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This volcanic ash caper-are we about to compromise safety for money?

barky Avatar
6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
So the european airlines are demanding the lifting of restrictions,obviously because they are losing so much money. They are claiming that the "science is wrong" and they should be allowed to fly.

Are the government likely to cave in to pressure? would you fly if the airlines said it was safe but the scientists didnt?

Another thing that doesnt impress me-is it really more important for Gordon Brown to be handshaking around the country for votes,instead of showing real leadership and going back to downing street to manage this crisis?

If this ash is so dangerous,and the met office say the cloud will be above britain until thursday at least then how can some airlines be hoping to fly on tuesday? its all a tad confusing methinks
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6y, 7m agoPosted 6 years, 7 months ago
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#1
I thought if the NATS people declared the air space a no fly zone, then that was that. An airline can't decide it's OK and fly anyway. But to answer your question, yes they are compromising safety for money, and no I wouldn't be flying.
banned#2
one airline already did a fly test, and announced their was no problems

so yes, expect flights to resume, expect it all to be downplayed, and hope we dont get any crashes
the volcano itself doesnt seem to be stopping, and may even get worse
suspended#3
Europe is safe for flights actually, just like i've been saying all along.
Here is a link to show the success of recent test flights
#4
probably they have done the same with drugs.....ignoring the scientific evidence and pursuing their own agenda

cash profits taxes etc
#5
Something on the news this morning suggested that they may fly, and be perfectly safe, but the aerodynamics may be permanently affected, leading them to require more fuel for the same trips, for the rest of their serviceable life. More pollution I imagine, to make up for the week we've had of no airline pollution!
banned#6
yep i am sure those who have declared a no fly zone are just playing silly sausages and just want to see how disruptive they can be and for how long they can get away with it, i mean why pay them to make calls like this where there is hukd, just plain stupid really
#7
DarkKnight
Europe is safe for flights actually, just like i've been saying all along.
Here is a link to show the success of recent test flights


yep-read that earlier,and apparently british airways are to do a test flight tonight,with the chief executive on board too-yet mandelson just said they are looking to set up a hub in spain to fly brits abroad into and then bring them home by royal navy ships! my brother and his family are in barbados due back tuesday and he just emailed me to say his information from british airways
is that he has no chance!

this means I have to collect his labrador from the person watching her and then I will have 3 huge dogs in the house(lol-not!)
#8
Yup, they will sacrifice safety for money. If the government does listen to the airlines and lift the ban (because of pressure etc). If there is an accident, the airlines will take no blame, they will just point the finger at the government (wanting them to pay up) and the airlines will deny all association with asking for the lift.
#9
DarkKnight
Europe is safe for flights actually, just like i've been saying all along.
Here is a link to show the success of recent test flights


im willing to chip in to a fund to put you on as many flights as possible to really test your belief. :thumbsup:

personally i just wouldnt risk it. no need to, not worth it.
banned#10
inb4 they lift it and 5 planes crash in a day
suspended#11
shanecr
im willing to chip in to a fund to put you on as many flights as possible to really test your belief. :thumbsup:

personally i just wouldnt risk it. no need to, not worth it.


I wouldn't mind being on a test flight, as i know i would be fine. I would enjoy the flights being free too :)
#12
DarkKnight
I wouldn't mind being on a test flight, as i know i would be fine. I would enjoy the flights being free too :)


If I was being paid (don't need to go anywhere atm) I would go on the test flight.
#13
The BA plane just landed in Cardiff safely I think. Was tracking it on here
#14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

The effects of volcanic ash on a Boeing 747.
#15
I think if their going to do proper test flights they should fly directly through the ash cloud above the volcano a few dozen times and see if theirs any ill affects.

Hope it eases off soon as were due to go to Tunisia on the 5th of May, Been waiting ages for this holiday, I'm very concerned. I'm a little anxious about flying anyway, Never mind going through clouds of ash, I'd be bricking it.

Even if we go hope we don't get stranded,
suspended#16
pugw$sh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

The effects of volcanic ash on a Boeing 747.


Yeah we know that, but that was a plane flying into a load of dense ash from an Indonesian volcano, so wasn't far away.
The UK is 1000 miles from Iceland, with the rest of Europe a good 2000 miles away. So therefore there will be a very very little effect.
And test flights have confirmed that the Met Office messed up completely.
#17
Hey I'm a seafarer, the longer the aircraft are grounded the more people realise that as an island nation we rely heavily on our merchant navy but pay it scant regard.
The issue is safety, would you be prepared to fly if the engines could fail at 35,000feet? If the engines fail on a ship then it doesn't sink, and if the worst comes to the worst we launch lifeboats. The last time I flew I must have missed the launching procedure for the life planes!
#18
Test flights prove nothing as one flight may not pass through the ash when another just might.
#19
pinkleponkle
Test flights prove nothing as one flight may not pass through the ash when another just might.


+1

everyone will be up in uproar if just 1 plane crashes to me its just not worth the risk
suspended#20
pinkleponkle
Test flights prove nothing as one flight may not pass through the ash when another just might.


Test flights prove nothing? Well how the hell are we supposed to know if it's ever safe to fly then? lol, great logic on this thread.
banned#21
I bet those that live near airports have never had it so quiet. They must be hoping this goes on for weeks!
#22
At the end of the day have the insurance companies deemed the situation to be safe enough to fly and will they be willing to underwrite the cost of a plane + lives, since I doubt any airline would fly if their insurance underwriter refused to payout under these conditions (even if the single test flight seemed ok).
#23
DarkKnight
Test flights prove nothing? Well how the hell are we supposed to know if it's ever safe to fly then? lol, great logic on this thread.


A handful of test flights will mean it's safe for the hundreds that fly across the area every day? think it through. It only takes 1 plane to fail and imagine the horror that would bring
#24
To add to any conspiracy theories out there, my brother was stuck in Belgium yesterday and travelled to the Eurostar at Brussels after booking tickets. He arrived at Brussels and found there to be hundreds of people waiting to buy tickets only to be told there were no seats left, already having his he boarded the train to find it left less than half full as it left for London. Weird.

What will happen if this cloud hangs around for weeks / months?
#25
greg_68
To add to any conspiracy theories out there, my brother was stuck in Belgium yesterday and travelled to the Eurostar at Brussels after booking tickets. He arrived at Brussels and found there to be hundreds of people waiting to buy tickets only to be told there were no seats left, already having his he boarded the train to find it left less than half full as it left for London. Weird.


Bear in mind alot of people would have bought tickets assuming they would be able to travel the distance they started from to the Eurostar in time for departure, clearly alot didnt make it.
suspended#26
pinkleponkle
A handful of test flights will mean it's safe for the hundreds that fly across the area every day? think it through. It only takes 1 plane to fail and imagine the horror that would bring


So what are you suggesting in order to get flights up and running then? Wait for 2 years until the volcano stops erupting?
#27
They can monitor the cloud movement, they have the ability to see it with equipment.
suspended#28
pinkleponkle
They can monitor the cloud movement, they have the ability to see it with equipment.


Thats on computers, test flights can get a real sense of whats happening.
And still, like i said, this volcano can erupt for years, so why bother watching the cloud?
#29
DarkKnight
Thats on computers, test flights can get a real sense of whats happening.
And still, like i said, this volcano can erupt for years, so why bother watching the cloud?


All that test flight proves is that:

On a particular flight, at a particular time and height, on a particular route, under particular conditions, through particular weather patterns and cloud coverages etc. etc. that the plane suffered no obvious damage.

Or do you not appreciate the idea of why you do experiments?

I have to fly on Thursday for work and back on Friday, would far rather be grounded due to caution than dead.
suspended#30
pghstochaj
All that test flight proves is that:

On a particular flight, at a particular time and height, on a particular route, under particular conditions, through particular weather patterns and cloud coverages etc. etc. that the plane suffered no obvious damage.

Or do you not appreciate the idea of why you do experiments?

I have to fly on Thursday for work and back on Friday, would far rather be grounded due to caution than dead.


If you bothered to read the link, you would know it was not a test flight, but many flights, and with many more test flights planned.
Not one, not two, but three airline companies have performed successful test flights, KLM, British Airways and Lufthansa.
If that's not good enough, then i can fully understand why Britain is the nanny state it's usually referred to.

If only the Germans knew it only took a threat of a cloud of harmless invisible ash to halt all planes from taking off, then they could have easily won the war.
#31
im amazed how many people would put there safety at risk , I wouldnt fly at the moment
#32
Restrictions stay in uk until 0100hrs Tuesday. So safety before money it seems.
#33
Its not just a UK thing as flights have been almost completely grounded right across Europe. Cant blame Gordon for this one.
Personally I would be a bit peeved if an airliner decided to drop from the sky over my house. Should only be allowed to take off from the coast so they can ditch at sea (for those who want to test things) :-D
Unsure if my house insurance would cover the necessary rebuilding costs. What would you put on the claim form?
#34
If the other volcano blows too they reckon it's all over for a long time full stop.
suspended#35
river
im amazed how many people would put there safety at risk , I wouldnt fly at the moment


There is nothing to risk. It's 100% safe to fly in Europe, the only danger zone is and always has been Iceland.
Can't believe people are still believing this crap. Yesterday i enjoyed a day with one of the bluest skys ever, no sign of any clouds, be it ash or normal. I'm sure i wasn't the only one to have experienced that?
banned#36
DarkKnight
There is nothing to risk. It's 100% safe to fly in Europe, the only danger zone is and always has been Iceland.
Can't believe people are still believing this crap. Yesterday i enjoyed a day with one of the bluest skys ever, no sign of any clouds, be it ash or normal. I'm sure i wasn't the only one to have experienced that?


And your only theory for not flying is we live in a nanny state?
#37
With BA losing £25 million a day, they must think there's nothing at risk too.
banned#38
If you were in charge Darkknight I think I would personally pay to have you silenced :roll:

Why do you have such enthusiasm to get the flights going, got shares in one of the airlines or something?
#39
DarkKnight

If only the Germans knew it only took a threat of a cloud of harmless invisible ash to halt all planes from taking off, then they could have easily won the war.


lmao, how many pressurised cabin planes were there around at that time...................

dumb **** of the day
banned#40
Alfonse
lmao, how many pressurised cabin planes were there around at that time...................

dumb **** of the day


Just the day?

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