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This Wikileaks revenge stuff-is it technically difficult?

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Im genuinely interested-not in HOW to do it btw,but just in whether this is high powered,technically clever stuff that takes a genius,or is it "bedroom hacker" material? I understand that despite… Read More
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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
Im genuinely interested-not in HOW to do it btw,but just in whether this is high powered,technically clever stuff that takes a genius,or is it "bedroom hacker" material?

I understand that despite the news continually going on about "hacking",that isnt really whats being done is it? they are bombarding card sites/paypal and amazon with bogus requests and crashing them.

But my basic question is-is this stuff that requires extremely skilful computer code knowledge or is it fairly basic stuff?

just curious
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6y, 6m agoPosted 6 years, 6 months ago
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#1
Is it just DDOS attacking? You can do that with just a program.

I think 90% of people who think they're hackers, aren't; they just softmodded their Wii and feel like Rain man.
[mod]#2
They aren't difficult to do............but they are illegal. lol
#3
I'd be curious to know how much is down to determination and genius versus insider knowledge and/or palm-greasing.
#4
Syzable
They aren't difficult to do............but they are illegal. lol


Is DDOS illegal? or are they using something else... I don't know much about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Payback


OP, Quite a few of the hackers are from a site called 4chan. Don't know if you've heard of it before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan

They have done some pretty cool stuff.

Also, I advise you not to visit their site..

Edited By: SkinnyPanda on Dec 09, 2010 18:17
[mod]#5
Has Paul upset you barky...........are you going to cripple HUKD?

If so then give me 10 to scan the deals first. lol
#6
Syzable
Has Paul upset you barky...........are you going to cripple HUKD?If so then give me 10 to scan the deals first. lol

lol-no m8-like I said,Im just curious,because the way the news keep banging on about it they make out these guys are geniuses,so I wondered whether that was true or whether its something someone with a basic grasp of programming could do.
[mod]#7
SkinnyPanda
Syzable
They aren't difficult to do............but they are illegal. lol


Is DDOS illegal? or are they using something else... I don't know much about it.


OP, Quite a few of the hackers are from a site called 4chan. Don't know if you've heard of it before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan


They have done some pretty cool stuff.

Also, I advise you not to visit their site..


Maybe illegal is the wrong word as i don't know if you can be prosecuted but you would lose any internet connection. Barky will tell us next week. lol
[mod]#8
barky
Syzable
Has Paul upset you barky...........are you going to cripple HUKD?If so then give me 10 to scan the deals first. lol


lol-no m8-like I said,Im just curious,because the way the news keep banging on about it they make out these guys are geniuses,so I wondered whether that was true or whether its something someone with a basic grasp of programming could do.


No, they aren't geniuses..........me and you could do it in minutes Barky. :)

The geniuses are those like that chap with Aspergers who the yanks want sending over........he is a proper hacker who can actually get into FBI databases etc.
#9
SkinnyPanda
Syzable
They aren't difficult to do............but they are illegal. lol


Is DDOS illegal? or are they using something else... I don't know much about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Payback



OP, Quite a few of the hackers are from a site called 4chan. Don't know if you've heard of it before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan


They have done some pretty cool stuff.

Also, I advise you not to visit their site..


"In the Police and Justice Act 2006, the United Kingdom specifically outlawed denial-of-service attacks and set a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison"

also 4chan is just full of 15 year olds that think theyre hackers.
#10
Is it classed as cyber-terrorism or something else ? I'm too fascinated by it & apparently they are using LOIC, this isn't the program but from wikipedia, although the program is readily available from most favourite download sites. It is amazing how this can be carried out quite easy.
#11
lilsmithy
SkinnyPanda
Syzable
They aren't difficult to do............but they are illegal. lol


Is DDOS illegal? or are they using something else... I don't know much about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Payback



OP, Quite a few of the hackers are from a site called 4chan. Don't know if you've heard of it before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan


They have done some pretty cool stuff.

Also, I advise you not to visit their site..


"In the Police and Justice Act 2006, the United Kingdom specifically outlawed denial-of-service attacks and set a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison"

also 4chan is just full of 15 year olds that think theyre hackers.


The old /b/ wasn't full of 15 year olds who thought they were hackers. Jus' Sayin'

Most of the stuff you see on the internet either originated or became popular from /b/.
#12
A DDoS attack works by having a large amount of computers send garbage data to a server to overload it and cause it to fail. This isn't really 'hacking' the server as it's simply overwhelming the server in the same way if a site has a good sale and too many people are on at once and crash it.

The hacking part comes into it when you're establishing the network of computers to bring down the site known as a botnet and frequently most of the computers participating in a DDoS attack are doing so without the owner's consent. If I wanted to bring down a site via DDoS myself I'd have to write a virus or piece of malware to take advantage of some security vulnerability and then distribute it in some fashion such as infecting PCs when they visited a compromised webpage. When a PC is infected the user won't notice anything different as the malware will sit quietly in the background, waiting to be activated. The bigger the site, the more infected machines will be required in the botnet to bring it down and once there are enough machines infected and online the malware is activated and starts attacking the chosen website.

You get the so called 'script kiddies' who don't develop the code themselves and instead download other people's work and use that to try and bring down sites which there's nothing particularly clever about or difficult to do.

The Wikileaks revenge attacks are slightly different as I believe they're offering people the package to install on their PC to voluntarily make it part of the botnet attacking the sites, a bit like [email protected] but with the negative purpose of bringing down a website.

John

Edited By: Johnmcl7 on Dec 09, 2010 19:08
#13
is that traceable back to the original infected or not infected computer/s that it came from ?
#14
richp
is that traceable back to the original infected or not infected computer/s that it came from ?

It's possible to record the ip addresses that the attacks are coming from at the server side but these are of little use as most machines will be doing so without the knowledge of the owner which is why there's no effort made to conceal any of that. The person carrying out the attack will be a lot more careful to cover their tracks though to prevent them being traced from any of the infected machines in the botnet.

John
#15
Very illegal, and arrests will be made...

Why would any one want to do this anyway????

Bring down Paypal?? Why??


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11961333
banned 1 Like #16
Chiptivo
Very illegal, and arrests will be made...

Why would any one want to do this anyway????

Bring down Paypal?? Why??


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11961333


Because Paypal said it doesn't want to do business with a terrorist supporting organisation.

If there ever was any doubts that's what they are, it should be clear enough now.
suspended#17
guv
Chiptivo
Very illegal, and arrests will be made...

Why would any one want to do this anyway????

Bring down Paypal?? Why??


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11961333


Because Paypal said it doesn't want to do business with a terrorist supporting organisation.

If there ever was any doubts that's what they are, it should be clear enough now.


Lolness. Terrorist supporting because all they do is reveal the truth? Good on them i say, Paypal sucks.
banned 3 Likes #18
DarkKnight
Lolness. Terrorist supporting because all they do is reveal the truth? Good on them i say, Paypal sucks.


Wow... You support publishing details including locations of sensitive sites ripe for terrorist attacks.......... oh wait, you support terrorism, so there is no wow!
#19
SkinnyPanda
lilsmithy
SkinnyPanda
Syzable
They aren't difficult to do............but they are illegal. lol


Is DDOS illegal? or are they using something else... I don't know much about it.
[url=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Payback



OP, Quite a few of the hackers are from a site called 4chan. Don't know if you've heard of it before.
[url=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan


They have done some pretty cool stuff.

Also, I advise you not to visit their site..


"In the Police and Justice Act 2006, the United Kingdom specifically outlawed denial-of-service attacks and set a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison"

also 4chan is just full of 15 year olds that think theyre hackers.


The old /b/ wasn't full of 15 year olds who thought they were hackers. Jus' Sayin'

Most of the stuff you see on the internet either originated or became popular from /b/.


I'm genuinely concerned about anyone who admits to frequenting the 4chan website given what I've heard/read about some of the content on there.
suspended#20
guv
DarkKnight
Lolness. Terrorist supporting because all they do is reveal the truth? Good on them i say, Paypal sucks.


Wow... You support publishing details including locations of sensitive sites ripe for terrorist attacks.........!


Eh? explain...
Of course the truth needs to be told, it's our right you know. Or do you prefer to be kept in the dark and fed lies by the media/government?
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DarkKnight
guv
DarkKnight
Lolness. Terrorist supporting because all they do is reveal the truth? Good on them i say, Paypal sucks.


Wow... You support publishing details including locations of sensitive sites ripe for terrorist attacks.........!


Eh? explain...
Of course the truth needs to be told, it's our right you know. Or do you prefer to be kept in the dark and fed lies by the media/government?

Why as a UK Citizen, it it your right to know where sensitive/key US installations lie?
banned#22
DarkKnight
Eh? explain...
Of course the truth needs to be told, it's our right you know. Or do you prefer to be kept in the dark and fed lies by the media/government?


Are you trying to say you weren't aware it had published lists of strategic and sensitive targets in the UK and elsewhere in the world? Your "truths" cost lives and is nothing more than a teach yourself terrorist encyclopaedia.
#23
deek72
I'm genuinely concerned about anyone who admits to frequenting the 4chan website given what I've heard/read about some of the content on there.


u broke the rule man, not cool.
all of you. i am dissapoint
#24
deek72
SkinnyPanda
lilsmithy
SkinnyPanda
Syzable
They aren't difficult to do............but they are illegal. lol


Is DDOS illegal? or are they using something else... I don't know much about it.
[url= target=][/url]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Payback
" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Payback



OP, Quite a few of the hackers are from a site called 4chan. Don't know if you've heard of it before.
[url= target=][/url]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan
" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan


They have done some pretty cool stuff.

Also, I advise you not to visit their site..


"In the Police and Justice Act 2006, the United Kingdom specifically outlawed denial-of-service attacks and set a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison"

also 4chan is just full of 15 year olds that think theyre hackers.


The old /b/ wasn't full of 15 year olds who thought they were hackers. Jus' Sayin'

Most of the stuff you see on the internet either originated or became popular from /b/.


I'm genuinely concerned about anyone who admits to frequenting the 4chan website given what I've heard/read about some of the content on there.


Oh I don't visit /b/ on a regular basis. If I ever do it would only be like 3-5 before I get bored.

Boom123
deek72
I'm genuinely concerned about anyone who admits to frequenting the 4chan website given what I've heard/read about some of the content on there.


u broke the rule man, not cool.
all of you. i am dissapoint


Shut up newfag. It is people like you who ruin /b/

son i am dissapiont.
suspended#25
Paddy_o_furniture

Why as a UK Citizen, it it your right to know where sensitive/key US installations lie?


The information they release is not specific to the US, there is a lot of information relevant to the UK. Also most other countries have Freedom of Information Acts, including the US, so the folks over in the states have a right to know too.

guv


Are you trying to say you weren't aware it had published lists of strategic and sensitive targets in the UK and elsewhere in the world? Your "truths" cost lives and is nothing more than a teach yourself terrorist encyclopaedia.


None of the information released has cost lives, give me an example where it has.

And to you both, anybody can know what the strategic and sensitive targets are in the world without the need for Wikileaks reports.
#26
Boom123
deek72
I'm genuinely concerned about anyone who admits to frequenting the 4chan website given what I've heard/read about some of the content on there.


u broke the rule man, not cool.
all of you. i am dissapoint


:|
banned#27
DarkKnight
None of the information released has cost lives.................


Yet....

So what exactly is the purpose of supplying targets that would be "good" (in your eyes) to hit?

And to you both, anybody can know what the strategic and sensitive targets are in the world without the need for Wikileaks reports.


So I ask again, what was the purpose of publishing the list unless of course the intentions were to assist terrorism?

There is simply no justification, nor any other conclusion to draw.
#28
lilsmithy
"In the Police and Justice Act 2006, the United Kingdom specifically outlawed denial-of-service attacks and set a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison"

also 4chan is just full of 15 year olds that think theyre hackers.


They are hackers hoping to be crackers when their skill increases.

In the meantime, they are literally just crackers by calling themselves hackers (when they mean crackers).

It is a common misunderstanding of the two different terms. Like confusing Asperger['s] syndrome [see Gary McKinnon] with Autism (see Raymond Babbitt in "Rain Man" based on [Laurence] Kim Peek who was not autistic but was a "megasavant"; an individual will advanced Savant syndrome).

BFN,

fp.
suspended#29
guv


So what exactly is the purpose of supplying targets that would be "good" (in your eyes) to hit?


Guv, like i said, Give me an example of where Wikileaks has cost lives, or is this just a wild assumption?

So I ask again, what was the purpose of publishing the list unless of course the intentions were to assist terrorism?

There is simply no justification, nor any other conclusion to draw.


Because most of the leaks were about the Iraq/Afghan wars and political information, that's the point.
Without Wikileaks, we wouldn't have proof of the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq from the Apache, among other cases of brutal torture and murder. This is example of something that should be released as it needs to stop.

I would say Google is a much more valuable tool to a potential terrorist then even a millions times what Wikileaks produced, as they can view satellite photos of most places in the world, photos, videos etc. if Google "costs lives", then maybe you should ban that, or just ban the internet entirely? :)
banned#30
DarkKnight
guv


So what exactly is the purpose of supplying targets that would be "good" (in your eyes) to hit?


Guv, like i said, Give me an example of where Wikileaks has cost lives, or is this just a wild assumption?


You didn't answer the question on what the purpose of releasing that information was.

So I ask again, what was the purpose of publishing the list unless of course the intentions were to assist terrorism?

There is simply no justification, nor any other conclusion to draw.


Because most of the leaks were about the Iraq/Afghan wars and political information, that's the point.
Without Wikileaks, we wouldn't have proof of the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq from the Apache, among other cases of brutal torture and murder. This is example of something that should be released as it needs to stop.


Strangely, most of the "new batch" seems to damage and destabilise even more the middle East with the revelations that numerous near neighbours wanted the US to bomb the crap out of Iran. Strong backfire for ya huh!

Wikileaks breeds nutcases (and sex offenders allegedly)

I would say Google is a much more valuable tool to a potential terrorist then even a millions times what Wikileaks produced, as they can view satellite photos of most places in the world, photos, videos etc. if Google "costs lives", then maybe you should ban that, or just ban the internet entirely? :)


LOL at Dark Knight thinking Google Maps have directions and signs saying "Bomb this".


Edited By: guv on Dec 09, 2010 23:54
#31
I bet it wasn't so much the individuals that brought down Mastercard et al. It was probably mostly due to some **** off guy who controls a botnet. Or multiple guys with botnets.
#32
guv
LOL at Dark Knight thinking Google Maps have directions and signs saying "Bomb this".


If Google Maps doesn't, Google Images does:

Search criteria

BFN,

fp.
#33
Generally they hijack a large number computers to make the requests using a worm. The person who wrote the worm is very talented but that isn't usually the person running the DOS attack.
banned#34
fanpages
guv
LOL at Dark Knight thinking Google Maps have directions and signs saying "Bomb this".


If Google Maps doesn't, Google Images does:

Search criteria

BFN,

fp.


Was this image deliberate?

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6510304,00.jpg
suspended#35
guv

You didn't answer the question on what the purpose of releasing that information was.


To give some insight into what is really going on behind the curtains, and to basically give us our rights, our rights to know information.
Can i now have my answer?

Strangely, most of the "new batch" seems to damage and destabilise even more the middle East with the revelations that numerous near neighbours wanted the US to bomb the crap out of Iran. Strong backfire for ya huh!


That's showing that the information they release isn't biased towards a certain country.

Without Wikileaks, we wouldn't have nutcases running around like you.


Wikileaks has been running for what, 4 years now, so it's a new kid on the block. To be honest is not a very informative site (In terms of quality of truth information) and there are much better sources of information than that. It's good that they release stuff though.

LOL at Dark Knight thinking Google Maps have directions and signs saying "Bomb this"


Lol at Guv probably blocking Google like he does with Youtube.
#36
guv

Was this image deliberate?

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6510304,00.jpg


You would have to ask the person throwing the ball what their intentions were.

BFN,

fp.
banned#37
DarkKnight
To give some insight into what is really going on behind the curtains, and to basically give us our rights, our rights to know information.
Can i now have my answer?


That isn't a valid answer. Why do you need or what rights do you have to think you should have access to locations of national security? What's the need to give these lists to terrorists via a terrorist network?

Strangely, most of the "new batch" seems to damage and destabilise even more the middle East with the revelations that numerous near neighbours wanted the US to bomb the crap out of Iran. Strong backfire for ya huh!


That's showing that the information they release isn't biased towards a certain country.


I expected you to say that. So basically the purpose of the site to to cause as much damage as it can and **** anyone who gets hurt. So with the knowledge that Saudi wanted the US to attack Iran, you'd have no problem if the consequence was an attack by Nuclear powered Iran. I expect some things you say on MSN to your terrorist supporting buddies, you'd not want repeated here. Amirte?

Wikileaks has been running for what, 4 years now, so it's a new kid on the block. To be honest is not a very informative site (In terms of quality of truth information) and there are much better sources of information than that. It's good that they release stuff though.


Yes, I expect you prefer other conspiracy theory sites!

Lol at Guv probably blocking Google like he does with Youtube.


So its not just conspiracy sites you hold databases for I see!
banned#38
fanpages


You would have to ask the person throwing the ball what their intentions were.

BFN,

fp.


I did. He said he had no idea why it could be used as a secret nuclear bunker location.
[mod]#39
HUKD = Attracting the most entertaining nutters since 2004
#40
fanpages
You would have to ask the person throwing the ball what their intentions were.


guv
I did. He said he had no idea why it could be used as a secret nuclear bunker location.


That is because if he told you the reason it wouldn't be a secret any longer.

BFN,

fp.

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