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There are some scammers around in FS/FT, it seems

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Lots of n00bs selling stuff, some buyers getting scammed. Be careful and follow the guidelines for selling and buying, if something is too cheap think twice. Similarly, if someone is too willing to …
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7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
Lots of n00bs selling stuff, some buyers getting scammed. Be careful and follow the guidelines for selling and buying, if something is too cheap think twice.
Similarly, if someone is too willing to drop their asking as far as you like in double quick time, think twice! These people are out for a quick profit, and £40 in hand is better than holding out for asking.
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7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
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banned#1
if in doubt report to the mods .. seems to me SB is well on top of things

google and ebay are always your mates to check prices
#2
It seems to go in phases,none for ages then loads at once,this is why it is essential for members to report anything even mildly suspicious in order to get it checked out
[admin] 1 Like #3
Cheers for this Scribbles, you're totally right- SB is doing a brilliant job but members need to be vigilant and follow forum guidelines and rules at all times. Protect yourselves in every way possible and if you're in any way suspicious about your potential trade partner, report them so we can check them out.
banned#4
what I find good is the ammount of members who jump in at the first sign of issues or something looks not right.. I still think this medium is the best way to sell, I just wish..
a. people would read the for sale./.trade rules and stick to them and make the calls and do the enquiries.
b. That photos of the items for sale is Mandatory not optional

any further thoughts
#5
dog_cop
what I find good is the ammount of members who jump in at the first sign of issues or something looks not right.. I still think this medium is the best way to sell, I just wish..
a. people would read the for sale./.trade rules and stick to them and make the calls and do the enquiries.
b. That photos of the items for sale is Mandatory not optional

any further thoughts


agreed,with a more expensive item it is always good to check the members past items for sale to see if it has been relisted before as it can show up any inconsistencies and save a lot of problems later.
#6
In general, it seems to be the people skipping procedures feeling the heat.

Paying by gift to save on fee's, really worth the risk? Not getting landline numbers or addresses and confirming..

People just need to be smart, it takes what, maybe 25 mins tops to get and check out details. Heh
#7
easypeel
In general, it seems to be the people skipping procedures feeling the heat.

Paying by gift to save on fee's, really worth the risk? Not getting landline numbers or addresses and confirming..

People just need to be smart, it takes what, maybe 25 mins tops to get and check out details. Heh


lol, 17 posts and you seem to know the rules...... :whistling:
#8
Long time lurker, think my only mistake was forgetting I had an account and attempting to make another and getting an infraction lol. But in general I do know the rules, they aren't all that difficult, majority = common sense.
#9
easypeel
Long time lurker, think my only mistake was forgetting I had an account and attempting to make another and getting an infraction lol. But in general I do know the rules, they aren't all that difficult, majority = common sense.


they seem to be too difficult for some people on here, lol :thumbsup:
#10
Oh does post count make you superior then ?
#11
boothy
agreed,with a more expensive item it is always good to check the members past items for sale to see if it has been relisted before as it can show up any inconsistencies and save a lot of problems later.


If you buying an expensive mobile, check that the seller has previously sold an expensive item with no problems. Similarly, if you are selling make sure that your buyer pays by a method you are comfortable with. BACs is good, Paypal is iffy. OK for smaller stuff, but I always ask for BACs on larger items.
Most of it is self explanatory, but you can never be 100%. Just make sure you have peace of mind before sending or paying. Requesting payment on receipt of item is good for buyers who have great feedback, if the seller is not willing there will always be other opportunities for a trade at a later date :thumbsup:
#12
if you have any reservations then back out ....... or ask the seller for a comprimise.,... half payment before sending etc

i wrote a post about spotting feeback's etc to help "n00bs"

http://hotukdeals.com/item/401991/buying-selling-on-hukd-tips-and-adv/
banned#13
easypeel;5791138
In general, it seems to be the people skipping procedures feeling the heat.

Paying by gift to save on fee's, really worth the risk? Not getting landline numbers or addresses and confirming..

People just need to be smart, it takes what, maybe 25 mins tops to get and check out details. Heh

paying normally doesnt give you any more protection on paypal either
#14
csiman
paying normally doesnt give you any more protection on paypal either


It gives you no protection at all from chargebacks. None. Unless you send by RMSD or some other fully tracked service.
banned#15
Scribbles;5791471
It gives you no protection at all from chargebacks. None. Unless you send by RMSD or some other fully tracked service.

so basically we should not accept paypal normal or paypal gift for larger amounts?
#16
csiman
so basically we should not accept paypal normal or paypal gift for larger amounts?


It's entirely the sellers choice mate. Just saying what I do. Fees are a put off for normal payments, that leaves gift which provides zero protection either way.
9/10 transactions will be fine, but there is always one that will give a problem.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/443299/for-sale-psp-slim-black

That as an example, seller says buyer iniatiated a chargeback, buyer says he didn't. Meanwhile the buyer still doesn't have his PSP. BACs is a one time transaction. Buyer pays, end of story.
As far as I can see, mods are powerless to prove either way in this case. At most, they ban the seller and the buyer just loses his money.
Personally, I wouldn't have purchased from someone that has a Join Date: Jul 2009 and
Posts: 26. Which goes back to my initial point of asking for receipt before payment and being as careful as you can in FS/FT.
#17
Just not worth the risk of buying say over £50 on here,

I'd rather take the sale to ebay and pay the 5% or whatever and get some protection.

I'v seen a couple of sales go bad lately where they have followed all the rules and have all the details and still end up in the poop.

5% over £100-200 isn't much to lose but a great deal to gain
#18
greg_68
Just not worth the risk of buying say over £50 on here,

I'd rather take the sale to ebay and pay the 5% or whatever and get some protection.

I'v seen a couple of sales go bad lately where they have followed all the rules and have all the details and still end up in the poop.

5% over £100-200 isn't much to lose but a great deal to gain


There doesn't have to be problems if you just don't give your money to someone with no past on here. eBay fb means nothing either. Sellers can't even neg bad buyers. Usually, past transactions on HUKD tell you everything you need to know.
#19
tinkerbell28
Having read the threads in question, here is my take on it. The seller has described to a T what happens when your payment is received and the funding source for it bounces, the timescale is right, the terminology is right paypal "reverse" the payment. It's done within a few days once pp discover the funding source will bounce or has been cancelled, can ocassionally happen with card, mostly by bank funding.
So it is entirely possible to receive payment and then have it reversed a few days later, this has always been down to fraud or bounced payments in my experience. Seller protection won't cover you for bounced payments........
I think people were to quick to jump the seller there, when it could of equally been the buyer at fault, some calling her a liar, when what she said is entirely plausible.
One person's word against another, but her side is very plausible and if she was genuine, I doubt she would come back either to justify herself after that linked thread.


I was simply illustrating, with a current example, what can happen when you make a purchase and don't bother taking the right precautions. The buyer has provided his evidence, and the seller has lost nothing as the PSP never got sent out. The only loser, if there is indeed a loser, is the buyer.
It's not my call to make a judgement on it, thats down to admin :thumbsup:
But it illustrates what can happen.
#20
Im not sure if this is 100% right but even if buyers pay via normal paypal, incurring the charges as long as a valid tracking number is provided the buyer has no protection...even if the seller ends up posting out a box of sand. Sometimes its not worth even using that method...as what ive read you are given limited protection outside ebay.

The only way to keep it safe is if two members with low feedback want to trade, they either meet in person or ask a middle man with higher feedback to help
#21
Definately. Buyer and seller beware :thumbsup:
Caveat emptor AND caveat venditor lol
banned#22
can bank trasnfers be reversed? I know cheques can.
banned#23
tinkerbell28;5806067
Nope I don't think they can, once sent it's sent, when ever you send a transfer to another account, that warning comes up, please check as we cannot retrieve funds once sent.:thinking:

Thanks. I thought as much. Didnt realise until recently that cheques can be cancelled and funds charged back up to six months after they have been banked!
#24
BACs is the preferred choice of the anti-scammer

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