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Theresa May: The weakest link?

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Tomorrow sees the unveiling of her plans for Brexit. But is she ready to use the UK military forces as "the ultimate bargaining chip" for single market access or anything else she wants? She might…
groenleader Avatar
1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
Tomorrow sees the unveiling of her plans for Brexit.

But is she ready to use the UK military forces as "the ultimate bargaining chip" for single market access or anything else she wants? She might well be seen as weak for not using it.

Donald, along with a lot of other leaders see NATO as out of date, simply put many countries to do not commit, either to troops or buying there own defences.

Donalds criticism of NATO does pave the way for May to use Britain's exit from it, with US following (or creating a situation for change in NATO) as way to garner support in the EU for British wants.

Will Brexiteers be crying tomorrow if May decides not use it as they will still be paying for Europe, protecting Europe but not free of it!?

Will Remainders be crying as May as does not bargain harder enough using the military support chip?!
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1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
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What are you talking about? Utter drivel.

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10 Likes #1
What are you talking about? Utter drivel.
2 Likes #2
You can't say that she is someone's daughter ;)
1 Like #3
GROENLEADER you have been a member for FOUR YEARS TOMORROW, congratulations, oh no wait you've posted ONE DEAL in four years, less chatty chatty more posty posty!
2 Likes #4
am i missing something here, read it three times and cannot see how brexit could possibly link to NATO and user of armed forces??
1 Like #5
NobbyNobbs
am i missing something here, read it three times and cannot see how brexit could possibly link to NATO and user of armed forces??
i was just thinking the same thing?
1 Like #6
but I voted to leave NATO...or something

so just go to the pub, have a nice cold pint & wait for all of this to blow up, I mean over, blow over that's the one
1 Like #7
Graham1979
GROENLEADER you have been a member for FOUR YEARS TOMORROW, congratulations, oh no wait you've posted ONE DEAL in four years, less chatty chatty more posty posty!

He shoudl take your advice as If he did that he might have a Hot English & Welsh Deal!!
1 Like #8
Tripe.
#9
She can say she is going to demand this that and the other does not mean to say she will get it. It is about negotiating not demanding as we still want to get along with Europe and will continue to play an active roll with our armed forces.

If China or Russia did decide to get hostile then Europe as they did in WW2 will need America to defend it.
#10
peeej1978
What are you talking about? Utter drivel.

What I am saying is. Will May use UK armed forces as bargaining tool for what she wants from the Brexit situation? Some people have advised against it, some people have suggest she should.

Trump wants to change NATO, he has given her the green light of support of she chooses to suggest withdrawing support for UK placements in defence of the EU.

Maybe you guys miss the news?
1 Like #11
i imagine Putin would love this. Destabilise Europe, get Trump in the White House and then see Britain use its membership of NATO as leverage.

No OP, she shouldn't. It's a very silly idea.
#12
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
i imagine Putin would love this. Destabilise Europe, get Trump in the White House and then see Britain use its membership of NATO as leverage.
No OP, she shouldn't. It's a very silly idea.

Haha! Yes she may well be berated if she does, berated if she doesn't!

Remember Britian is likely to lose its senior role at the NATO power table. The EU nations want an EU country in that seat and its likely to be France. We would lose say on the deployments and usage of NATO, its gotta be on the cusp for her.
1 Like #13
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
i imagine Putin would love this. Destabilise Europe, get Trump in the White House and then see Britain use its membership of NATO as leverage.
No OP, she shouldn't. It's a very silly idea.
Haha! Yes she may well be berated if she does, berated if she doesn't!
Remember Britian is likely to lose its senior role at the NATO power table. The EU nations want an EU country in that seat and its likely to be France. We would lose say on the deployments and usage of NATO, its gotta be on the cusp for her.

I don't think thats how NATO works tbh,i think all members are equal parties, but the UK will be one of the members the others listen to when the shtf due to not only our military experience but because our intelligence services are second to none, and our membership of the EU will have zero effect on that.

Your original point was a good one though and i have no doubt that it will be mentioned during brexit negotiations maybe not "publicly" but in the backroom meetings that will be happening,i am sure every tool we posses will be used to get the deal that we want, and rightly so.
#14
coys67
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
i imagine Putin would love this. Destabilise Europe, get Trump in the White House and then see Britain use its membership of NATO as leverage.
No OP, she shouldn't. It's a very silly idea.
Haha! Yes she may well be berated if she does, berated if she doesn't!
Remember Britian is likely to lose its senior role at the NATO power table. The EU nations want an EU country in that seat and its likely to be France. We would lose say on the deployments and usage of NATO, its gotta be on the cusp for her.
I don't think thats how NATO works tbh,i think all members are equal parties, but the UK will be one of the members the others listen to when the shtf due to not only our military experience but because our intelligence services are second to none, and our membership of the EU will have zero effect on that.
Your original point was a good one though and i have no doubt that it will be mentioned during brexit negotiations maybe not "publicly" but in the backroom meetings that will be happening,i am sure every tool we posses will be used to get the deal that we want, and rightly so.

In NATO you do not have follow the vote to support NATO action. To engage is still sovereign decision. France quit the NATO defence program in the 60s and di not re-join until recently.

Brittan has a de-facto hold on the position of deputy supreme allied commander since 1951, which France in particular would like to see the UK give up when exits the EU. This has been widely document in the press over the last week or so.
banned 2 Likes #15
Sorry how does May use the Army as a bargaining tool? All I see before me is another toothless PM becoming the poodle or lackey of a US President with the promise of a trade deal if she does as she is told. The same dynamic used by Bush with Blair as his whipping boy was so embarrassing, we ended up in a war no one wanted, based on lies and with soldiers killed needlessly for wmd which didn't exist.

Grow some **** May. Tell Trump to **** and put Britain first please!
4 Likes #16
out means out, its what we voted for, you should be more worried about that idiot ca~moron in the running for head of NATO
1 Like #17
smiler594
Sorry how does May use the Army as a bargaining tool?

By saying that Britian wont commit to collective defence or NATO operations on EU soil unless she gets XYZ.

Simply, how would the British people put up paying for and defending the EU when they wont get XYZ in return? What a slap in the face!

As a result many EU nations, in debt, undermanned or considering armed forces spending to be unacceptable would be force to consider there own investment as a huge cost of not letting the UK get something it wants.

The EU already wants to build its own defence force. France suspended its operations in NATO defence strategy for over 40 yrs.

People seem to think the UK shares a lot of intelligence with other EU nations, simply, it does not. It usually operates in a 1 for 1 trade and the EU nations have very little info to share and thus receive very little in return. Hence, recent actions by EU institutions to try and force intelligence sharing between EU member states.

Edited By: groenleader on Jan 17, 2017 09:29
#18
psmith1958
out means out, its what we voted for, you should be more worried about that idiot ca~moron in the running for head of NATO

Yup! And hopefully Don will bring a swift end to NATO in its current form too!
banned#19
Who's the ca person?
banned 1 Like #20
groenleader
smiler594
Sorry how does May use the Army as a bargaining tool?

By saying that Britian wont commit to collective defence or NATO operations on EU soil unless she gets XYZ.

Simply, how would the British people put up paying for and defending the EU when they wont get XYZ in return? What a slap in the face!

As a result many EU nations, in debt, undermanned or considering armed forces spending to be unacceptable would be force to consider there own investment as a huge cost of not letting the UK get something it wants.

The EU already wants to build its own defence force. France suspended its operations in NATO defence strategy for over 40 yrs.

People seem to think the UK shares a lot of intelligence with other EU nations, simply, it does not. It usually operates in a 1 for 1 trade and the EU nations have very little info to share and thus receive very little in return. Hence, recent actions by EU institutions to try and force intelligence sharing between EU member states.


Thanks for explaining that one greenleader ;)
2 Likes #21
any bargaining tool should be used imo.
and NATO is not equal, some pay more than others.
and the uk have one of the best intelligence bureaus in the world.
4th biggest economy.
but what really pi33es me off the most is the fact that all these countries in Europe are the same countries where hundreds of thousands of British and commonwealth troops gave their lives for. to which afterwards we became forever friends,
however these friends want to take easy sides yet again and if we decide to leave that's our choice not theirs and they want to make it hard for us?
Europe need us for intelligence, our forces and economy.
trade or lose everything Europe, we can do ok without you but you cannot , full stop.
nice friends we can do without.
1 Like #22
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.
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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.


I agree. Lacking compassion is a most unpleasant trait.
#24
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.


​it is sad to see what some in this country have become.
#25
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.


The Telegraph's Liam Halligan says✔
@LiamHalligan
May juxtaposes "trade" with "UK security forces and unique intelligence capabilities". This is the real trade off, folks.
#26
peterdarlison
any bargaining tool should be used imo.
and NATO is not equal, some pay more than others.
and the uk have one of the best intelligence bureaus in the world.
4th biggest economy.
but what really pi33es me off the most is the fact that all these countries in Europe are the same countries where hundreds of thousands of British and commonwealth troops gave their lives for. to which afterwards we became forever friends,
however these friends want to take easy sides yet again and if we decide to leave that's our choice not theirs and they want to make it hard for us?
Europe need us for intelligence, our forces and economy.
trade or lose everything Europe, we can do ok without you but you cannot , full stop.
nice friends we can do without.

Here here! So right.
#27
Saturn
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.

I agree. Lacking compassion is a most unpleasant trait.

Squeeze a Brit and the pounds keep coming out! They wont even buy our arms to defend themselves with! You have to give to take, and they don't give anything! As Trump said "they don't pay".

Edited By: groenleader on Jan 17, 2017 12:44
1 Like #28
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.
The Telegraph's Liam Halligan says✔
@LiamHalligan
May juxtaposes "trade" with "UK security forces and unique intelligence capabilities". This is the real trade off, folks.

Very sad to see Britain and Britons reduced to the whims of its lowest common denominators.
banned#29
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.
The Telegraph's Liam Halligan says✔
@LiamHalligan
May juxtaposes "trade" with "UK security forces and unique intelligence capabilities". This is the real trade off, folks.

Very sad to see Britain and Britons reduced to the whims of its lowest common denominators.


Well said
banned#30
groenleader
peterdarlison
any bargaining tool should be used imo.
and NATO is not equal, some pay more than others.
and the uk have one of the best intelligence bureaus in the world.
4th biggest economy.
but what really pi33es me off the most is the fact that all these countries in Europe are the same countries where hundreds of thousands of British and commonwealth troops gave their lives for. to which afterwards we became forever friends,
however these friends want to take easy sides yet again and if we decide to leave that's our choice not theirs and they want to make it hard for us?
Europe need us for intelligence, our forces and economy.
trade or lose everything Europe, we can do ok without you but you cannot , full stop.
nice friends we can do without.

Here here! So right.


Yes, but for all our 007's and intelligence, we failed to see through the false US evidence of WMD in Iraq. Our fault.
2 Likes #31
some awfully blinkered and short sighted rhetoric in here.

international diplomacy is not a zero sum game; everyone can win, everyone can lose.
#32
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.
The Telegraph's Liam Halligan says✔
@LiamHalligan
May juxtaposes "trade" with "UK security forces and unique intelligence capabilities". This is the real trade off, folks.
Very sad to see Britain and Britons reduced to the whims of its lowest common denominators.

Guess you and quite a few others will be out to Europe before the we leave the EU in 2 yrs or so! X)
#33
upset brown pant
some awfully blinkered and short sighted rhetoric in here.

international diplomacy is not a zero sum game; everyone can win, everyone can lose.
Usually there is only 1 winner and a few naggers!
#34
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.
The Telegraph's Liam Halligan says✔
@LiamHalligan
May juxtaposes "trade" with "UK security forces and unique intelligence capabilities". This is the real trade off, folks.
Very sad to see Britain and Britons reduced to the whims of its lowest common denominators.
Guess you and quite a few others will be out to Europe before the we leave the EU in 2 yrs or so! X)

I imagine there will be a number of opportunities for people with the right skills to do that. What are you going to do I wonder?
1 Like #35
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.
The Telegraph's Liam Halligan says✔
@LiamHalligan
May juxtaposes "trade" with "UK security forces and unique intelligence capabilities". This is the real trade off, folks.
Very sad to see Britain and Britons reduced to the whims of its lowest common denominators.
Guess you and quite a few others will be out to Europe before the we leave the EU in 2 yrs or so! X)
I imagine there will be a number of opportunities for people with the right skills to do that. What are you going to do I wonder?

Well I had this idea for a website, low prices found by users, hotEUdeals, I could start it in France or something :D
#36
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
groenleader
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
I genuinely can't believe that people are considering using our NATO commitment as a bargaining chip. I know some people have an issue with basic compassion but surely it's in our self interest to safeguard our closest neighbours. It's sad to see what some in this country have become.
The Telegraph's Liam Halligan says✔
@LiamHalligan
May juxtaposes "trade" with "UK security forces and unique intelligence capabilities". This is the real trade off, folks.
Very sad to see Britain and Britons reduced to the whims of its lowest common denominators.
Guess you and quite a few others will be out to Europe before the we leave the EU in 2 yrs or so! X)
I imagine there will be a number of opportunities for people with the right skills to do that. What are you going to do I wonder?
Well I had this idea for a website, low prices found by users, hotEUdeals, I could start it in France or something :D

Yeah....the parent company of HUKD actually operates websites throughout Europe already. Was that your only idea for income over the next decade?
#37
german owned isn't it?
4 Likes #38
anyone heard trumps speech today?
he said buy American, america,built by Americans by American labour for Americans
i think the uk could learn something here. anyone who penalises for leaving a club isn't a club worth being associated with.
all those trying to punish us now in the eu should remember they will want to have free trade with the uk when eu breaks into pieces, upon which point we should in my opinion trade with them under our terms, see how they like it.
bullies are always tamed.
banned 1 Like #39
Graham1979
GROENLEADER you have been a member for FOUR YEARS TOMORROW, congratulations, oh no wait you've posted ONE DEAL in four years, less chatty chatty more posty posty!


What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?
banned#40
peterdarlison
anyone heard trumps speech today?
he said buy American, america,built by Americans by American labour for Americans
i think the uk could learn something here. anyone who penalises for leaving a club isn't a club worth being associated with.
all those trying to punish us now in the eu should remember they will want to have free trade with the uk when eu breaks into pieces, upon which point we should in my opinion trade with them under our terms, see how they like it.
bullies are always tamed.


Peter, the EU won't die and go away. It's a part of life. I predict another referendum, in about 20 years, where we vote to re-enter.

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