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I thought I would start a thread where people could post things that people should avoid on ethical grounds, even if they are cheep ! Often we don't know when we are supporting un-ethical companies… Read More
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
I thought I would start a thread where people could post things that people should avoid on ethical grounds, even if they are cheep !

Often we don't know when we are supporting un-ethical companies.

List so far :

IAMS
KFC
COCA-COLA
NESTLE
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
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#1
I will kick off with IAMS pet food . Bad! :x

http://www.iamscruelty.com/images/bannerPhoto-Cindy2.jpg

http://www.iamscruelty.com/
1 Like #2
I'll be very unpopular here, but what about the Colonel. KFC. Very bad. Very tasty. :)
#3
KFC +1
Battery farmed meat.
Cocaine.
#4
But i like kfc. i dont like macdonalds.
#5
cherishu2
But i like kfc. i dont like macdonalds.


They should really use free-range chicken - they could change the industry with the amount they buy. I would eat there if they did - right now I deny myself that wonderful smell of fat and savoury goodness on principle.
MacDonalds have done some good work in sourcing free range and ethical products.
#6
Another one tha's not going to be popular, COCA-COLA

The US-based International Labour Rights Fund, and the US United Steelworkers filed a lawsuit against Coca-Cola accusing its franchised bottle plant in Colombia of using paramilitaries to suppress union activity. In the still-unresolved case, Coca-Cola said it could not be held responsible because the plants were not directly under its control.The lawsuit filed in Miami in 2001 alleged that the company "maintains open relations with murderous death squads as part of a program to intimidate trade union leaders."


They have also been found guilty of racial dicrimination, getting american schools to get the kids to drink coke..amongst other nifarious deeds..
#7
Anything from PC World. Not so much a question of ethics - more the fact that they are a complete bunch of merchant bankers (to use the widely accepted rhyming slang)!
#8
*Couldn't give a toss about ethical stuff*

if its not me using it its going to be someone else.
Realistically there is never going to be enough people boycotting to significantly affect their profits.
My problem is that most people don't actually know the full story behind things like animal testing.
I for one am all for animal testing. the guidelines for it are SO strict... ou get away with doing worse to humans.

but to you who do stick to your guns kudos to you :)

*waits for the people like you bandwagon*
#9
Spod
Anything from PC World. Not so much a question of ethics - more the fact that they are a complete bunch of merchant bankers (to use the widely accepted rhyming slang)!


+1
#10
Jetpac
*Couldn't give a toss about ethical stuff*

if its not me using it its going to be someone else.
Realistically there is never going to be enough people boycotting to significantly affect their profits.
My problem is that most people don't actually know the full story behind things like animal testing.
I for one am all for animal testing. the guidelines for it are SO strict... ou get away with doing worse to humans.

but to you who do stick to your guns kudos to you :)

*waits for the people like you bandwagon*


While we're at it we should give up all freedoms really - since it's the people in charge that make all the decisions. Also, why vote? It's not worth it. Unions are useless too.
I think we're better off shutting up about things we disagree with - after all - we're potentially powerless!
#11
Jetpac
*Couldn't give a toss about ethical stuff*

if its not me using it its going to be someone else.
Realistically there is never going to be enough people boycotting to significantly affect their profits.
My problem is that most people don't actually know the full story behind things like animal testing.
I for one am all for animal testing. the guidelines for it are SO strict... ou get away with doing worse to humans.

*waits for the people like you bandwagon*


I'd agree about the animal testing but I think that ethical boycots can make a difference if there's a big enough boycott to make the news. This is quite interesting:
http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/Boycotts/successfulboycotts.aspx
#12
So what are the 'ethical' companies we should be supporting? (Do you really want to feed your pets a food that hasn't been tested on animals? :?)
1 Like #13
Nestle - most boycotted brand in the UK! Horrible company regarding their selling of baby milk to the developing world.
#14
[email protected]
While we're at it we should give up all freedoms really - since it's the people in charge that make all the decisions. Also, why vote? It's not worth it. Unions are useless too.
I think we're better off shutting up about things we disagree with - after all - we're potentially powerless!


you also forgot to add in that in all odds we don't exist if you take the entire universe into account.

i knew voting would come up.. you see voting is democracy... big business isn't.
#15
Spod
I'd agree about the animal testing but I think that ethical boycots can make a difference if there's a big enough boycott to make the news. This is quite interesting:
http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/Boycotts/successfulboycotts.aspx


that is interesting. im not saying that boycotting doesnt work, i was just saying financially.
boycotts success usually comes down to publicity generated. or rather adverse publicity.

However look at the case of nestle? what are the chances of them changing that much? people must have been boycotting them for 10 years now.
#16
Jetpac
*Couldn't give a toss about ethical stuff*

if its not me using it its going to be someone else.
Realistically there is never going to be enough people boycotting to significantly affect their profits.
My problem is that most people don't actually know the full story behind things like animal testing.
I for one am all for animal testing. the guidelines for it are SO strict... ou get away with doing worse to humans.

but to you who do stick to your guns kudos to you :)

*waits for the people like you bandwagon*


Animal testing for medicines is dubious - animal testing on the scale that is performed on beauty products is definitely wrong imo!

Uncaged.co.uk
Per Scientifically speaking, experimentation on animals is a fundamentally flawed approach to learning about human biology and disease. Differences between the infinitely complex biological systems of different species of animals mean that data gained from experiments on nonhumans are an unreliable and dangerous guide to the human condition.
#17
stufai
Animal testing for medicines is dubious - animal testing on the scale that is performed on beauty products is definitely wrong imo!


I do not like that quote one bit to be honest, infact i hate it.

Whilst fundamentally correct about differences it is misleading and poorly written into the fact it is unreliable and dangerous to humans. If that were the case dont you think there would be one hell of alot more problems with products.

no surprise its from an anti-animal testing website. its like those sodding people on high streets with all their pictures from before guidelines were tightened and being absolutely clueless. Go on.. next time you walk down a high street and you see them.. offer them a Pringle as you talk to them i bet they accept it.
#18
Jetpac
*Couldn't give a toss about ethical stuff*

if its not me using it its going to be someone else.
Realistically there is never going to be enough people boycotting to significantly affect their profits.
My problem is that most people don't actually know the full story behind things like animal testing.
I for one am all for animal testing. the guidelines for it are SO strict... ou get away with doing worse to humans.

but to you who do stick to your guns kudos to you :)

*waits for the people like you bandwagon*


I am sorry that you feel so impotent. I have been involved in protests and boycotts since I was a child, (Hippy parents :) and I have learned that you can make a difference. You won't always win, but if people never made a stand about their moral beliefs we would live in a horrible world.
#19
Pets at Home (and most other large chain pet shops) breed animals without a clue what they are doing, how to look after them or what age they can be sold, whilst often keeping them in awful conditions. Much, much better to go to an independent retailer or breeder who knows what they are doing.
#20
djfluff
I am sorry that you feel so impotent. I have been involved in protests and boycotts since I was a child, (Hippy parents :) and I have learned that you can make a difference. You won't always win, but if people never made a stand about their moral beliefs we would live in a horrible world.


Not impotent. Realistic.
i agree that protests can make a diference, of course they can. But boycotts i dont think really do unless on a local scale or they get some serious negative publicity.. As i said.... Nestle must have been boycotted for 10 years now.. massive changes.

Protests also irritate me. If only because i would be pretty tempted to say a majority of people have no idea about most of the issues involved.. they hear one or 2 things and jump on the wagon.

Im not against people standing up for their beliefs, not by any means and as before kudos if you do. I just wish people actually knew the facts behind what is being protested about rather than just reading the sun.
#21
Jetpac
I do not like that quote one bit to be honest, infact i hate it.

Whilst fundamentally correct about differences it is misleading and poorly written into the fact it is unreliable and dangerous to humans. If that were the case dont you think there would be one hell of alot more problems with products.

no surprise its from an anti-animal testing website. its like those sodding people on high streets with all their pictures from before guidelines were tightened and being absolutely clueless. Go on.. next time you walk down a high street and you see them.. offer them a Pringle as you talk to them i bet they accept it.


Well it was never going to be from a pro-animal testing website was it... :thinking:

Do you not think that scientists know what they are doing? The Body Shop have been selling products without animal testing for years and there aren't widespread issues with their products (I do know that there have occasionally been issues, but there have been with items tested on aminals too).
#22
stufai
Well it was never going to be from a pro-animal testing website was it... :thinking:


It could be from a balanced site.
I mean a quote from a site devoted to an aspect is always going to be biased.
#23
dcx_badass
Mmmmmmmmm KFC, I might go tomorrow. In Australia they have a wrap with popcorn chicken, bacon, bbq sauce and cheese in it, not tried it yet, but will do before I leave.


That sounds awesome. Yum Yum :thumbsup:
#24
Jetpac
you also forgot to add in that in all odds we don't exist if you take the entire universe into account.


What's that got to do with the price of eggs?
#25
Jetpac
It could be from a balanced site.
I mean a quote from a site devoted to an aspect is always going to be biased.


True, but in general people don't set up sites to sit on the fence do they?!

And even a neutral site can see that a rat is genetically different from a human enough for a large percentage of tests to be of no use. I know that I wouldn't take comfort in the fact that a rat had been sprayed with my deodorant to make it 100% safe.

And as previously stated, enough companies now are producing products that aren't tested on animals, and we aren't seeing horrendous consequences.

Jetpac


Im not against people standing up for their beliefs, not by any means and as before kudos if you do. I just wish people actually knew the facts behind what is being protested about rather than just reading the sun.


Seriously?! You believe that the type of people that read about the issues reported in the Sun go out and protest?! (not including protests for making busty women go topless...)

I doubt many people protest without knowing any facts; I assume they either know enough about what they are talking about to form an opinion, or are basing their decision on the opinion of someone that they trust!
#26
dcx_badass
Mmmmmmmmm KFC, I might go tomorrow. In Australia they have a wrap with popcorn chicken, bacon, bbq sauce and cheese in it, not tried it yet, but will do before I leave.


Thanks for your input....

:thumbsup:
#27
stufai

Seriously?! You believe that the type of people that read about the issues reported in the Sun go out and protest?! (not including protests for making busty women go topless...)

I doubt many people protest without knowing any facts; I assume they either know enough about what they are talking about to form an opinion, or are basing their decision on the opinion of someone that they trust!


See now here i do disagree with you.
The amount of times i've spoken to people who have formed these opinions who are on these protests who just don't know substantial facts about the cause either for or against, its ridiculous.

The sun was a generalisation but yes in essence i do believe that fact is true. People hear things and think that's a bad thing without bothering about the other half of the story. How on earth can you form a balanced opinion without knowing the other side?
#28
Jetpac
See now here i do disagree with you.
The amount of times i've spoken to people who have formed these opinions who are on these protests who just don't know substantial facts about the cause either for or against, its ridiculous.

The sun was a generalisation but yes in essence i do believe that fact is true. People hear things and think that's a bad thing without bothering about the other half of the story. How on earth can you form a balanced opinion without knowing the other side?


People do protest without knowing the facts but I care about the facts. I think businesses are massively influenced by public opinion and supporting only the products you deem ethical supports the good and does not support the bad. On issues such as pet food I am not well informed - I haven't researched. Re: animal cruely as a result of the drug companies I am well informed and I would choose the lives of my family over animals - I also trust the scientists resonsible (in general) as highly skilled and intelligent members of society - although I couldn't do those things myself.

Re: KFC - I personally don't feel comfortable eating battery farmed meat - it isn't an industry I wish to support and my form of protest is to choose alternatives when I can. If everyone did the same then we'd make a difference - if everyone does as you do then you empower the companies to make all your decisions for you... you aren't choosing - they are.
#29
[email protected]
Re: KFC - I personally don't feel comfortable eating battery farmed meat - it isn't an industry I wish to support and my form of protest is to choose alternatives when I can. If everyone did the same then we'd make a difference - if everyone does as you do then you empower the companies to make all your decisions for you... you aren't choosing - they are.


Im sorry to say but at the end of the day the big pound comes into it, if it makes it cheaper then that's fine by me Obviously i would prefer that the chickens had a better life but them not is not a massive moral dilemma for me i dont advocate it like i do with animal testing., im just too far removed. TBH i don't eat fast food anyway apart from if i'm travelling and need something as a stop gap.

But tbh free range isn't as free range as you would have thought (i have worked on several Free range farms) and organic chicken is just a joke.
#30
Jetpac
Im sorry to say but at the end of the day the big pound comes into it, if it makes it cheaper then that's fine by me Obviously i would prefer that the chickens had a better life but them not is not a massive moral dilemma for me i dont advocate it like i do with animal testing., im just too far removed. TBH i don't eat fast food anyway apart from if i'm travelling and need something as a stop gap.

But tbh free range isn't as free range as you would have thought (i have worked on several Free range farms) and organic chicken is just a joke.


I understand how you feel because I used to feel similar, but I think if you eat the chicken at the end of the day you are pretty involved.

I am not naive enough to believe that free range is perfect, but a good free range farm is a million miles away from a battery farm or similar. Hence why I feel we should boycott companies that couldn't care less how the animals are treated before they go into their products.

Maybe the lack of alternatives doesn't help peoples' apathy, but it's still no excuse imho.
#31
stufai;5329875
Nestle - most boycotted brand in the UK! Horrible company regarding their selling of baby milk to the developing world.

sod boycotting them - have you ever had a milky bar - they are the nuts :thumbsup:
#32
jah128
So what are the 'ethical' companies we should be supporting? (Do you really want to feed your pets a food that hasn't been tested on animals? :?)


+1
#33
jah128
(Do you really want to feed your pets a food that hasn't been tested on animals? :?)


Are you being sarcastic?! Because if not that's quite worrying.
#34
Feelings of powerlessness demonstrate the extent to which our consumer society seems to define individual action. We now seem not only unable to act against damaging consumption practices, but to even think without consumption as the frame. It's implicit in the OP''s question that asks us to consider ethical behaviour only in terms of market behaviours. It's as if we can no longer ask 'what should I do', but only 'what should I buy'. When the only ways of thinking about society and its structures relate to consumption, we do indeed have little sense in which we might make a difference through boycotts. The is also the broader economic issue. The only way we can understand 'progress' is in an economic sense and therefore when that falters the solution is to encourage more consumption rather than to question whether all this consumption might actually be the source of the problem rather than the solution.

So forget 'not buying' particular brands and think about not buying at all. Don't buy a car, for example, but protest for better public transport. Don't shop in supermarkets, but support local farmers' markets. You get the idea.

Now I know you might counter with 'what about jobs?'. But do we really want a social system that maintains alienated labour in call centers, offices and factories just to support the over consumption of goods that bring little pleasure and damage the environment?
#35
Paidia
So forget 'not buying' particular brands and think about not buying at all. Don't buy a car, for example, but protest for better public transport. Don't shop in supermarkets, but support local farmers' markets. You get the idea.


While I can agree with your sentiments, have you seen the price at 'farmers markets'? Compare them to a 'normal' market and they're well overpriced. Quite literally a niche market.
#36
As a society we can afford for everyone to eat mainly form local produce. Instead we choose supermarkets, and to save money that we then waste on other goods that bring no pleasure and damage the environment.

Of course some can't afford higher food prices, but that isn't because of a lack of total wealth, that because of the way we choose to distribute it.

If more people changed their shopping habits to focus on local goods we would also see the market respond, but it a more ethical way. We would end up with a social system where small scale and local (and where meaningful work and community focus) were the keys ideas that we think with.

In those circumstances this site would be very different too.
#37
stufai;5337831
Are you being sarcastic?! Because if not that's quite worrying.


Not at all - I wouldn't want my guinea pig to be the guinea pig for a new brand of guinea pig food, I would hope that other guinea pigs had already been guinea pigs :thumbsup:
#38
jah128
Not at all - I wouldn't want my guinea pig to be the guinea pig for a new brand of guinea pig food, I would hope that other guinea pigs had already been guinea pigs :thumbsup:


So you always check if food that you feed your children/ partner/ self has been tested on other people?
#39
stufai
So you always check if food that you feed your children/ partner/ self has been tested on other people?


And with that you instantly lose all credibility :lol:
#40
stufai;5340697
So you always check if food that you feed your children/ partner/ self has been tested on other people?


Not really - although I do assume it has been in the case of mass-manufactured produce - I certainly wouldn't consider it unethical if it had been!

Still confused as to what are the 'ethical' companies we should use though, seems pretty much every thing that can be bought in a supermarket is 'unethical' is some way...

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