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Doctors said I'd had a miscarriage and did nothing as my premature baby fought for his life link in post 1 Read More
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7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
Doctors said I'd had a miscarriage and did nothing as my premature baby fought for his life

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7y, 8m agoPosted 7 years, 8 months ago
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#2
if it was me i think i would have ended up in prison
#3
i cant believe the doctors could be so cruel
everybody deserves the right to live
banned#4
shame really,so tiny
#5
it is so shocking that this is what happens if you have a baby before 22 weeks
#6
having a miscarriage losing a baby/ child is unbearable but to sit there knowing something can be done and isnt thers no words to describe it really icant imagine what she went through
#7
I have read the first bit and I cant read on :cry: so so sad. I can never imagine what that poor lady went through :x
banned#8
The guidance, published by the Nuffield Council on Bioethics in 2006 and backed by the British Association of Perinatal Medicine, says intensive care should never be given to babies below 22 weeks gestation, and rarely to those below 23 weeks.

This is because babies born before this time very rarely survive, and only 1 per cent of those born between 22 and 23 weeks live beyond hospital - so doctors consider keeping them alive will only pointlessly prolong their suffering.


I think that we need more facts about the case to be honest.
#9
omg... so sad :'(
banned#10
fab_1
i cant believe the doctors could be so cruel
everybody deserves the right to live


I think that's terribly unfair. They spend their lives training to save people's lives and for you level that at them is wrong.

Miss Capewell, 23, from Great Yarmouth had previously suffered five miscarriages and had a complicated pregnancy with bleeding almost throughout.

I don't know if her medical history was a part of their decision, but the doctors followed the guidelines.
#11
I couldnt read past the first paragraph
#13
The chances of any kind of life for a baby born at 22 weeks are very slim, survival is just about 1% and then about a further 5% for life without major disabilities. Our neighbour gave birth to twins at 23 weeks, the first died within 5 days. The second twin is still fighting for life 15 months on, cerebal palsy, partial sight, total deafness, small heart, underpowered lungs,hooked up to a permanent oxygen supply................... it's endless heartbreak for parents and family alike.
Whilst it may be an horrific experience for the mother, sometimes people die and cannot be saved. It is life and death.
My thoughts are with the parents and hope that their grief does not consume them.
#14
bitseylango
I couldnt read past the first paragraph


I couldn't either :cry:
#15
i agree there are guidelines etc, but trying telling a mum/dad sorry we cant even try to save your child as the book told us not to bother, come on m8 seriously yes we all no deep down there would of been less then a 1% chance the poor child would of lived, but i surely cant be the only one who would rather try then just let it die like that, those extra few hours could of resulted that poor baby being in more pain or it could of been a few extra hours that the mum/dad could of spend with there child, a book cant decide that, surely it a doctor could of had a look and made a judgement
FilthAndFurry;6273982
I think that's terribly unfair. They spend their lives training to save people's lives and for you level that at them is wrong.

Miss Capewell, 23, from Great Yarmouth had previously suffered five miscarriages and had a complicated pregnancy with bleeding almost throughout.

I don't know if her medical history was a part of their decision, but the doctors followed the guidelines.
#16
there would have been no harm in trying surely?
#17
i cried reading that, feel so bad right now, didnt stop me reading, I have 6 kids and that was truly out of order..

****ing outrageous!
banned#18
4lyons09
there would have been no harm in trying surely?


babies born before this time very rarely survive, and only 1 per cent of those born between 22 and 23 weeks live beyond hospital - so doctors consider keeping them alive will only pointlessly prolong their suffering.
#19
FilthAndFurry
babies born before this time very rarely survive, and only 1 per cent of those born between 22 and 23 weeks live beyond hospital - so doctors consider keeping them alive will only pointlessly prolong their suffering.


so just because only a few survive none are worth saving
#20
yet they do not allow abortions after 16 weeks, so there is a gap from 16-22 of nothing??

Pathetic!
banned#21
Dub1
i agree there are guidelines etc, but trying telling a mum/dad sorry we cant even try to save your child as the book told us not to bother, come on m8 seriously yes we all no deep down there would of been less then a 1% chance the poor child would of lived, but i surely cant be the only one who would rather try then just let it die like that, those extra few hours could of resulted that poor baby being in more pain or it could of been a few extra hours that the mum/dad could of spend with there child, a book cant decide that, surely it a doctor could of had a look and made a judgement


Although it's not nice for any baby to die, these decisions are made by experts and take into account the quality of life that the baby would have, even if it's only a relatively small amount of time.

I doubt any doctor relished the case and was high-fiving colleagues in the hallways.
#22
this truly is heartbreaking :( he was breathing, why didn't they even try? :(
banned#23
fab_1
so just because only a few survive none are worth saving


It's not about that. It's about not prolonging the suffering of the baby unnecessarily.
#24
FilthAndFurry
babies born before this time very rarely survive, and only 1 per cent of those born between 22 and 23 weeks live beyond hospital - so doctors consider keeping them alive will only pointlessly prolong their suffering.


the baby could have been within the 1% though.
Things like this get me really emotional, Its such a big thing bringing a child into the world you cant beat the feeling, but for the doctors to not even try is so sad, I know its the rules but what harm would it have done trying? The mother said there were empty incubators :x
#25
FilthAndFurry
It's not about that. It's about not prolonging the suffering of the baby unnecessarily.


and it wasnt suffering when it was getting colder
#26
these decisions where made a while ago, surely sometimes rules can be broken or re-looked at, no mother/father should have to beg to have there child looked at or saved.
FilthAndFurry;6274057
Although it's not nice for any baby to die, these decisions are made by experts and take into account the quality of life that the baby would have, even if it's only a relatively small amount of time.

I doubt any doctor relished the case and was high-fiving colleagues in the hallways.
banned#27
fab_1
and it wasnt suffering when it was getting colder


I don't know because it's actually proving quite tricky to find the actual FACTS of the case.
#28
Dub1
these decisions where made a while ago, surely sometimes rules can be broken or re-looked at, no mother/father should have to beg to have there child looked at or saved.


+1

Never seems to be done though, same with lowering abortion weeks but thats a whole different story I dont want to bring up :x
#29
they could have at least tried to save him, afterall he was breathing ..
#30
either way, no matter what, if this had happened to anyone, you would be devastated,

I'm out, goto get my mind off this now..
banned#31
pcnutta
they could have at least tried to save him, afterall he was breathing ..


What type of brain function did he have?
#32
none of us no that, but if the doctor BOTHERED to look maybe we would no, wouldnt we ??
FilthAndFurry;6274103
What type of brain function did he have?
banned#33
Dub1
none of us no that, but if the doctor BOTHERED to look maybe we would no, wouldnt we ??


But the point is you don't know the extent of the assessment. None of us do.
#34
It's horrendous.
Can not believe that they just left him to die.:-(:cry:
#35
yes but there is the point i think, none of us no was the baby suffering, was the baby going to be with in the 1% none of us no would they been able to keep the poor kid alive for a while pain free, all because a stupid set of guidelines/rules said not to bother as its not worth it, come on m8 you cant seriously belive this is right surely ??
FilthAndFurry;6274117
But the point is you don't know the extent of the assessment. None of us do.
#36
"dont worry about what he is saying, he is trying to incite argument and is better off being ignored. Most of his previous posts and behaviour show this is all he is about"


.... a mod...
#37
It is heartbreaking to think that they did not attempt to do anything to at least give this baby a chance. :cry:


My daughter was born at 24 weeks and 6 days, over 23 years ago, similarly I was left in a room to 'have a miscarriage' but there was no way she was going to stop breathing when she was born, the hospital didn't have facilities for her and she was taken away to another hospital that did. Back then I 'think' they termed a baby a foetus until 28 weeks? but she breathed on her own for long enough for them to realise she had to be saved. She grew up a beautiful 'normal' girl.

My second child, now 16 was born at 27 weeks, but very tiny and poorly, eventually he grew stronger and was on par with similar children by the time he was 2.
banned#38
Dub1
yes but there is the point i think, none of us no was the baby suffering, was the baby going to be with in the 1% none of us no would they been able to keep the poor kid alive for a while pain free, all because a stupid set of guidelines/rules said not to bother as its not worth it, come on m8 you cant seriously belive this is right surely ??


So you say we don't know what happened, but I'm supposed to say whether or not it's right or not?

I think castigating doctors unfairly isn't right.
#39
2 frekkin days early and they let the baby go?
Cruel B*stards. (needed swearing there)
its murder in my book.... not trying to save a life.. and that.... was a life.
banned#40
DudeyGeeza
.... a mod...


Which one?

I'm not trying to start an argument - I'm defending the doctors who are being painted as callous, heartless barbarians who only follow guidelines.

I'm probably the only person here who actually bothered to try and find the actual FACTS of the case.

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