't like the rates do something about it. :/


easier said than done
#25
sassie
baffledsalmon
Well then maybe they should rethink the system for those between 18 and 21, but a 16 year old certainly doesn't need as much as a 22 year old! I don't know any 16 year olds who don't live at home (not saying it doesn't happen) and therefore they don't have to pay rent or bills, hence all the money they earn is their own!
why shouldnt two people doing the same job earn the same amount, this is purely about age, and naff all to do with anything else

So if you worked and had been doing the same job for 20 years, and someone else who had never done it before came in and started working with you, would you expect them to get the same even though you've got 20 years of experience?
banned 1 Like #26
Wow its like a game of rich vs benefits in here.

*popcorn time*
[mod]#27
baffledsalmon
sassie
sorry baffledsalmon then surely by your post, 19yr olds need as much money as over 21yr olds, as for working and contributing to society what has that got to do with how much a wage you need? younger people arent enttitled to benefits, well not unless under extreme circumstances, certainly not if they loie at home


Well then maybe they should rethink the system for those between 18 and 21, but a 16 year old certainly doesn't need as much as a 22 year old! I don't know any 16 year olds who don't live at home (not saying it doesn't happen) and therefore they don't have to pay rent or bills, hence all the money they earn is their own!


Just because you don't know any 16 year olds that spend, or need, as much as a 22 year old doesn't mean that is the case for everyone. 16 year olds who work have outgoings if their parents decide (quite rightly) that they should pay their own way if they earn enough - clothes, games, mobile credit and general socialising. Different ages attract different outgoings.

What you say is your own opinion and it isn't the same for everyone. Honest.
[mod]#28
roryk83
part of the age system is based on encouraging younger people to stay in education


Very good point. Although, it seems easy to give up education once you have a few ££ in your pocket.
banned#29
baffledsalmon


So if you worked and had been doing the same job for 20 years, and someone else who had never done it before came in and started working with you, would you expect them to get the same even though you've got 20 years of experience?


what about 1 yr experience, what about 2 yrs, what about me starting my 1st job ever at 22 and getting more than the 17 yr old girl who has been there a year
#30
I would also like to point out that even though you got that Supervisors job in McDonalds and are on £5.93 an hour, you only pay a measly £1k a year in tax. However, you'll quite happily be subsidised by Joe Bloggs who earns £60k a year, pays £1k tax a MONTH and pays for his own bills, whilst you're claiming housing benefit, council tax benefit, child benefit and tax credits?
#31
baffledsalmon
sassie
baffledsalmon
Well then maybe they should rethink the system for those between 18 and 21, but a 16 year old certainly doesn't need as much as a 22 year old! I don't know any 16 year olds who don't live at home (not saying it doesn't happen) and therefore they don't have to pay rent or bills, hence all the money they earn is their own!
why shouldnt two people doing the same job earn the same amount, this is purely about age, and naff all to do with anything else
So if you worked and had been doing the same job for 20 years, and someone else who had never done it before came in and started working with you, would you expect them to get the same even though you've got 20 years of experience?

Absolutely! Just cos yoube been there 20 years doesnt mean youre good or efficient at the job, the newbie might come in and learn the job in a day then out perform you!
banned#32
Easy top see why young people don't want to work.
banned#33
baffledsalmon
I would also like to point out that even though you got that Supervisors job in McDonalds and are on £5.93 an hour, you only pay a measly £1k a year in tax. However, you'll quite happily be subsidised by Joe Bloggs who earns £60k a year, pays £1k tax a MONTH and pays for his own bills, whilst you're claiming housing benefit, council tax benefit, child benefit and tax credits?


not sure who this is aimed at, but maybe time to end your discussion
3 Likes #34
my lad who has just turned 17, still in full time education (6th form) as i said in a previous post is starting a part time job, because to be perfectly honest the money tree at the bottom of the garden, is starting to wilt a little, its not producing as many phone top cards, petrol for the moped,tax, insurance etc etc as it used, so time for him to help with some of the things he now requires, which is as much as his idea as ours, it worked for me.

Edited By: richp on Sep 30, 2010 14:19: .
banned 7 Likes #35
VB1 That post above made me laugh ( liked )

I Finally got a job after 22months of being unemployed

Driving a transit and delivering the newspapers in the morning 3am-6.30am Pays pretty well 6 days a week , more hours on the way soon il maybe double my income also :)

Good luck to anyone who is still looking for work, I know its hard still but you will find something eventually :) keep looking and pestering companys for a job

Edited By: dj_urban on Sep 30, 2010 14:21: .
[mod]#36
dj_urban
I Finally got a job after 22months of being unemployed

Driving a transit and delivering the newspapers in the morning 3am-6.30am Pays pretty well 6 days a week , more hours on the way soon il maybe double my income also :)

Good luck to anyone who is still looking for work, I know its hard still but you will find something eventually :) keep looking and pestering companys for a job


Glad you found something.
banned#37
dj_urban
I Finally got a job after 22months of being unemployed

Driving a transit and delivering the newspapers in the morning 3am-6.30am Pays pretty well 6 days a week , more hours on the way soon il maybe double my income also :)

Good luck to anyone who is still looking for work, I know its hard still but you will find something eventually :) keep looking and pestering companys for a job


You have a gorgeous daughter too.

Good luck to you and your little family (_;)
1 Like #38
baffledsalmon
I would also like to point out that even though you got that Supervisors job in McDonalds and are on £5.93 an hour, you only pay a measly £1k a year in tax. However, you'll quite happily be subsidised by Joe Bloggs who earns £60k a year, pays £1k tax a MONTH and pays for his own bills, whilst you're claiming housing benefit, council tax benefit, child benefit and tax credits?


but Joe Bloggs can afford his mortgage payment and bills and still have money to buy himself a rolex.

Miss Josephine Bloggs in McD's whos earning 800 quid a month can barely pay her rent payments and give her kids some food.
banned#39
Thanks DLM :)

Il Maybe post another picture in a month or so in the baby thread ( As long as mods don't mind )
[mod]#40
baffledsalmon
I would also like to point out that even though you got that Supervisors job in McDonalds and are on £5.93 an hour, you only pay a measly £1k a year in tax. However, you'll quite happily be subsidised by Joe Bloggs who earns £60k a year, pays £1k tax a MONTH and pays for his own bills, whilst you're claiming housing benefit, council tax benefit, child benefit and tax credits?


I am sure that £3,475 is an ample sum to live on if you earn £60,000. It would more than cover bills etc and an extravagant lifestyle. £5.93 an hour wouldn't. Another poor example.

There is nothing more frustrating than me having my taxes spent on a student loan for someone who doesn't apply common sense.

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