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2y, 4m agoPosted 2 years, 4 months ago
Some advice needed from Londoners (or anyone who has lived in London recently)
I have been offered a job in London and need some pros & cons with regards to life in London. I am currently from a very small & retentively slow (boring) place and have been around here all my life.
Moving is going to be a big step and i need to come to the right decision, not only for myself but also for my partner & children.
So the basic things i know are that London is expensive and busy. The costs etc i can deal with as the new job will cover it all. I need other prospective points, ideally from those who haven't lived in London all their life and how they adapted to the city.
Also examples of affordable areas close to Greenwich (SE8) that are family friendly and not classed as the main "avoid" areas.
Any advice is appreciated
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2y, 4m agoPosted 2 years, 4 months ago
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1 Like #1
I live in Greenwich. It's alright.

Blackheath, Charlton, Woolwich are good surrounding areas.

Just make sure you're still getting extra pay after you check the rent prices.

Pros would be: Easy to get to anywhere in London via TFL, main city so you'll have more opportunities, loads of schools for the kiddies, loads to do, loads of restaurants and so on.

Cons: Congestion charges, TFL prices, Parking prices, etc.
1 Like #2
KM4353
I live in Greenwich. It's alright.

Blackheath, Charlton, Woolwich are good surrounding areas.

Just make sure you're still getting extra pay after you check the rent prices.

Pros would be: Easy to get to anywhere in London via TFL, main city so you'll have more opportunities, loads of schools for the kiddies, loads to do, loads of restaurants and so on.

Cons: Congestion charges, TFL prices, Parking prices, etc.

Thanks for the info. Pay is fine, I'm looking at an average of £950 rent PCM, that will leave enough money left over to live comfortably. I've heard Bexley is a good area, Any thoughts? Also with regards to the congestion charges, my work isnt based in central so that wont be a problem :)
#3
whatsThePoint
have you started packing yet?

No, i have a couple of months to make my mind up
#4
Aiden1512
KM4353
I live in Greenwich. It's alright.

Blackheath, Charlton, Woolwich are good surrounding areas.

Just make sure you're still getting extra pay after you check the rent prices.

Pros would be: Easy to get to anywhere in London via TFL, main city so you'll have more opportunities, loads of schools for the kiddies, loads to do, loads of restaurants and so on.

Cons: Congestion charges, TFL prices, Parking prices, etc.


Thanks for the info. Pay is fine, I'm looking at an average of £950 rent PCM, that will leave enough money left over to live comfortably. I've heard Bexley is a good area, Any thoughts? Also with regards to the congestion charges, my work isnt based in central so that wont be a problem :)

really only 950pcm for you and family?
(have no idea about london prices tbh)


Edited By: brilly on Jul 16, 2014 10:39
1 Like #5
I moved about 10 years ago, and was also originally from a smaller/quieter city.
I love it here, and moving was one of the best decisions I have made.

One thought though is that £950 a month will not get you much when you are renting.
#6
I have heard and believe to some extent that bringing children up in the country is a very selfish act, I am not talking young children but 10 years onwards as there is nothing for them to do

I was bought up in a small village and had an incredibly boring childhood as there was nothing to do except 'hang out' being in the city will bring wonderful times for your family, but it also has it downsides, there are a lot of weirdo's, lots of noise etc...

but the pro's outweigh the cons, I say go for it
2 Likes #7
I did the opposite OP, chance to start my own business, moved from Manchester to Pembroke Dock (near Tenby)....

I miss....

Bustle of city life
KFC :(
Cinemas
Nightlife

I gained so much more though... and i can always visit citys.
1 Like #8
I recently moved out of London after a ten year stint - best decision ever.

When we lived in London - Greenwich, we were paying £1350 pcm for a small 1 bed flat, just to give you an idea of prices.

Edited By: fandangoxx on Jul 16, 2014 11:10
#9
Thanks all for the advice. My son is 3 atm so i think its the perfect time as i think he'll adjust without a problem. It's a good opportunity i think as it's more money than we earn where we are now, but it's not always about money.
With regards to the rent, we could probably stretch to around £1050 a month, that would be for a 2/3 bed house/flat. It's just a massive change. I previously lived in Liverpool for around 18 months and didnt really ever get used to it, but i think that's because it wasn't really a very nice city to actually live in (no offence to people from Liverpool, I couldnt afford a lot of rent then and so was living in a area that was ......well, let's say it wasnt very nice). I'm trying to take money out of the equation and just concentrate on other reasons for moving or not


Edited By: Aiden1512 on Jul 16, 2014 11:56: Add
#10
Aeschylus
I have heard and believe to some extent that bringing children up in the country is a very selfish act, I am not talking young children but 10 years onwards as there is nothing for them to do

I was bought up in a small village and had an incredibly boring childhood as there was nothing to do except 'hang out' being in the city will bring wonderful times for your family, but it also has it downsides, there are a lot of weirdo's, lots of noise etc...

but the pro's outweigh the cons, I say go for it

Trust me the weirdo's are very much a hallmark for where i am now (Dudley, West Mids)
#11
£1050 will prob get you a 1 bed flat - 2 bed is very unlikely in london nowadays for that price

people are having to move further out of london to rent becuase renting has gone up

if £1050 is gonna be your rental price then realistically you will have to look outside of london such as essex etc and commute in each day
#12
so if you can 'stretch' to x it doesn't sound like money is covered at all
but aren't you making up figures then deciding what you want for the price rather than looking at what each type costs?
wrong way round
#13
Having had a look on Zoopla the average price for a 2/3 bed house, fairly close to the work is around £1250 - Thats just based on random areas. As i dont know which areas are good or bad its not much help really. My mum moved to London 2 years ago and she thinks £950 is enough, but with comments above im not so sure

Also according to this website http://www.london.gov.uk/priorities/housing-land/renting-home/rents-map, Prices for outskirts are pretty good. Like i said theres no reason for me to be close to central London at all

Edited By: Aiden1512 on Jul 16, 2014 11:22
#14
Aiden1512
Having had a look on Zoopla the average price for a 2/3 bed house, fairly close to the work is around £1250 - Thats just based on random areas. As i dont know which areas are good or bad its not much help really. My mum moved to London 2 years ago and she thinks £950 is enough, but with comments above im not so sure

Also according to this website http://www.london.gov.uk/priorities/housing-land/renting-home/rents-map, Prices for outskirts are pretty good. Like i said theres no reason for me to be close to central London at all

Bear in mind the prices can and prob will go up! so what you can afford today will you be able to afford in 2-3 years? London prices are disgusting...

My house is a 5 bed detached Dorma, if i was to rent it out I couldn't get more than £800 a month, and thats with a costal view!
#15
Where were you located in Liverpool?
#16
RiTSo
Where were you located in Liverpool?

Hampstead Road, L6
#17
haritori
Aiden1512
Having had a look on Zoopla the average price for a 2/3 bed house, fairly close to the work is around £1250 - Thats just based on random areas. As i dont know which areas are good or bad its not much help really. My mum moved to London 2 years ago and she thinks £950 is enough, but with comments above im not so sure

Also according to this website http://www.london.gov.uk/priorities/housing-land/renting-home/rents-map, Prices for outskirts are pretty good. Like i said theres no reason for me to be close to central London at all

Bear in mind the prices can and prob will go up! so what you can afford today will you be able to afford in 2-3 years? London prices are disgusting...

My house is a 5 bed detached Dorma, if i was to rent it out I couldn't get more than £800 a month, and thats with a costal view!

Yes very good point about prices going up, But i am hoping by then i will have established my own business & my partner will be in a good position at work
#18
haritori
I did the opposite OP, chance to start my own business, moved from Manchester to Pembroke Dock (near Tenby)....

I miss....

Bustle of city life
KFC :(
Cinemas
Nightlife

I gained so much more though... and i can always visit citys.

Is there no KFC where you are now?
banned 2 Likes #19
The cheapest 2 bed 'house' in Greenwich on Rightmove is £1250 pcm and it is pokey....cheapest 3 bed 'house' is £1400 pcm.

You have to look at the house you live in now and compare the size etc to what you are going to get in Greenwich and think how long you would be happy to live in it. Further out you will get cheaper places but then have to factor in travel costs and travel time etc Also keep in mind that prices for most things are going to be more expensive in Greenwich than Dudley, I worked 3 days a week in and around London for a few years (staying in hotels) and I was surprised at the general prices compared with 'up north' on almost everything. Also the traveling was a nightmare for me by car in and around London.

Take your time and weigh up absolutely everything you can before making any decision.
#20
Aiden1512
haritori
I did the opposite OP, chance to start my own business, moved from Manchester to Pembroke Dock (near Tenby)....

I miss....

Bustle of city life
KFC :(
Cinemas
Nightlife

I gained so much more though... and i can always visit citys.

Is there no KFC where you are now?

lol, no my nearest is a 35 mile dirve.
#21
kick_u_in_the_nuts
£1050 will prob get you a 1 bed flat - 2 bed is very unlikely in london nowadays for that price

people are having to move further out of london to rent becuase renting has gone up

if £1050 is gonna be your rental price then realistically you will have to look outside of london such as essex etc and commute in each day

jeez tats expensive, up here in teesside you can rent a 3-4 semi in a nice area for £600!
3 Likes #22
haritori
Aiden1512
haritori
I did the opposite OP, chance to start my own business, moved from Manchester to Pembroke Dock (near Tenby)....

I miss....

Bustle of city life
KFC :(
Cinemas
Nightlife

I gained so much more though... and i can always visit citys.

Is there no KFC where you are now?

lol, no my nearest is a 35 mile dirve.
Unlucky
http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/03/kim_jong_un_sees_kfc-37685.gif
#23
I don't know about SE prices I doubt they3y are much different but up here in west london you are looking at 800pcm+ for a studio, over 1k for a 1 bed and 1400 ish for a 2 bed. Also bare in mind the suitability of the place for a young child, many flats and most new builds have a combined kitchen lounge so it would be impossible to keep the little one away from kitchen dangers and many don't have proper bathrooms, they just have showers.

again don't know about south but here you are highly unlikely to have any kind of parking facilities if you want to own a car or moped etc.



Edited By: Error440 on Jul 16, 2014 14:36
2 Likes #24
If you are committing to moving to London, please make sure you think it through very thoroughly. Most people in your position ( i.e. with young children) are actually moving the other way due to the high cost of buying. Might you be better looking at somewhere from where you can comfortably commute instead of moving your family again in a few years time when you have the resources to buy? Also, bear in mind that many London schools are oversubscribed and your kids may not get a place in the nursery or school you like. The rental property you can afford may well end being pokey, poorly maintained and without a garden.
#25
You might want to try looking in areas out of Greenwich, by the outskirts of London. Although it will mean that travel is a bit harder, you'll get a better house for that sort of money :)
#26
Stay in the country I'm a country boy get lost in towns oO
#27
OP, can you answer these questions please:

1. How many bedrooms do you want?
2. What's the maximum time you want to spend commuting to work each way?
#28
Transformers
OP, can you answer these questions please:

1. How many bedrooms do you want?
2. What's the maximum time you want to spend commuting to work each way?

I will need a minimum of 2 bedrooms, Max 3. Also i wouldn't mind spending up to around say 70-80 minutes each way to work. That's the time frame I'm used to doing anyway
1 Like #29
king261
kick_u_in_the_nuts
£1050 will prob get you a 1 bed flat - 2 bed is very unlikely in london nowadays for that price

people are having to move further out of london to rent becuase renting has gone up

if £1050 is gonna be your rental price then realistically you will have to look outside of london such as essex etc and commute in each day

jeez tats expensive, up here in teesside you can rent a 3-4 semi in a nice area for £600!

And at least you can still get a Parmo and a decent Pastie! And both without getting ripped off. I miss home :(

OP as a serious suggestion as you said you have plenty of time to decide (I did this myself when I moved to my current job)

Take a few days off work. Go on right move or similar property hunting website, find a few places you like the look of and arrange a couple of viewings. Then visit London for a bit of research.

Look at the viewings as if you really intend to get that property as a future home (be sure not to let the estate agent know you wont ever be interested as you never know if you might need to deal with them again). Ask questions from the agent of things that would matter to you. Spend time looking at some prospective areas you intend to move to, it's no use living in a nice house that's surrounded by not so nice places. Also ensure you enjoy your trip too and maybe arrange to take in a show and a meal with a bit of sightseeing.

Other things to consider would be
- Try the commute from your prospective work to your prospective possible new home area, see if the time the map suggests it will take really lives up to it in practice (I nearly didn't do this and found that one place I considered adding traffic it could take me nearly twice as long as my ideal).
- Visit a local library, speak to the staff about the area as you will often find they are locals or the majority are. Similarly don't refuse an opportunity to get local peoples opinions about the area at restaurants/supermarkets/shops.
- Do try out public transport to get a feel for the main way of getting around.
- Make a list of things that are important to you and your family before you visit so that you can consider them while you explore. Nothing worse than moving into a place and finding out that something you consider to be important like where the nearest chemist is, isn't very near.
- Keep an pen and small pad on you, make notes and comments about things as you travel so that you can discuss them in peace at home together with your partner.
- If anything else it's a big change of pace for most people, my other half when we considered a move to London flat out said no way ever after a visit to recce the place.

I did this all again when I made the big move to where I live now a couple of years ago and it seriously helped me avoid a commute, that I would never have lasted enduring it every day and in one case moving to an area I'd never want to live in, no matter how broke I ended up. In the end, I now live somewhere I like and that is not too much of a commute to work so that I can enjoy time at home rather than on my own in the car.


Edited By: Astec123 on Jul 16, 2014 22:24
banned#30
Astec 123 Superb advice....
#31
Astec123
king261
kick_u_in_the_nuts
£1050 will prob get you a 1 bed flat - 2 bed is very unlikely in london nowadays for that price

people are having to move further out of london to rent becuase renting has gone up

if £1050 is gonna be your rental price then realistically you will have to look outside of london such as essex etc and commute in each day

jeez tats expensive, up here in teesside you can rent a 3-4 semi in a nice area for £600!

And at least you can still get a Parmo and a decent Pastie! And both without getting ripped off. I miss home :(

OP as a serious suggestion as you said you have plenty of time to decide (I did this myself when I moved to my current job)

Take a few days off work. Go on right move or similar property hunting website, find a few places you like the look of and arrange a couple of viewings. Then visit London for a bit of research.

Look at the viewings as if you really intend to get that property as a future home (be sure not to let the estate agent know you wont ever be interested as you never know if you might need to deal with them again). Ask questions from the agent of things that would matter to you. Spend time looking at some prospective areas you intend to move to, it's no use living in a nice house that's surrounded by not so nice places. Also ensure you enjoy your trip too and maybe arrange to take in a show and a meal with a bit of sightseeing.

Other things to consider would be
- Try the commute from your prospective work to your prospective possible new home area, see if the time the map suggests it will take really lives up to it in practice (I nearly didn't do this and found that one place I considered adding traffic it could take me nearly twice as long as my ideal).
- Visit a local library, speak to the staff about the area as you will often find they are locals or the majority are. Similarly don't refuse an opportunity to get local peoples opinions about the area at restaurants/supermarkets/shops.
- Do try out public transport to get a feel for the main way of getting around.
- Make a list of things that are important to you and your family before you visit so that you can consider them while you explore. Nothing worse than moving into a place and finding out that something you consider to be important like where the nearest chemist is, isn't very near.
- Keep an pen and small pad on you, make notes and comments about things as you travel so that you can discuss them in peace at home together with your partner.
- If anything else it's a big change of pace for most people, my other half when we considered a move to London flat out said no way ever after a visit to recce the place.

I did this all again when I made the big move to where I live now a couple of years ago and it seriously helped me avoid a commute, that I would never have lasted enduring it every day and in one case moving to an area I'd never want to live in, no matter how broke I ended up. In the end, I now live somewhere I like and that is not too much of a commute to work so that I can enjoy time at home rather than on my own in the car.


You are a star! Great advice :)
#32
Aiden1512
Transformers
OP, can you answer these questions please:

1. How many bedrooms do you want?
2. What's the maximum time you want to spend commuting to work each way?

I will need a minimum of 2 bedrooms, Max 3. Also i wouldn't mind spending up to around say 70-80 minutes each way to work. That's the time frame I'm used to doing anyway
OP, taking your budget into account, you will have to find houses towards the edge of London then, as they are cheaper.

Boroughs like: Havering, Bexley, Barking & Dagenham, Hounslow etc. See the map below:

http://www.londonparents.net/images/maplondonboroughs3.gif

Greenwich is pushing it though, nevertheless pretty much anywhere you go in London you will be able to get to Central London within 70-80 mins like you want. Most likely via the TfL network, using the tube. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

HTH. :)
1 Like #33
Transformers
Aiden1512
Transformers
OP, can you answer these questions please:

1. How many bedrooms do you want?
2. What's the maximum time you want to spend commuting to work each way?

I will need a minimum of 2 bedrooms, Max 3. Also i wouldn't mind spending up to around say 70-80 minutes each way to work. That's the time frame I'm used to doing anyway
OP, taking your budget into account, you will have to find houses towards the edge of London then, as they are cheaper.

Boroughs like: Havering, Bexley, Barking & Dagenham, Hounslow etc. See the map below:

http://www.londonparents.net/images/maplondonboroughs3.gif

Greenwich is pushing it though, nevertheless pretty much anywhere you go in London you will be able to get to Central London within 70-80 mins like you want. Most likely via the TfL network, using the tube. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

HTH. :)

Thats great, Thanks. Like i said though my work is based in Greenwich not the actual central. I have no need to go into centra London. I've checked prices & crime rates etc in Bexley and it seems pretty good

Edited By: Aiden1512 on Jul 16, 2014 23:51
#34
I currently live in Bexley and its a nice area to raise kids. I used to live in Sydenham and got fed up with people being stabbed/shot and beaten bloody outside my flat. I moved out here 9 years ago and it was the best move I ever made.
#35
If I was you I'd look at houses in Bromley/Bexley. Outskirts of London so cheaper, but still fast commute times to Greenwich and some nice parts in each area.
#36
Aiden1512
Transformers
Aiden1512
Transformers
OP, can you answer these questions please:

1. How many bedrooms do you want?
2. What's the maximum time you want to spend commuting to work each way?

I will need a minimum of 2 bedrooms, Max 3. Also i wouldn't mind spending up to around say 70-80 minutes each way to work. That's the time frame I'm used to doing anyway
OP, taking your budget into account, you will have to find houses towards the edge of London then, as they are cheaper.

Boroughs like: Havering, Bexley, Barking & Dagenham, Hounslow etc. See the map below:

http://www.londonparents.net/images/maplondonboroughs3.gif

Greenwich is pushing it though, nevertheless pretty much anywhere you go in London you will be able to get to Central London within 70-80 mins like you want. Most likely via the TfL network, using the tube. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

HTH. :)

Thats great, Thanks. Like i said though my work is based in Greenwich not the actual central. I have no need to go into centra London. I've checked prices & crime rates etc in Bexley and it seems pretty good
Great stuff, and sorry I missed the bit about you not working in 'Central London'. :)

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