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Thoughts on the Playstation Move (Motion Controller)?

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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
Have yet to see a thread on this and thought, "Well seeing as there are some avid gamers on this site lets get the ball rolling."

So at the Game Developers Conference 2010 Sony took the opportunity to finally announce the name and official design of the "Playstation Move" a motion controller peripheral for the Playstation 3 which works together with the Playstation Eye.

Together it allows accurate tracking by the Playstation Eye following the glowing coloured sphere (changing depending on the least colour used in one's surroundings to increase accuracy) on the controller - the user's movement is also enhanced by the camera being able to track the user's location from the camera (z-plane) by measuring the size of the sphere.

Sony intends on providing a wide range of games (with the support of a wide range of developers) which cater both for the casual and hardcore audience, however from the looks of it one would have to purchase a "sub-controller" to enable to play hardcore games (which obviously requires a wider range of inputs - d-pad, analogue...)

Update!:
Since time of post Kotaku (yes I go on their site a lot) has provided an article with "everything you need to know" about the Playstation Move:
http://kotaku.com/5490632/playstation-move-everything-you-need-to-know

Please refer the following links for more details:

Announcement on Playstation EU blog, package details and promotional media:
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2010/03/10/introducing-playstation-move/

Gallery:
http://kotaku.com/5490554/first-look-at-the-delicious-playstation-move-[update]/gallery/

Game developers listed to be making games for the peripheral:
http://kotaku.com/5490698/these-companies-are-making-games-for-the-playstation-move

Kotaku journalist's take on the differences between this and the Wiimote:
http://kotaku.com/5490574/how-the-playstation-move-is-not-a-wii-remote

BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8556882.stm

Recording of Sony's presentation at the GDC:
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2010/03/10/live-from-gdc-2010-playstation-press-conference/

Looks interesting so far and the technology behind it seems at first glance to be superior to Nintendo's Wiimote - obviously it's still early to make a judgement till the consumer gets it in their hands and sees for themselves and it also depends on the software (games) that need to utilise the peripheral effectively.

One concern I have is that it all seems to be quite expensive overall - most of the games demonstrated require using two Move devices so for someone to play with a friend on the same system they would logically require 4.

Furthermore for those who want to use the Move for hardcore categorised games would also need to buy a sub-controller (unless one is able to use the dual shock 3 in a less comfortable manner as demonstrated with RE5).

All this including the Playstation Eye camera and with the BBC reporting it to cost "under $100 (£47)" which I would imagine would be a basic package I wonder how much it would all cost especially for those who have one system and therefore would be buying a lot of additional Move devices to cater everyone's gaming preferences...

How it competes to Microsoft's Natal? For me it's too early to say, seeing as Microsoft have yet to say what games will be available at launch or the retail price of it would be.

Neither have shown fully completed games for their motion controllers and both intend on packaging it with newly purchased consoles (perhaps current console packs will then be cheaper?) so depending on console purchases there should be a significant install base.

[eek, I'm out of thoughts...]

Thoughts anyone so I have time to formulate my own - suddenly under a mind block... ugh..

PS: Think I approached this in a neutral manner to save being deemed a fanboy no?
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#1
Update!:
Since time of post Kotaku (yes I go on their site a lot) has provided an article with "everything you need to know" about the Playstation Move:
http://kotaku.com/5490632/playstation-move-everything-you-need-to-know

Links for those lazy to copy and paste:

Announcement on Playstation EU blog, package details and promotional media:
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2010/03/10/introducing-playstation-move/

Gallery:
http://kotaku.com/5490554/first-look-at-the-delicious-playstation-move-[update]/gallery/

Game developers listed to be making games for the peripheral:
http://kotaku.com/5490698/these-companies-are-making-games-for-the-playstation-move

Kotaku journalist's take on the differences between this and the Wiimote:
http://kotaku.com/5490574/how-the-playstation-move-is-not-a-wii-remote

BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8556882.stm

Recording of Sony's presentation at the GDC:
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2010/03/10/live-from-gdc-2010-playstation-press-conference/
#2
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banned#3
it looks RIDICULOUS!

and to think the PS3 fanboys knock Natal!

both Natal & the wand look pants to me

Sony should try and focus on making the Sixaxis controller have a point, its pointless currently
banned#4
doubles as a sex toy?
#5
Looks awful.
#6
Looks crummy but then again they were miles behind the simple wii controller.
banned#7
Console thread never end well in Misc.

"Blarp! Me console am better dan yours"

"Gok Wan! Mine is moer powerful and has hacked gaymes!"

"I pwnge j00s in a shhooting gayme! AYYYAYYYA"

etc etc
#8
I hope this and Natal both fail hard so we can get back to playing games the old fashioned way - sitting back on the couch with the feet up, not waving and jumping about like an idiot in the middle of the floor.
banned#9
I look forward to the day when I can stick my winkle in a game and plug speakers into my chuff
banned#10
ODB_69;8076066
it looks RIDICULOUS!

and to think the PS3 fanboys knock Natal!

both Natal & the wand look pants to me

Sony should try and focus on making the Sixaxis controller have a point, its pointless currently

didnt take long for the 360 fanboy to appear :whistling:
#11
csiman
didnt take long for the 360 fanboy to appear :whistling:


ha too right man,

at least now i dont need to by a wii
banned#12
I predict that the word "fanboy" will be used 807 times in this thread.
#13
Really happy to see that this thread has received quite a lot of responses in a short period of time - nice to get a discussion rolling :)

jubbyme
doubles as a sex toy?


LOL the wiimote got slack for people suggesting software titles on the erotic side of things... especially seeing as it vibrates...

Speaking of vibrates look up "Rez" and "Trance Vibrator" - was a little usb pouched vibrator that one would put in their pocket as they played the music rhythm game... yeah... pocket...

lastlaststar
Looks awful.


Really? Looks quite ergonomic but won't know till I actually get a hold of one.

Adam2050
Looks crummy but then again they were miles behind the simple wii controller.


This isn't exactly new technology seeing as the concept was in development for the PS2 and that generation of the Playstation Eye (Eye Toy?), it is newish in a sense that it's a step up from it I guess.

DanJackson
Console thread never end well in Misc.

"Blarp! Me console am better dan yours"

"Gok Wan! Mine is moer powerful and has hacked gaymes!"

"I pwnge j00s in a shhooting gayme! AYYYAYYYA"

etc etc


lol I hope it won't end that way seeing as I put quite some effort in the hope that some constructive and mature discussion would follow :p

FaithNoMore
I hope this and Natal both fail hard so we can get back to playing games the old fashioned way - sitting back on the couch with the feet up, not waving and jumping about like an idiot in the middle of the floor.


Brings me back to my ol Mega Drive days...
Check out the Socom 4 integration with the Playstation Move - also with Resident Evil 4, based on the demonstration they did a while back I don't (well I hope) it won't require me to wave my arms around too much...

csiman
didnt take long for the 360 fanboy to appear :whistling:


In ODB_69's defence he/she does criticise both the Playstation Move and Natal ;) :

ODB_69
it looks RIDICULOUS!

and to think the PS3 fanboys knock Natal!

both Natal & the wand look pants to me

Sony should try and focus on making the Sixaxis controller have a point, its pointless currently
#14
FaithNoMore
I hope this and Natal both fail hard so we can get back to playing games the old fashioned way - sitting back on the couch with the feet up, not waving and jumping about like an idiot in the middle of the floor.


+1

I can just see a bunch of crappy gimmick games being made once Natal and Move come out - just like the Wii has. I have to say, Natal does look pretty innovative (still not something i'd be interested in though) but this Move peripheral just looks like a knock off Wiimote and a half arsed attempt at capturing the Wii's target audience.
The PS3, with it's price tag, isn't something which your folks are going to buy to have a laugh with when the family come over. PS3 + Move = expensive. Expensive = fail.
banned#15
csiman;8076269
didnt take long for the 360 fanboy to appear :whistling:


tony_dudz;8076285
ha too right man,


oh look the sites biggest PS3 fanboys...I expect the other one to be along soon, love how Sony bring something out that looks like a pile of crap and you jump to its defence. It looks ridiculous, as does Natal, but at least Natal is trying for something different rather than copying the Wii controller....they are copying the PS2 eye camera instead :lol:

sorry lads, remind me again....just the 1 console you guys own if I'm right?

360, PS3 & Wii for me :)
#16
csiman
didnt take long for the 360 fanboy to appear :whistling:


didnt take long for the troll to appear either:roll: did you not notice he criticised both before jumping in thick end first


not my cup of tea this dancing about business ill leave it to the kids

happy to stay playing games the normal way
#17
oldmanhouse
+1

I can just see a bunch of crappy gimmick games being made once Natal and Move come out - just like the Wii has. I have to say, Natal does look pretty innovative (still not something i'd be interested in though) but this Move peripheral just looks like a knock off Wiimote and a half arsed attempt at capturing the Wii's target audience.
The PS3, with it's price tag, isn't something which your folks are going to buy to have a laugh with when the family come over. PS3 + Move = expensive. Expensive = fail.


Natal looks innovative? its just an updated eye toy that SONY have had for years.

Natal looks really limited function wise, i.e. how can you change weapon without a controller?

There is a really good response in the SONY article in bitter wallet by MoveOverWii, make clever reading.....
banned#18
DJNG22;8076616
Natal looks really limited function wise, i.e. how can you change weapon without a controller?


grabbing your sack I hear
#19
thegroutch
none of these seem to be overly innovative, just re-hashing old ideas


the concept has been there a while but actually making it work properly at a gaming level takes innovation

i thinik it may have moved on from the ps2 eye gaming experience.......

yet none of us know until it gets released what the actual experience will be like
#20
ODB_69
grabbing your sack I hear


:-D, I just dont see how Natal will survive long term without some device with buttons. We will have to see when it finally comes out.

However the same reason I would never buy a Wii maybe the same reason I might not go for Natal or Move, They need to focus on playability and not novelty.
suspended#21
DanJackson
I predict that the word "fanboy" will be used 807 times in this thread.


As predicted, ODB has so far used the word in every post he's made on this thread. Expect it to be much higher :thumbsup:
banned#22
ODB_69;8076066
it looks RIDICULOUS!

and to think the PS3 fanboys knock Natal!

both Natal & the wand look pants to me

Sony should try and focus on making the Sixaxis controller have a point, its pointless currently


ODB_69;8076586
oh look the sites biggest PS3 fanboys...I expect the other one to be along soon, love how Sony bring something out that looks like a pile of crap and you jump to its defence. It looks ridiculous, as does Natal, but at least Natal is trying for something different rather than copying the Wii controller....they are copying the PS2 eye camera instead :lol:

sorry lads, remind me again....just the 1 console you guys own if I'm right?

360, PS3 & Wii for me :)


ODB_69;8076629
grabbing your sack I hear


DarkKnight;8076714
As predicted, ODB has so far used the word in every post he's made on this thread. Expect it to be much higher :thumbsup:


2/3 actually

nice try but FAIL


Count this as 2/4 as I already referred to you :thumbsup:
#23
Full summary with "everything you need to know" about the Playstation Move (updated the 1st post too):
http://kotaku.com/5490632/playstation-move-everything-you-need-to-know

What's up with the fire over nothing?
After all ODB_69's first post on this thread didn't express any fondness to either motion controller by Microsoft or Sony.

With Natal and Playstation Move it seems that both are capable of doing similar things - the way in which it is done is of course different (Move using the glowing spheres and gyroscopes, Natal analysing and creating a skeleton figure of the user and marking key joints and points of the body using 3 cameras - both able to measure in the Z-plane).

The question on my mind is the execution both in gaming AND, in Natal's case which they have promoted, general interface interaction.

IMO as it stands in regards to information being announced from both companies Sony has the 1up seeing as they have demonstrated the implementation of the device in both casual and hardcore games suggesting that motion control can potentially be more than a gimmick - plus with it's list of publishers/developers supporting the device time can only tell what software is released.

Where I feel Sony have missed the mark is their lack of, if any effort to try and get the upper hand in general interaction using the Move - granted the XMB is simple to navigate it would of been good for them to show potential in using the Move for other things than gaming (using it with the web browser for example).

As stated, Microsoft have yet to give the full details with Natal but where I think it does shine right now is the application of it beyond gaming.

Lastly again I find an issue with the pricing:

Kotaku.com
HOW MUCH DOES IT COST?

The Move will be available in three packages: a standalone Move (for consumers that already own a PlayStation Eye camera), a bundle that includes the Move and PlayStation Eye, and a hardware pack that includes the Move, PlayStation Eye and PlayStation 3 console.

While pricing details for the standalone pack and PS3 bundle are unavailable at this time, the Move + PlayStation Eye option will cost $99.


It's still not clear as to what the "Move" itself be packaged with... 1 device? 2? with or without the sub-controller?
I know I'll be looking to find a Playstation Eye on the cheap if it turns out to be a very basic set up for $99...

Microsoft's move now I guess...
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ODB_69
2/3 actually

nice try but FAIL


Count this as 2/4 as I already referred to you :thumbsup:


20,000 Posts... Congrats :thumbsup::gift:
#25
i will always prefer dual analogue stick gaming better but ill definatly try this out too.

the most accurate and fastest motion controller of the 3 major ones and has the fewest flaws.....the games dont look completely noobish either.

pricing will make natal sell more units initially but the move will sell more in the long run, just like xbox and ps3 consoles.
#26
wow the natal looks sooooooo cool, bet its not acurate enough thou
#27
Natal is just a more sophisticated EyeToy, and the problem with that is that you're not holding anything, which is much needed in gaming. I don't want to pretend to play a guitar, I don't want to pretend to swing a gofl club/tennis racquet, and I don't want to pretend to hold a gun. Yeah, plastic peripheral versions of these look daft, but you do need something tangible to work with to give you a gaming experience.

Similarly, the Move will intrigue people like me, just as I was intrigued with the Wii, but the novelty fades quickly. When the Wii came out, I had that overwhelming feeling of "yeah, this is ok, but it still doesn't let me move naturally and enjoy a game"...then Wii Motion Plus came out - I got one of them, and marvelled at the improved accuracy on games like Tiger Woods and Grand Slam Tennis - but very quickly it became obvious I couldn't apply spin every time on tennis, or hook every time on Tiger - because there are too many nuances of the system that stop it from working 100% slickly.

If Move comes out, and it's pinpoint accurate on all axes, at all speeds, then i'm interested - as long as they create some great software to make it worth it. Otherwise, I'll be reduced to watching this oversized bingo dabber from afar...
#28
SirBargainsALot
Natal is just a more sophisticated EyeToy, and the problem with that is that you're not holding anything, which is much needed in gaming. I don't want to pretend to play a guitar, I don't want to pretend to swing a gofl club/tennis racquet, and I don't want to pretend to hold a gun. Yeah, plastic peripheral versions of these look daft, but you do need something tangible to work with to give you a gaming experience.

Similarly, the Move will intrigue people like me, just as I was intrigued with the Wii, but the novelty fades quickly. When the Wii came out, I had that overwhelming feeling of "yeah, this is ok, but it still doesn't let me move naturally and enjoy a game"...then Wii Motion Plus came out - I got one of them, and marvelled at the improved accuracy on games like Tiger Woods and Grand Slam Tennis - but very quickly it became obvious I couldn't apply spin every time on tennis, or hook every time on Tiger - because there are too many nuances of the system that stop it from working 100% slickly.

If Move comes out, and it's pinpoint accurate on all axes, at all speeds, then i'm interested - as long as they create some great software to make it worth it. Otherwise, I'll be reduced to watching this oversized bingo dabber from afar...



+1
suspended#29
SirBargainsALot
Natal is just a more sophisticated EyeToy, and the problem with that is that you're not holding anything, which is much needed in gaming. I don't want to pretend to play a guitar, I don't want to pretend to swing a gofl club/tennis racquet, and I don't want to pretend to hold a gun. Yeah, plastic peripheral versions of these look daft, but you do need something tangible to work with to give you a gaming experience.

Similarly, the Move will intrigue people like me, just as I was intrigued with the Wii, but the novelty fades quickly. When the Wii came out, I had that overwhelming feeling of "yeah, this is ok, but it still doesn't let me move naturally and enjoy a game"...then Wii Motion Plus came out - I got one of them, and marvelled at the improved accuracy on games like Tiger Woods and Grand Slam Tennis - but very quickly it became obvious I couldn't apply spin every time on tennis, or hook every time on Tiger - because there are too many nuances of the system that stop it from working 100% slickly.

If Move comes out, and it's pinpoint accurate on all axes, at all speeds, then i'm interested - as long as they create some great software to make it worth it. Otherwise, I'll be reduced to watching this oversized bingo dabber from afar...


100% agree.
#30
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/playstation-move-first-hands-on/

Oh dear - here's hoping these problems are mostly due to the software presented still in its development.
Nonetheless I hope they (be it Sony in-house developers or third party) learn from the limitations as well as the innovations the Nintendo Wii has achieved so that the games for the Playstation Move at launch don't come out limp.
#31
If its not Mouse and Keyboard or Gamepad then im not interested. The last thing i want to do when playing a game is to start jumping around waving my arms.

Only thing this and Natal is going to do is to attract the Wii gamers to a HD console that has motion control.
#32
Scar
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/playstation-move-first-hands-on/

Oh dear - here's hoping these problems are mostly due to the software presented still in its development.
Nonetheless I hope they (be it Sony in-house developers or third party) learn from the limitations as well as the innovations the Nintendo Wii has achieved so that the games for the Playstation Move at launch don't come out limp.


"as long as they create some great software to make it worth it. Otherwise, I'll be reduced to watching this oversized bingo dabber from afar... "

thats exactly whats going to happen......it will hardly be sucessful at launch but as developers get used to it and its price drops, it will sell a lot.
same will happen to natal as well but it will have a price advantage.......pachter thinks it will be $50.
banned#33
Scar;8076955
After all ODB_69's first post on this thread didn't express any fondness to either motion controller by Microsoft or Sony.


they dont like the fact I own both but point out the flaws of the PS3 (just like I do with the 360).
EG.
PS3 - RUBBISH console, great media centre
360 - RUBBISH media centre, great console

krazie2004;8077007
20,000 Posts... Congrats :thumbsup::gift:


thanks!

fps_d0minat0r;8077517
the most accurate and fastest motion controller of the 3 major ones and has the fewest flaws.....the games dont look completely noobish either..


I dont see how it has the fewest flaws, its not as comfy (hence many dual owners getting the adaptor to use the 360 controller) and it disconnects on start a lot (though I know some have same probs with 360)
Games hardly look noobish, thats a bit too biased, try and be objective
360 has some nice games but same as 360 really
SirBargainsALot;8077644
Natal is just a more sophisticated EyeToy, and the problem with that is that you're not holding anything, which is much needed in gaming. I don't want to pretend to play a guitar, I don't want to pretend to swing a gofl club/tennis racquet, and I don't want to pretend to hold a gun. Yeah, plastic peripheral versions of these look daft, but you do need something tangible to work with to give you a gaming experience.

Similarly, the Move will intrigue people like me, just as I was intrigued with the Wii, but the novelty fades quickly. When the Wii came out, I had that overwhelming feeling of "yeah, this is ok, but it still doesn't let me move naturally and enjoy a game"...then Wii Motion Plus came out - I got one of them, and marvelled at the improved accuracy on games like Tiger Woods and Grand Slam Tennis - but very quickly it became obvious I couldn't apply spin every time on tennis, or hook every time on Tiger - because there are too many nuances of the system that stop it from working 100% slickly.

If Move comes out, and it's pinpoint accurate on all axes, at all speeds, then i'm interested - as long as they create some great software to make it worth it. Otherwise, I'll be reduced to watching this oversized bingo dabber from afar...


true, odds are rubbish games and a rubbish 'tool'

HOWEVER

they arent bringing this out to have a gimmick, same as Natal,,,,think long term and think future consoles, look at the wireless controllers we have now for instance
#34
ODB_69
they dont like the fact I own both but point out the flaws of the PS3 (just like I do with the 360).
EG.
PS3 - RUBBISH console, great media centre
360 - RUBBISH media centre, great console





in your opinion, how is the ps3 a rubbish console?
and btw i owned both, played gears and halo etc
banned#35
oldmanhouse
+1

I can just see a bunch of crappy gimmick games being made once Natal and Move come out - just like the Wii has. I have to say, Natal does look pretty innovative (still not something i'd be interested in though) but this Move peripheral just looks like a knock off Wiimote and a half arsed attempt at capturing the Wii's target audience.
The PS3, with it's price tag, isn't something which your folks are going to buy to have a laugh with when the family come over. PS3 + Move = expensive. Expensive = fail.


Like you said the natal is based at the wii type market, although it could be fun for 5 minutes. It's only going to be £50 so I think it could be quite popular. Xbox + natal, still cheaper than wii or ps3 + dildo
#36
It looks very homosexual, seems much more accurate n sensitive to the Wii's controller though....$100? Sorry, I'm out.
banned#37
ei8hty5ive
It looks very homosexual, seems much more accurate n sensitive to the Wii's controller though....$100? Sorry, I'm out.


its $100 ? Bit steep. you can get an xbox for less than that.
inb4 im a fanboy for stating fact
and fps_dominator don't talk to me :thumbsup:
#38
ryman1000
its $100 ? Bit steep. you can get an xbox for less than that.
inb4 im a fanboy for stating fact
and fps_dominator don't talk to me :thumbsup:


Are you sure? $100 is about £60 innit?? Xboxs are cheap but not that cheap!! Heard Netals gonna be $150...
banned#39
ei8hty5ive
Are you sure? $100 is about £60 innit?? Xboxs are cheap but not that cheap!! Heard Netals gonna be $150...


its £66, to be accurate but they never convert excatly. Everythings cheaper in america. It'll probably be about £70+. Natal announced unofficially by microsoft to be £50 here. And I bought an xbox a few weeks ago for £70 with a gamepad. Minus the gamepad and its not much more than 60
#40
ei8hty5ive
It looks very homosexual, seems much more accurate n sensitive to the Wii's controller though....$100? Sorry, I'm out.


100$
with the camera, move thing and a game.

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