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Transferring data from one hd to another ... complete image

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I bought the 320gb hard drive and need to get everything as it was on my 60gb onto the new one. I have tried Acronis and although the image was created and restored successfully (using the Acronis … Read More
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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
I bought the 320gb hard drive and need to get everything as it was on my 60gb onto the new one.

I have tried Acronis and although the image was created and restored successfully (using the Acronis boot cd for restore), when I fire up the computer, theres a blank screen.

Got a feeling my boot record etc did not get copied over

so my questions

1) Is there anything I can do to make the new hd work right now ?
2) If not, what software are there out there that will accomplish this task for me (cloning properly, easily )

Thanks !
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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
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#1
I'm surprised Acronis didn't work as I find it's normally a reasonable foolproof way of transferring data between two drives. I'd try doing a repair install on the new drive as this should resolve any boot records without touching your data or intalled programs.

John
#2
Thansk John.

so the boot records should get copied over in that ?

I must say, I chose the option to BACKUP rather than CLONE. Could this be an issue or should it be OK with backup ?
#3
I think backup should be fine as long as it's a complete image you took, cloning from memory is when both drives are connected and you're mirroring the data to the second drive without any image file.

A Windows repair install is meant to basically replace any system files which are missing or corrupt, I've seen it resolve issues where after an image has been restored the drive hasn't been bootable and definitely worth a shot.

John
#4
aha! ok. I'll give that a go.
Actually, I also want to make sure my windows key is properly transferred, includin any boot options. It's an ex-company machine which I bought off them so I wont get any support if I use a different windows version (I think)
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Cyrus
Thansk John.

so the boot records should get copied over in that ?

I must say, I chose the option to BACKUP rather than CLONE. Could this be an issue or should it be OK with backup ?


If you did a backup from your 60Gb to your 320Gb then all you are doing is creating a BACKUP file (in acronis format) on the 320Gb drive.

If you select Clone then it should do a full bit by bit copy of everythng on the 60Gb drive to the 320Gb drive.

Once you have everythng on the 320Gb drive then make sure you set that as the main boot drive.

If this is a dekstop PC then it may be worth using both the 60Gb and 320Gb in the machine at the same time.

Have the 60Gb as your "Windows" drive and the 320Gb as your personal data drive.

Then use Acronis to create a backup of your Windows drive and keep that on the 320Gb drive.

Then if your Windows on the C drive becomes unusable for any reason you can always use the backup of Windows on the D drive to "restore" a new version of Windows onto the C drive.

I do this and can "reinstall" Windows in about 10 minutes.
#6
but how do I connect up two hd's to a lappy without getting a caddy for the outside one ? There must be a way ?
#7
I have two laptops, so I can put a hd into each but can i conenct these up ??
#8
Cyrus
but how do I connect up two hd's to a lappy without getting a caddy for the outside one ? There must be a way ?


The easiest way is to get an external caddy and put the 320Gb drive in that.

SOME laptops that have removable DVD Drives do have a bay that you can put in its place that can hold a hard drive, and that way you can have 2 hard drives in the laptop at the same time.

I used to have an IBM laptop that had this, called the Ultrabay, but not sure if all laptops offer this option.

Here is a picture of the Ultrabay (on the left) with a hard disk in it, and the removable DVD drive on the right.

http://www.bauni.de/T42p/bilder/ultrabay_slim.jpg

You could plug one or the other in the laptop.
#9
Cyrus
I have two laptops, so I can put a hd into each but can i conenct these up ??


If you did that the second laptop drive would be counted as a network drive.

If you then boot up Acronis from the DVD on the one laptop it would need the networking software to be able to "see" the second hard drive.

I believe Acronis can backup to a network drive, but never done it so not sure how it works.

Not sure if Acronis has the right technology in it to connect to a second laptop a "write" to the hard drive in that.
#10
checked the Dell and Fujitsu siemens, although they both have removable DVD drives, the connections seem to be different ... doh!!
#11
Norton GHost is good or you could create a mirrored RAID drive array which will clone the HDD completely.
#12
guilbert53;4379060
If you did a backup from your 60Gb to your 320Gb then all you are doing is creating a BACKUP file (in acronis format) on the 320Gb drive.


That's not how I read it, the person said they imaged it and then restored the data back using a restore CD which should work fine:

I have tried Acronis and although the image was created and restored successfully (using the Acronis boot cd for restore),


Cyrus - you don't have to clone the disks directly, backing up the data and then restoring it to another also works otherwise you'd be stuffed if a drive failed on you otherwise you wouldn't be able to restore an image to any replacement drive.

John
#13
QUOTE=Johnmcl7;4379032]I think backup should be fine as long as it's a complete image you took, cloning from memory is when both drives are connected and you're mirroring the data to the second drive without any image file.


John[/QUOTE]

Not true. A clone is an exact working copy of the original disc. If you want to run and boot from this disc, then a clone is what you need to do as the OS will not run from an image.
#14
I intend on trying johns method of repairing windows but the CLONE option does state it will make the hd botoable, whereas the backup options doesnt say anything like that.

I think a backup is for replacing contents on same hd and cloning is for a diff hard drive.

I thought Acronis T.I was better than Norton Ghost ?
#15
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Johnmcl7;4379032
I think backup should be fine as long as it's a complete image you took, cloning from memory is when both drives are connected and you're mirroring the data to the second drive without any image file.


John


Not true. A clone is an exact working copy of the original disc. If you want to run and boot from this disc, then a clone is what you need to do as the OS will not run from an image.


The image is also an exact working copy of the disk - I've imaged and restored machines hundreds of times (probably thousands thinking about it as that's how I do new builds at work) to a bootable state without cloning them - that's one of the main reasons for taking the image. As I said, if cloning was the only way to get a drive working then you'd be screwed if your drive failed because according to you restoring your backup image to a new drive won't work. In some cases particularly with certain RAID arrays there's been some hiccups restoring an image from a different type however a repair install has resolved it without issue.

John
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Cyrus;4379627
I intend on trying johns method of repairing windows but the CLONE option does state it will make the hd botoable, whereas the backup options doesnt say anything like that.

I think a backup is for replacing contents on same hd and cloning is for a diff hard drive.

I thought Acronis T.I was better than Norton Ghost ?


Imaging is also used for working with a different hard drive, that way you can take an image of your hard drive and if that drive physically fails you can then restore your image back to a new hard drive. I've had exactly the same problem as you when cloning a drive as well.

Personally I prefer Acronis to Norton Ghost, I find it more user friendly, works well and has the best technical support I've come across but people's preferences vary.

John
#17
Thanks John. Rep++
If youve done it that many times, you obviously know what you are talking about. Not to say the others dont but maybe theres a bit of confusion

will repair windows and see what happens. nothing to lose!
#18
I repeat an OS cannot run from an image so you don't know exactly what your talking about, nor have you done it thousands of times because it would not work.
You will have used the image to return to a previous state using the existing MBR. The image can only be read using the software that created it and will not boot up in itself. Only a clone can do that.
#19
Done this loads of times but useing Paragon Drive Copy .Heard of Acronis but never used it .I suspect the prinsciple's the same .You shouldn't have any problems if you do a full image to the 2nd drive.
I would connect the 2nd drive as slave in the PC , run Paragon . It makes a perfect image from master to slave [C:\ to D:\].Take out the master , change over the jumper on the salve to master and re-connect the new master on IDE 1 .It normally boots up as normal .
#20
Johnmcl7
That's not how I read it, the person said they imaged it and then restored the data back using a restore CD which should work fine:


If he only has TWO hard disks then if he did a backup from DISK 1 to DISK 2 then he can only do a restore BACK to disk 1, so he will be back where he started.

Johnmcl7

Cyrus - you don't have to clone the disks directly, backing up the data and then restoring it to another also works otherwise you'd be stuffed if a drive failed on you otherwise you wouldn't be able to restore an image to any replacement drive.
John


To do this you need THREE disks. Backup data from Disk 1 to Disk 2, then restore it to disk 3.

Cloning directly from Disk 1 to Disk 2 is by far the better solution (although if you have 3 disks then back up works just as well)
#21
Lets try and put this in plain English as it is getting very confusing.

You have a 60Gb drive and a 320Gb drive. You want the 320Gb to contain exactly what is currently on the 60Gb drive.

So you need to do a CLONE. A clone will copy EXACTLY what is on the 60Gb drive to the 320Gb drive, and allow you to BOOT from the 320Gb drive.

There are a number of products that can do this, including Acronis True Image, Paragon Drive Copy and Norton Ghost (and others). They all work slightly differently, but in basic terms do exactly the same thing.

Products like Acronis and Ghost (not sure about Paragon) can also do BACKUPS (COPIES) of disks.

This is where a COPY of a complete disk is placed in one large compressed file on to a second hard disk (the one large compressed file can be split into smaller chunks if you wish).

This file is NOT bootable, but it can be used to rebuild a version of Windows onto a hard disk where windows has perhaps failed, or on to a NEW hard disk which has never had anything on it.

Either a CLONE or a COPY can be used to create a copy of your Windows hard disk.

However a CLONE only requires TWO hard disks (the "master" one and the clone copy) , whereas in your case a COPY would require THREE (the "master" disk, the disk holding the "copy", and the "new" disk).
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#22
Thanks guys.

Ok so it seems I need to do a clone then (because repairing windows didnt work unfortunately).

I dont have a 3rd disk.
How can I connected 2nd drive to laptop as slave ? These are 2.5" drives we are talking about. Is it possible to slave it without a caddy ?
#23
059
I repeat an OS cannot run from an image so you don't know exactly what your talking about, nor have you done it thousands of times because it would not work.
You will have used the image to return to a previous state using the existing MBR. The image can only be read using the software that created it and will not boot up in itself. Only a clone can do that.


No, I have done it thousands of times it's just you're not actually reading what I typed and just typing nonsense in response - I said I restored the image to the new hard drive, of course it won't work from booting the image file itself.

John
#24
Cyrus
Thanks guys.

Ok so it seems I need to do a clone then (because repairing windows didnt work unfortunately).

I dont have a 3rd disk.
How can I connected 2nd drive to laptop as slave ? These are 2.5" drives we are talking about. Is it possible to slave it without a caddy ?


What did you mean when you said you restored the image using a boot cd?

John
#25
Johnmcl7;4382883
What did you mean when you said you restored the image using a boot cd?

John


This is what I did:-

1) Use Acronis to make a backup of my whole 60gb HD onto an external usb drive
2) Create a boot disk via Acronis
3) Put in new hd, run Acronis boot disk and connected the external usb drive.
4) Found backup file on drive and restored it.

This didnt work so I put a windows disc in and repaired the installation but this did not work either.
#26
One thing to consider.

Are you sure your laptop supports a 320Gb hard drive.

I know some laptops a few years ago did not support a hard drive that big.
#27
Cyrus
This is what I did:-

1) Use Acronis to make a backup of my whole 60gb HD onto an external usb drive
2) Create a boot disk via Acronis
3) Put in new hd, run Acronis boot disk and connected the external usb drive.
4) Found backup file on drive and restored it.

This didnt work so I put a windows disc in and repaired the installation but this did not work either.


As far as I can see this should have worked.

Only "problem" may be the 320Gb drive being too large (see my other append)
#28
guilbert53;4383830
One thing to consider.

Are you sure your laptop supports a 320Gb hard drive.

I know some laptops a few years ago did not support a hard drive that big.


Hard drive is compatible with my machine, 100% checked all over the net.

One thing, do I need to format my hd before restoring backup? I took it out of sealed packaing and didnt format it at all.
#29
Cyrus
One thing, do I need to format my hd before restoring backup? I took it out of sealed packaing and didnt format it at all.


No I dont think so, Acronis will handle the formatting.

Because the drive to be backed up can be formatted Fat32, NTFS etc then Acronis makes a note of the format type of the drive it is backing up and uses the same format type when doing the restore.
#30
ah ok.

Well in that case, i better try the process again and see what happens

really appreciate your help guys !
#31
guys

once i boot up using windows disc, i can get into recovery console but NOT to recovery via the windows installation screen with the blue background. does anyone know why ?

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