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India train crash: 100 killed in derailment near Kanpur Very sad news from India, lets hope they manage to get through to those still trapped soon. The death toll following the derailment of a t… Read More
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6m, 6d agoPosted 6 months, 6 days ago
India train crash: 100 killed in derailment near Kanpur

Very sad news from India, lets hope they manage to get through to those still trapped soon.

The death toll following the derailment of a train in India's northern Uttar Pradesh state has now passed 100, with more than 150 injured, police say.
Fourteen carriages of the Indore-Patna Express derailed just after 03:00 local time on Sunday (21:30 GMT Saturday) near the city of Kanpur.
Rescuers are still trying to reach the injured and recover the dead from the twisted carriages.
The cause of the crash near the village of Pukhrayan is not yet known.
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No big deal in India. No value of human life in the worlds largest population. Due to overpopulation, poverty and corruption these things happen every day over there. Some people are so rich. While most are so poor with no safety net.
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sam_of_london
No big deal in India. No value of human life in the worlds largest population. Due to overpopulation, poverty and corruption these things happen every day over there. Some people are so rich. While most are so poor with no safety net.

Accidental like.
Yeah these countries deserve it for being poor , at least we're ok here , we have money and value life because that money gives us the option to value life.
#4
Joey Bloggsy
sam_of_london
No big deal in India. No value of human life in the worlds largest population. Due to overpopulation, poverty and corruption these things happen every day over there. Some people are so rich. While most are so poor with no safety net.
Accidental like.
Yeah these countries deserve it for being poor , at least we're ok here , we have money and value life because that money gives us the option to value life.
oh dont pretend that there arent rich people in India, plenty of billionaires, heard of the Ambanis, Mittals for instance?
#5
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
sam_of_london
No big deal in India. No value of human life in the worlds largest population. Due to overpopulation, poverty and corruption these things happen every day over there. Some people are so rich. While most are so poor with no safety net.
Accidental like.
Yeah these countries deserve it for being poor , at least we're ok here , we have money and value life because that money gives us the option to value life.
oh dont pretend that there arent rich people in India, plenty of billionaires, heard of the Ambanis, Mittals for instance?

I don't get your point? I'm not saying there aren't billionaires but what's ithat got to do with them when it comes to rail safety and value placed on life.

Edit, when I said 'we' I'm obviously talking about the overall structure that is run by the governments for us because we have the money coming in from taxes and other stuff and with that money we are able to spend it on safety.
Having said that it's not like we never have accidents and train derailments.


Edited By: Joey Bloggsy on Nov 20, 2016 12:48: .
#6
Joey Bloggsy
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
sam_of_london
No big deal in India. No value of human life in the worlds largest population. Due to overpopulation, poverty and corruption these things happen every day over there. Some people are so rich. While most are so poor with no safety net.
Accidental like.
Yeah these countries deserve it for being poor , at least we're ok here , we have money and value life because that money gives us the option to value life.
oh dont pretend that there arent rich people in India, plenty of billionaires, heard of the Ambanis, Mittals for instance?
I don't get your point? I'm not saying there aren't billionaires but what's ithat got to do with them when it comes to rail safety and value placed on life.
You arent trying to understand.
#7
poor peeps, we must count ourselves lucky with our western standards, india will get there in the end hopefully.

edit. we can and do make mistakes too.

Edited By: CookinBat on Nov 20, 2016 12:22
#8
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
sam_of_london
No big deal in India. No value of human life in the worlds largest population. Due to overpopulation, poverty and corruption these things happen every day over there. Some people are so rich. While most are so poor with no safety net.
Accidental like.
Yeah these countries deserve it for being poor , at least we're ok here , we have money and value life because that money gives us the option to value life.
oh dont pretend that there arent rich people in India, plenty of billionaires, heard of the Ambanis, Mittals for instance?
I don't get your point? I'm not saying there aren't billionaires but what's ithat got to do with them when it comes to rail safety and value placed on life.
You arent trying to understand.

I am and I think I know what you're trying to say but it doesn't equate.
#9
Joey Bloggsy
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
sam_of_london
No big deal in India. No value of human life in the worlds largest population. Due to overpopulation, poverty and corruption these things happen every day over there. Some people are so rich. While most are so poor with no safety net.
Accidental like.
Yeah these countries deserve it for being poor , at least we're ok here , we have money and value life because that money gives us the option to value life.
oh dont pretend that there arent rich people in India, plenty of billionaires, heard of the Ambanis, Mittals for instance?
I don't get your point? I'm not saying there aren't billionaires but what's ithat got to do with them when it comes to rail safety and value placed on life.
You arent trying to understand.
I am and I think I know what you're trying to say but it doesn't equate.
it makes sense, you just don't like the facts.
#10
All getting very defensive about poverty in India to somehow justify this sad tragedy, people could reflect on the victims - pathetic excuses being given here.
#11
What are the facts?
And it's not about poverty in India , it's about what was said about not valuing life and money comes into it because of that.
Still think it's pathetic ?
#12
238,562 died in road traffic accidents in 2013. Shudder to think how many will have died in 2016 oO
#13
chocci
238,562 died in road traffic accidents in 2013. Shudder to think how many will have died in 2016 oO
very current, what happened in 2011.
#14
Joey Bloggsy
What are the facts?
And it's not about poverty in India , it's about what was said about not valuing life and money comes into it because of that.
Still think it's pathetic ?
1. India is not poor, lots of billionaires and millionaires in India.
2. Life is valued by the companies, government and authorities by implementing health and safety controls.
3. Either way this is a tragic accident, blame hasnt been apportioned but 100 people dying is simply a tragedy at this stage.
#15
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
What are the facts?
And it's not about poverty in India , it's about what was said about not valuing life and money comes into it because of that.
Still think it's pathetic ?
1. India is not poor, lots of billionaires and millionaires in India.
2. Life is valued by the companies, government and authorities by implementing health and safety controls.
3. Either way this is a tragic accident, blame hasnt been apportioned but 100 people dying is simply a tragedy at this stage.

1. They are poor if you look at the overall wealth of individual or if you like you can take all the money in India and distribute it evenly - it will be a lot les then it is here.
2. Life is valued by all with the main responsibility is put on the government of the time to do what they can.
3. I agree this is a tragedy and very sad indeed but I take offence to the suggestion that they don't care about life.
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Joey Bloggsy
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
sam_of_london
No big deal in India. No value of human life in the worlds largest population. Due to overpopulation, poverty and corruption these things happen every day over there. Some people are so rich. While most are so poor with no safety net.
Accidental like.
Yeah these countries deserve it for being poor , at least we're ok here , we have money and value life because that money gives us the option to value life.
oh dont pretend that there arent rich people in India, plenty of billionaires, heard of the Ambanis, Mittals for instance?
I don't get your point? I'm not saying there aren't billionaires but what's ithat got to do with them when it comes to rail safety and value placed on life.
Edit, when I said 'we' I'm obviously talking about the overall structure that is run by the governments for us because they have the money coming in from taxes and other stuff and with that money they are able to spen it on safety.
Having said that it's not like we never have accidents and train derailments.


They are a nuke nation and member of the space race, I understand that its a massive country and modernisation may not be possible to the standards of the 21st century due to the terrain dragging power lines up mountains and expecting computer controlled signalling to work during a monsoon plus the issues of matching up the infrastructure at the boarders.

But you'd think the public might demand change at least stop people riding on the roof or put some seat belts up there but then perhaps they fear price increases many people need the indian railway to live they are poor and would starve without access to it.

A final point its all very well us telling them to modernise but we dont know the cause of the crash yet, we just had a very modern tram accident imagine how many would have died in that if our trams were packed like indias trains.
1 Like #17
Joey Bloggsy
davewave
Joey Bloggsy
What are the facts?
And it's not about poverty in India , it's about what was said about not valuing life and money comes into it because of that.
Still think it's pathetic ?
1. India is not poor, lots of billionaires and millionaires in India.
2. Life is valued by the companies, government and authorities by implementing health and safety controls.
3. Either way this is a tragic accident, blame hasnt been apportioned but 100 people dying is simply a tragedy at this stage.
1. They are poor if you look at the overall wealth of individual or if you like you can take all the money in India and distribute it evenly - it will be a lot les then it is here.
2. Life is valued by all with the main responsibility is put on the government of the time to do what they can.
3. I agree this is a tragedy and very sad indeed but I take offence to the suggestion that they don't care about life.
With the number of accidents and the lack of healthcare - the authorities have a disregard for accidents. I have worked in India and they could certainly do a lot more to look after their transport network. Either way its simply a human tragedy, there are no facts yet on why this happened.
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davewave
... I have worked in India and they could certainly do a lot more to look after their transport network. Either way its simply a human tragedy, there are no facts yet on why this happened.

I've spent a fair bit of time there too & the infrastructure is crumbling despite all the billionaires,
bet you 100 Rupees it was shoddy maintenance of the track, nothing to do with the train itself
1 Like #19
I feel for the people who have lost their loved ones and my sincere condolences.

I'm sorry and I don't mean to go on about this on a tragic incident such as this but I don't understand the link with billionaires and railway maintenance .
Most countries have billionaires and I'm not sure how much they contribute to the countries health and safety , be the country rich or poor.

Going on to a poor example - we have loads of billionaires and yet there are people going to food banks etc etc and we could certainly do more to make our railways safer but to think the billionaires will do this is a non runner.
#20
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Railways

The rail network in India is immense and the population is huge! Running something on that scale is bound to suffer from cut backs, human error, vandalism or theft of machinery etc, corruption and as we all have seen, the overcrowding of passengers.

Terrible tragedy but certainly won't be the last.
banned#21
#22
YouDontWantToKnow

YouDontWantToKnow
Well argued. A poor country, given the stats. But one which considers itself a superpower, likes to travel into space and has some of the richest people in the world.
banned 1 Like #23
what makes me worried today for the victims is India's currency. last week a lady died because the family couldn't exchange the cancelled the 500 and the 1000 notes for the life saving operation, as the hospital refused them .
I wonder what will people do for their treatment, I really hope the selfish government will give free treatments to them otherwise more deaths will be on rise.
#24
sofiasar
what makes me worried today for the victims is India's currency. last week a lady died because the family couldn't exchange the cancelled the 500 and the 1000 notes for the life saving operation, as the hospital refused them .
I wonder what will people do for their treatment, I really hope the selfish government will give free treatments to them otherwise more deaths will be on rise.


what an unusual way to recount the story, almosts sounds like your being sarcastic?
#25
sofiasar
what makes me worried today for the victims is India's currency. last week a lady died because the family couldn't exchange the cancelled the 500 and the 1000 notes for the life saving operation, as the hospital refused them .
I wonder what will people do for their treatment, I really hope the selfish government will give free treatments to them otherwise more deaths will be on rise.


i was talking to someone from India,
he was saying its only not accepted if you can't account for it to stop corruption.
if you can show where its from its fine, he thought it was a good idea.
#26
shadey12
sofiasar
what makes me worried today for the victims is India's currency. last week a lady died because the family couldn't exchange the cancelled the 500 and the 1000 notes for the life saving operation, as the hospital refused them .
I wonder what will people do for their treatment, I really hope the selfish government will give free treatments to them otherwise more deaths will be on rise.


i was talking to someone from India,
he was saying its only not accepted if you can't account for it to stop corruption.
if you can show where its from its fine, he thought it was a good idea.


you have to change money at the banks who are constantly running our of the valid notes, massive queues and closed banks.
#27
At least 120 people are said to have have been killed and at least 200 more injured after a train derailed near the city of Kanpur in northern India.

Hundreds of people were trapped after 14 carriages of the express train, travelling between Patna and Indore, crumpled into one another as they came off the tracks on Sunday. The train derailed near the village of Purwa, about 40 miles (65km) from Kanpur.

The crash occurred at about 3am when the majority of passengers were asleep. Most of the victims were in two carriages near the engine that overturned.

“The death toll has reached 120. At least 200 others are injured,” Zaki Ahmad, the police inspector general of Kanpur zone, told the Agence France-Presse news agency.

Ruby Gupta, who was travelling to the city of Azamgarh for her wedding, searched the wreckage for her father.
#28
davewave
shadey12
sofiasar
what makes me worried today for the victims is India's currency. last week a lady died because the family couldn't exchange the cancelled the 500 and the 1000 notes for the life saving operation, as the hospital refused them .
I wonder what will people do for their treatment, I really hope the selfish government will give free treatments to them otherwise more deaths will be on rise.


i was talking to someone from India,
he was saying its only not accepted if you can't account for it to stop corruption.
if you can show where its from its fine, he thought it was a good idea.


you have to change money at the banks who are constantly running our of the valid notes, massive queues and closed banks.


i haven't looked into it,
only going on what he told me,
but I suppose the logistics of it are a bit of a nightmare, if that's the case.
#29
Anybody else not bothered?
1 Like #30
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.
#31
Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.

Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.

Today 447 people died of cancer in the UK, news story anywhere?

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics
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Graham1979
Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.
Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.
Today 447 people died of cancer in the UK, news story anywhere?http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics
True. But that happened yesterday, the day before, the day before that and... You can't really compare expected death, sad though it is, with the totally unexpected ending of 120 lives. If you're not bothered, just keep it to yourself rather than exposing your callousness.
#33
Graham1979
Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.
Today 447 people died of cancer in the UK, news story anywhere?
Don't confuse statistics with news stories.
If over a 100 people die in a crash of any kind anywhere in the world it's relatively rare so not just a daily statistic like how many people die from heart disease etc.
Do you get the first distinction?
And secondly with cancer you tend to get weeks, months or even years before you die so you have time to prepare yourself and say your goodbyes whereas you don't if you die instantly in a crash.
They are not comparable but then again didn't the Tin Man lack a brain and a heart?
Or are you saying they are 'only Indians' so it doesn't really matter?
2 Likes #34
Error440

But you'd think the public might demand change at least stop people riding on the roof

Whenever I see this I can't decide whether it's greed or stupidity.
#35
Agharta
Graham1979
Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.
Today 447 people died of cancer in the UK, news story anywhere?
Don't confuse statistics with news stories.
If over a 100 people die in a crash of any kind anywhere in the world it's relatively rare so not just a daily statistic like how many people die from heart disease etc.
Do you get the first distinction?
And secondly with cancer you tend to get weeks, months or even years before you die so you have time to prepare yourself and say your goodbyes whereas you don't if you die instantly in a crash.
They are not comparable but then again didn't the Tin Man lack a brain and a heart?
Or are you saying they are 'only Indians' so it doesn't really matter?

Friend of the family got 3 weeks, black stool > doctors> diagnosis > death

Just saying she didnt get time to sort anything out.
#36
deeky
Error440

But you'd think the public might demand change at least stop people riding on the roof
Whenever I see this I can't decide whether it's greed or stupidity.

Neither if you ever watch those tv shows about indian rail travel its desperation.
#37
Error440
Agharta
Graham1979
Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.
Today 447 people died of cancer in the UK, news story anywhere?
Don't confuse statistics with news stories.
If over a 100 people die in a crash of any kind anywhere in the world it's relatively rare so not just a daily statistic like how many people die from heart disease etc.
Do you get the first distinction?
And secondly with cancer you tend to get weeks, months or even years before you die so you have time to prepare yourself and say your goodbyes whereas you don't if you die instantly in a crash.
They are not comparable but then again didn't the Tin Man lack a brain and a heart?
Or are you saying they are 'only Indians' so it doesn't really matter?
Friend of the family got 3 weeks, black stool > doctors> diagnosis > death
Just saying she didnt get time to sort anything out.
3 Weeks is a long time compared to 3 seconds and they were in the minority if they had less than a month to live.
#38
Error440
Agharta
Graham1979
Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.
Today 447 people died of cancer in the UK, news story anywhere?
Don't confuse statistics with news stories.
If over a 100 people die in a crash of any kind anywhere in the world it's relatively rare so not just a daily statistic like how many people die from heart disease etc.
Do you get the first distinction?
And secondly with cancer you tend to get weeks, months or even years before you die so you have time to prepare yourself and say your goodbyes whereas you don't if you die instantly in a crash.
They are not comparable but then again didn't the Tin Man lack a brain and a heart?
Or are you saying they are 'only Indians' so it doesn't really matter?
Friend of the family got 3 weeks, black stool > doctors> diagnosis > death
Just saying she didnt get time to sort anything out.
That is very sad. I knew someone who was diagnosed with cancer and died in less than a week. When it happens, it leaves everyone who knew them numb. It is hard to take but it's still not the same as 120 people losing their lives at one time to something as random as a train crash.
#39
India is the one country that I've been to where I didn't feel safe in certain ways due to the way people drive and act.
Not that the road deaths are that much worse than in Thailand but I only used road vehicles in Bangkok not the rest of the country.
My taxi driver was pulled over for dangerous driving and fined on the way to the airport in India.
As for Indian trains, then due to over-crowding if there's a serious crash then of course there will be more fatalities than in the UK where we don't yet allow passengers on the roof; I'm sure Richard Branson will be hoping to change this when we leave the EU.
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Graham1979
Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.

Agharta
Graham1979
Anybody else not bothered?
Yeah, The Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz.

Today 447 people died of cancer in the UK, news story anywhere?

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics


Put 'Britain First' eh?

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